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UPSG -> RE: No Condoms In Africa, says the Pope (3/20/2009 6:55:45 AM)
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ORIGINAL: kittinSol
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You never surrendered your youth to war, and you weren't raised in a country where the culture repeatedly suggests to you how evil and sinister your religion (and Catholicism is cultural in some ways) is.
Be careful. You want a persecution complex competition? You don't know the first thing about me. I'm Jewish: I know quite a bit about my religion and culture being held as the root of all evils. War affected my family very, very directly, although I was fortunate to not have been born thirty years earlier.
The Pope was a Nazi youth: that is why I link him to the Nazis. He may have regretted it, but that's between himself and his conscience. He should not have been elected precisely because of this. And his reinstating of the Holocaust denying bishop is unfuckingforgivable and certainly confirms the suspicion that there's something not very palatable about him. Why you take this as a personal attack is your business, not mine.
He should be in the business of spirituality, something that's much needed in today's world, not in the business of telling vulnerable people what they should or shouldn't do with their own sexuality. After all... if there was a God, I doubt very mcuh whether he or she would give a toss if people fucked with a condom or not [8|] . And it takes a little mind to think otherwise.
Oh sweet Jesus![8|]
Kittin, the Jewish neighborhood in Milwaukee is upper-middle-class. If anyone has been disenfranchised underneath Catholicism it has been the scores mestizos, mulatto, blacks, and Asians throughout the European colonized world.
I think you need to read up on the Inquisition records of Mexico. They denote clearly the Amerindians and black slaves pelting conversos (ethnic Jews) with vegetables as they were walked to their death after being found guilty under the Inquisition (your Jewish so you should know Torquemada [said to have Jewish ancestry himself] didn't have shit on Moses when it came to Inquisitional killings of Hebrews). Most that suffered in Mexican Inquisition (and most Inquisition trials never resulted in capital punishment) were mestizos and mulattos. The Amerindians and blacks pelted the conversos because they were the slave traders.
As the British award winning historian of the Hispanic world, Hugh Thomas, points out in his book The Slave Trade, Louis Farrakan is right when he stated the ethnic Jews predominantly ran the Trans-Atlantic-Slave-Trade. However, Hugh Thomas points out that Farrakans comments have no weight or truth value relating to the history of the United States (by-and-large), because it was in the Spanish colonies throughout the Americas where the ethnic Jews almost exclusively ran the slave trade.
Hmmm.... brings my point about situations and people not always being reducable to black and white or good and bad. There exists a broad range of shades and colors in this world - contextual at times to life matters.
The Jews by-and-large, contrary to what impression you have been given, financially prospered well under the Western Catholic world. I'll grant you that was not at all times in all places and I'll cede a many a barabaric riots, attacks, and slaughters on practicing Jews throughout the Catholic world. The Protestant world in general treated the Jews much, much better. Protestants treated Jews better than Jews in Israel today treat the Palestinians I'll tell you that. Ok, maybe not the Luthernans in Germany who were worse than Catholic Germans in anti-Jewish sentiments (you can refer to Martin Luther's amazing diatribes against Jews - a man who is portarayed by the U.S. media regarding "history" as a humble, saintly, man with few to no personal faults going up against an evil Catholic Church. Yeah, and "history" is science and not art my ass. [8|])
The Jews that came to the United States from Germany - and Western Europe - immiediately joined the middle-class. This followed the Calvinist "Scotts-Irish" (ethnic Scots who lived in Northern Ireland - these and those of Norman-English ancestry are the one's who mainly make up Protestants in Northern Ireland, something never pointed out by the U.S. media when the issue of the IRA or the historical roots of their fighting comes up) who did the same many years ago. This is where most Black-Americans derive their surnames: from the Scotts, Welsh, and English. The Celtic roots to the Southern KKK it might be added is Scotish.
The Jews have always worked their way into the upper-class of Western European society. French homosexual and novelist Marcel Proust is an example of that - an admitted admirer of very youthful males. The Jewish part of his bloodline came from wealth.
People who are truely jacked in the game are systematically kept from financial wealth. Anywhere in Latin America Jews disproporionately hold the wealth in those nations - same in the United States. The mestizos, mulattos, and blacks? Hell no.
The Jews that came to the United States as poor people were almost exclusively from Eastern Europe (e.g. Russia). These are the Jews that made up boxers, gangsters, and bootleggers.
Having said all that, the Jewish peoples are not one monolithic group. People that are anti-Jew fail to realize this (just as people that are anti-Catholic will fail to distinguish between Brazilian Catholicism and German Catholicism [need I note Brazil fought on the side of the Allies during WWII]). Jewish people are Orthodox Jews (meaning they believe in the Genisis story as being 100% fact) they are more liberal Jews (believe Genisis is fiction) they are agnostics, athiests, socialist, capitalists, Democrats, Republicans and they are many ethnicities and of differing sexual orientations. They are people. But then Catholics, Protestants, Buddhists and others are like this too.
So, I have news for you, there were thousands of ethnic Jews or half-Jews that wore the German military uniform during WWII. There were also homosexual Nazi's. And I know most people don't realize this, but Catholics and many other people suffered in Nazi concentration camps. Half of all those killed were non-Jews. And Catholic Roma (Gypsies) lost a higher percentage of their people to the Nazi persecutions than the Jewish people did. No one has given Roma a nation-state. Roma are predominantly a poor people and have always been persecuted throughout European history.
I grew up around young Black kids calling each other names like "African booty scratcher." Although Catholics in the U.S. do not have a history of torment anywhere near that of the Black experience in the U.S. (indeed unlike the German Catholics of Wisconsin - Catholics in Southern sympathizing Maryland almost certainly lynched Black-Americans), I can see some similarities in contemporary Catholics self-hatred, related to their ignorance of history and doctrine, to that of the historical Black-Americans self-hatred of him or herself in relation to continental Africa. This comes from propaganda and conditioning of the mind.
You're not Catholic but I can tell an irrational emotive state in your posts on the Pope and or Catholicism and Christianity that differs from your posts that are against the death penalty. You are more hostile with the Pope than with a serial killer. Your process of thought is to reduce issues with layers and complexity in Africa and the human experience to simply the Popes comments = massacre of Africans. It's irrational. And I could use the same method of thought to state the same about President Obama in light of him leading a nation that dispropotionately consumes most the worlds resouces. (this would be related to "ecological footprint")
I remembering being taught in biology that in the scientific method of reasoning, that if one has an hypothesis, but finds just one case where a result proves counter, then the hypothesis is false. Or we might think of this as supposing no black or Catholic is literate. All you have to do is find one black and one Catholic that are literate to find out that is false.
This is from Wikipedia:
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A hypothesis (from Greek ὑπόθεσις /i΄poθesis/) consists either of a suggested explanation for an observable phenomenon or of a reasoned proposal predicting a possible causal correlation among multiple phenomena. The term derives from the Greek, hypotithenai meaning "to put under" or "to suppose." The scientific method requires that one can test a scientific hypothesis. Scientists generally base such hypotheses on previous observations or on extensions of scientific theories. Even though the words "hypothesis" and "theory" are often used synonymously in common and informal usage, a scientific hypothesis is not the same as a scientific theory. A Hypothesis is never to be stated as a question, but always as a statement with an explanation following it. It is not to be a question because it states what he/she thinks or believes will occur.
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