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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 4/22/2009 8:53:52 AM   
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What is really sad is that we value money and objects so much more than a human life. Thieves often get much harsher sentencing than Murderers.

I disagree HandSolo, sentencing is not a deterrent. Just as the death penalty is not a deterrent to rape and murder. If it were we wouldn't have the most over crowded prison system in the world.

While I do realize that there are many who are incapable of being rehabilitated I do wonder why some form of rehabilitation isn't the first option with young offenders in addition to sentencing. Lets face it, its easier to lock them up than to take the time and money to try and change perception and learned behaviors. Many will call that coddling criminals. I call it a less expensive(in the long run) alternative to prison big business.
And no I am not suggesting that anyone who commits a crime not suffer consequences.

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Sentences are not an effective deterrant to crimes and criminals. I agree with you on that (LOL, as if I'm the arbiter of truth, or that makes any difference). But it isn't violent offenders that are clogging and overcrowding our prisons. It is nonviolent drug offenders. That gets to be a large and thread hijacking topic on its own, so I'll refrain from further comment here.

And thank you WyldHrt for providing a knowledgeable insiders view of a counter to the "blame the victim" responses.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 3:58:11 AM   
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For all of you feeling sorry for this kind of pond scum.. they know what they're getting into when they initiate these frauds.  $47k may not be much for you but it might have been an entire life savings for her.  If they want to reduce their sentence, there could be an option to FULLY REPAY the victim IN CASH.  If they can't?  Tough fucking shit.  I hope they end up in the rottenest cesspool of a prison.  Possible alternative remedy is the amount of time served is based on the percentage of scammed cash returned OFFICIALLY

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 4:57:26 AM   
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So what's the difference between what this guy did and an investor who steels millions of dollars from people who trust them and gives them their money to invest?

I think 19 years is fine. This guy perpetuated a fraud on someone and under false pretenses took money from someone saying that he would be using it for one thing and instead used it for personal gain. This woman gave this man money with the understanding he would use it for a certain purpose OF WHICH she would benefit from -- i.e., eventual meeting and a relationship with this man. He used that understanding of hers to obtain funds with no intention of ever doing with her money what he stated he would.

I know its hard for those who are all for criminals being free and getting slap on the wrists. But exactly how is this guy different from Bernie Madoff? It may not have been on the same scale but he did in fact defraud an "investor" out of thousands of dollars and used that money for personal gain. Hell he even used it the same way Madoff did bought land and cars.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 6:54:41 AM   
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People that revive dead threads should get the crap beaten out of them. Just sayin'  .

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 7:53:26 AM   
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Ugh, i didn't realize -- good point.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 11:38:48 AM   
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150% agreed, Steel. Some here know that I spent a few years with a group that fights internet scams and counsels victims. One thing I cannot stand is the "blame the victim" mentality about the victims of internet scams, particularly love scams . Yes, most of us that are experienced with dating sites or are internet savvy can spot these scammers easily, but that is because we know the signs. Many people, particularly those new to the internet, have never even heard of 419 or Nigerian scammers. Take the victim in this case, for example. She's 56 years old and may or may not be very experienced in using the internet (I'm guessing the latter). She was lonely, so she joined a dating site looking for a mate, and hooked a leech who would have taken her very last penny had he not been caught. Since when is being lonely and more than a little naive a crime?

On a personal note, I once had the joy of informing a very poor single mother working 2 jobs to make ends meet that the cheque she had cashed for her "financee" was fake, putting her thousands of dollars in debt to her bank; money that she had no hope of being able to repay. Yeah, I really had the urge to call her stupid and tell her that she deserved to be scammed while I listened to her cry.   It was almost as much fun as telling the unemployed man who was counting on his "lotto win" to pay for his terminally ill son's medical expenses that he had sent every penny he had to a scammer. That was a real laugh riot. I could go on (and on), but I don't see the need. These are real people who were real victims, folks, and their stories are far from uncommon. I will say that I have also spoken to victims that are senile, mentally ill, physically ill, and the family members of people so caught up in these scams that they won't listen to their own children/ siblings/ parents. I have seen far too many ruined lives to place the blame anywhere but where it belongs.

That said, for those of you who want to blame the victim, here is some food for thought: Do you really think that these victims exist in a vacuum? If you cannot feel sympathy for the victim, maybe you can feel some for the family when their lives become "collateral damage", when there is no money for rent, food, or clothing because some scammer just bought himself a new house or car. Many modern 419s, love scams in particular, tend to involve their unwitting victims in illegal activities that can and have lead to the victim facing criminal charges. What happens to the family then? Did the kids deserve it, too?

These scammers can nearly smell desperation, and some of them are very good at what they do. In the case of love scammers, they will often spend months building a "relationship" with their victims before ever asking for a penny. They will send cards, gifts, and flowers (paid for with phished CC info) to their victims to appear more "real". There are phone calls, sometimes daily, with the scammer using a throwaway cell (also paid for with phished CC info), and pictures ripped from any unprotected site on the net. The good ones plunder family websites, not those featuring models. To their victims, they look like average people just looking for a match. Some of them even send copies of driver's licenses they have gotten from other victims. Daily contact on YIM is also very common, keeping the victim feeling like the relationship is real, and most who have "gotten to know" someone online and via phone know how real such a "relationship" can feel.

