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Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 12:52:27 PM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		Obama and his administration are proposing/suggesting that Military Veterans should have to tap into  private insurance for service related injuries/illnesses. In other words, no longer get their healthcare paid for thru the VA.

This is from the same man who thinks we have a healthcare crisis and the whole system needs an overhaul.

So what does he do ? Lays a heavier financial burden on private carriers, which will mean a raise in rates and premiums. Making it tougher for veterans/military and private citizens.

He says our military men and women are one of his top priorities, yet he tosses them to the wolves. Do you really think businesses will hire Veterans and Reservists, knowing they will carry a huge finacial burden if they get hurt/wounded/injured while in uniform.

Way to go, Mr. President. keep screwing  Main Street, you rememeber us, the ones you claimed to have's best interest at heart.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=45117

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:05:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read this article and from what it said, it seemed to indicate that this was ONE of many proposals that were being considered, and that they were essentially guaranteeing that it would not result in higher premiums or out of pocket pay out. At the bottom of the article the American Legion indicated some really reasonable worries, but its not like this is positively absolutely what is planned. The article outright said that it 1- was more of a rumor and 2- that it was simply one of many concepts being considered.

There's no need to talk about it like its a done deal, in my humble opinion.

One of the beautiful things about our government is that elected officials can mull ideas around and then those who are affected can weigh in and point out the many potential areas of conflict and more ideas can then be mulled around until adequate solutions are found. Its a continuous process of moving and growing.

One thing that is for sure, congress would never vote away the assistance and aid to our military.


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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:06:53 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:08:59 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:09:24 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:11:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't care if it is only being talked about and isn't a fact as of yet... to even consider such should be a shame on him.  Look at what these government employees are doing... look were we are.

A country that forgets those who serve it will soon be forgotten.  I don't know what country we will be... but this isn't an America I can be proud of.  So make me a new ass hole... but true or not... those that defend us deserve some defending here or we should be ashamed.

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:15:41 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:18:18 PM   
maybemaybenot


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Status: offline 		Plaidskirt: Notice the use of the word " may" in my OP.

kittensol: You can read the same story on CNN, MSNBC. It's being covered by all sides of the political spectrum. The quotes are the quotes and the proposal being considered is the proposal being considered. No matter what source you chose to read.

And while it isn't a done deal, it's very very interesting that the Obama's budget Director won't answer the question. If it wasn't being talked about and proposed on some level, it would be an easy denial.

The very fact that this is a consideration by the administration speaks volumes as to where the priorities lie.

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:22:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Huh no one really bitched when Bush cut VA spending while sending troops to die, but because Obama has 1 thing on the table everyone is saying the sky is falling.

Jeez, I remember when not to long ago the VA was on TV with walls covered in mold, and falling apart and the GOP was like.. this will never happen again and then failed to approved the spending increase

It's just 1 thing on the table, among 100's of others things.  Time to stop, slow down and not fall for everything someone is trying to sell you.


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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:23:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

It's true that the state of health care in this country is fucking scandalous. NATIONALISE the lot pronto.


LOL.... if Obama wanted to change the healthcare system he wouldn't be trying or thinking about adding more burden to the very industry he says isn't working. Nor would he be thinking about tossing the men and women, who have lost more than most of us will ever know, into a failing system.

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:28:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Huh no one really bitched when Bush cut VA spending while sending troops to die, but because Obama has 1 thing on the table everyone is saying the sky is falling.

Jeez, I remember when not to long ago the VA was on TV with walls covered in mold, and falling apart and the GOP was like.. this will never happen again and then failed to approved the spending increase

It's just 1 thing on the table, among 100's of others things.  Time to stop, slow down and not fall for everything someone is trying to sell you.




I spoke to my senator on the phone for one hour on this issue.  Don't bet some of us didn't bitch.

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:36:06 PM   
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may


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That was in your headline and nothing else.

You then proceeded to discuss it in these terms, which I *also* noted:
"Obama and his administration are proposing/suggesting that Military Veterans should have to tap into private..... in other words no longer get their healthcare paid for thru the VA" (which is not even what this article you are quoting is precisely saying)
"So what does he do? Lays .... which will mean a raise in rates" (again the article quoted an individual who said that explicitly was not going to occur)
"He says... yet he tosses them to the wolves"

Sooooo yeah... Not a lot of room to infer "may" in the terminology you chose to discuss the matter in.

I reiterate, the article clearly indicated that this was one of many prospects to be considered and that it would not result in higher out of pocket costs. So there's really no need to discuss it like its already happened and is definitive.  ----- in my opinion

from the article:
"Peter Orzsag: “Well, there will be more details about the VA budget in April, but let me state very clearly that there won't be increases in out-of-pocket costs or premiums for veterans. And, in fact, the budget adds $25 billion over five years for veterans and covers more than -- covers roughly a half a million more veterans under the VA system.”"

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:37:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: housesub4you

Huh no one really bitched when Bush cut VA spending while sending troops to die, but because Obama has 1 thing on the table everyone is saying the sky is falling.



Bush's bill was defeated. The one that proposed increasing co pays and enrollment fees. Some one, somewhere bitched.

Let's see if the same Democrats who rejected Bush's bill, will reject Obama's bill. < if it comes to fruition> And Obama's is far more detrimental than Bush's ever was.

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:39:37 PM   
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Support the Warrior Not the War: Give Them Their Benefits!


Bush FY 2006 Budget Proposal Might Mean 'Deep Cuts' in Veterans ...


Bush Honors Veterans By Slashing Veterans Affairs Budget


So, just out of curiosity, where was your outrage when all of this was happening?


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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:42:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Let's see if the same Democrats who rejected Bush's bill, will reject Obama's bill. < if it comes to fruition> And Obama's is far more detrimental than Bush's ever was.



"Peter Orzsag: “Well, there will be more details about the VA budget in April, but let me state very clearly that there won't be increases in out-of-pocket costs or premiums for veterans. And, in fact, the budget adds $25 billion over five years for veterans and covers more than -- covers roughly a half a million more veterans under the VA system.”"


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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:43:24 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:46:25 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:47:16 PM   
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Frustrated Veterans Accuse Bush of Breaking Promise
Support the Warrior Not the War: Give Them Their Benefits!
Bush FY 2006 Budget Proposal Might Mean 'Deep Cuts' in Veterans ...
Bush Honors Veterans By Slashing Veterans Affairs Budget
So, just out of curiosity, where was your outtrage when all of this was happening?


Bush isn't President anymore.  Obama is President, and the wrongs of the Bush Administration are not a valid reason for Obama to make bad decisions.  Honestly it sounds incredibly childish when Obama supporters do this. 

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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:48:52 PM   
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RE: Military People may lose VA Benefits under Obama - 3/17/2009 1:49:50 PM   
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