As an aside, for those who think most of the scammers who take people for money are the same as the average goofball with the unreal profile whose broken english cmail they delete, they aren't. Most of those are independents looking to get in on what they see as a gravy train. The good ones use well written scripts for the first few mails, then pass the victim up the chain (yes, they work in gangs) to a more talented and articulate scammer. Clue by Four: We're talking about a multimillion dollar per year "industry" folks, and one that involves cheque fraud, stolen CC info, receiving stolen goods, false documents, and many other things that require an extensive network to pull off.
Did you really think it was just some poor, starving guys pecking away at a keyboard? Bless your heart.

As to the sentence the scammer in the OP got, it's the legal equivalent of a publicity stunt. Law enforcement in Nigeria is hopelessly corrupt, and has come under attack repeatedly for failing to enforce the law as regards internet scammers. The result is the occasional "raid" and severe (very public) prosecution. Personally, I will be shocked if he serves 19 months before his Oga pays a bribe and he is back in the internet cafe, scamming some other lady out of her life's savings. 

Welcome to the Internet.


Wyld is 100% correct. To say nothing of the fact that *some* scams are pulled off convincingly, at least to some degree, the person being screwed over can't really be blamed. He or she may, as Wyld said, have many different problems that make the person more receptive to believing the scammer. Or they could just be lonely and desperate. While I agree with angel as well, I would like to point out that while Bernie Madoff may have screwed over investors, that was just 'business.' The lonely hearts scammers are far worse. They don't just take a persons money, they play on their emotions as well, and frequently play on those who are lonely and insecure. Its not the same as screwing over a business partner or investor. In short, the scammer in this case knew exactly what he was doing and knew the risks of getting caught. He deserves every day in that jail. Hopefully paired with a 400lb black gang member named 'cupcake' who will make his stay in prison ever so fun  Though I doubt he'll spend 19 years in prison. Even if the sentence was not reduced or bribes weren't given, I can't see him surviving in a nigerian prison for that long.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 12:37:30 PM   
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What we really need to do is to cut internet comms with most African countries especially Nigeria.
Every few months after marking a bunch of those messages as "spam" I contact Yahoo and ask them why they still continue to allow comms from African countries.
Yeah that's the ticket...cut off a whole continent so you don't get shit in your junk mail folder.....

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 12:50:23 PM   
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Hopefully paired with a 400lb black gang member named 'cupcake' who will make his stay in prison ever so fun  



Admit it... the idea of Nigerian prison rape gets you off, doesn't it  ?

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 1:57:54 PM   
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Damn.  I thought maybe someone had bumped this thread for some sort of update, rather than to just piss about a ten month old topic.  I guess that just goes to show how bright some people are about using the net.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 2:17:22 PM   
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The update is: he is still in prison but the sentence has been reduced to eighteen years two months.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 4:40:14 PM   
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Admit it... the idea of Nigerian prison rape gets you off, doesn't it  ?


LOL!!! No.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/21/2010 10:18:31 PM   
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I have been around on these forums for about 10 years. CM is really tame when it comes to scammers. In my time i must have had thousands of mails from them. Strangely enough i have never received just one where i have had the urge to get my credit card in to action. 95 % of them is so obvious transparent that it is a joke. The last 5 % can be sorted out with just a minimum of investigation of what it really is, they are telling. Wikipedia and Google Earth types of sites is quite exellent in providing information for which a local should have ready made answers for. A common methode of scamming is they claim being from places they haven't been within 1000 miles of. Of course my 20 years of living in Africa does help a lot. I find it really amusing when somebody claims to be from South Africa, as that country i know as well as i know Denmark. I think you have to be rather gullible to get caught, at least be the ones who tried to hit on me. Like if they claim you won a lotto, just try and Google the lottos name. I have won a lotto a few times (minor amounts) and sure as hell they don't start start sending you mail. Present the ticket at your local dealer and you get your cash. If it is the big one they collect you with a limo as far as i know.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/23/2010 2:09:01 PM   
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I know what you mean there. Though i'd have to say the most amusing scammers that contacted me were ones that claimed to be from Switzerland. I decided to have some fun with them and replied to the message in German. The scammer said he didn't know what I said and to write in English. But it gets better. I asked to see a passport as 'proof' she was 'real' and the idiot sent a pic of a 'her' passport....and it was an Australian passport. LOL the scammer couldn't even fake a passport from the right country.

It makes me wonder how smart some people really are that get these scams pulled on them

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/23/2010 2:33:18 PM   
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It makes me wonder how smart some people really are that get these scams pulled on them



Well you know I've had £50,000 of funding 'disappear' on one of my projects involving the homeless here in London which appeared to have some involvement of.. (surprise surprise) Nigerians after over a year of work.

I kind of think that I'm pretty smart as people tend to tell me so.

And even if I was a complete div it still doesn't justify the crime.

Just sayin.

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/23/2010 3:52:47 PM   
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I see what you mean but I was referring to the scams on dating sites and on here. and no you're right it doesn't justify the crime

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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/23/2010 5:00:37 PM   
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I must be a cold heartless bitch. I don't feel sorry for this woman at all. Where was her responsibility in this? She sees a picture and believes it to be true? Who the hell sends that kind of money to someone they never met?
There should be a law about requiring common sense before funds are transferred. Oh wait. both UPS and Fedex have notices about sending money overseas

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I do feel bad for the woman and know that receiving her money back over the years will not replace the romantic dreams she had.
 
 



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RE: Nigerian scammer = 19 years in jail + restitution! - 1/23/2010 8:54:46 PM   
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I think 19 years and having to pay restitution is fair.
Hopefully the punishment will also send a message to others who are thinking of doing the same thing.

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