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BDSM small claims

Dom A should pay half, sub b keeps the toys.

17% (7)

Dom A should pay the total cost.

7% (3)

Dom A should pay nothing, for getting nothing.

75% (30)

Total Votes : 40

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BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 6:28:25 PM

LadyPact

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Here's your chance to play Judge Judy, Judge Joe Brown, or any other tv court show judge who sits on the bench deciding those small claims cases that are such a hit. Let's get it on! It's "The (Kinky) People's Court."

Let's meet the Plaintiff - sub b. In this case, sub b wants a sum of money from Dom A. In the complaint, sub b states that, after meeting Dom A during a trip, the two of them chose to engage in something of a long distance dynamic. In the course of which, sub b and Dom A mutually agreed that they should purchase some toys for the next time they would see each other. Since they didn't live near each other, the two of them participated in cyber shopping for the items over the internet. It was decided that sub b would make the purchase and have the items delivered to sub b's address.

Shortly after the purchase, it became clear that the two of them were not suited for a dynamic with each other. Dom A never made the trip to see sub b, so the toys were never used between the two of them, except in an electronic sort of way.

The Plaintiff is asking for the amount of the toys purchased.

Let's meet the Defendant - Dom A. Dom A does not dispute any of sub b's story. In fact, Dom A know the toys were ordered and received because Dom A watched sub b open the package on cam. Dom A also admits to offering to pay for half of the purchase because Dom A had every reason to believe the items would be used together. Since they never were, sub b had the ability to use the toys with the next Dom who became involved with the sub. Dom A has never been in physical possession of the toys. Also, even if the Dom paid for the toys now, there's no reason to believe that sub b would turn over the property. Afterall, sub b did get some use out of the toys (physically) and Dom A never did.

So, what's your verdict?

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 6:34:16 PM

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I love this type of legal mental gyrations. However, considering that my legal mental powers were sucked dry at the office today (had a gazillion Summons to get out this afternoon), I'm going to have to revisit this topic. Right now, I'm thinking just let them beat the hell out of each other. Winner takes all.

See what happens when I'm over-tired?

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:00:36 PM

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This is why I buy my own toys and I keep them. I buy toys that can be cleaned and Sterlized just for this issue. If I cannot afford a Toy I just don't own it.

When a Relationship ends I leave with all things that were "Power" Related. I take the Rope, The Chain, The Wall and Celing Fixtures, The Mat, The Toys, the Cuffs, and the Collar. They are never "Gifts" they are expected to remain with me, even the items that I have had specially made when I go they go with me even if they never get used again they go with me.

In this situation, sub b is being rediculous. There is no way I am paying for a used toy, nor am I going to pay for something I never got to use, nor am I going to pay for something that I cannot guarantee that I will have in my possession. sub b needs to suck it up and just live with the fact that they now own a set of toys and try to make th emost of it.

I am curious as to who called off the shindig. If they two mutually decided to end it then perhaps Dom A could do the nice thing and make some monetary responsibility for something that only happened because they were interested in that. I mean no sub of mine is going to be buying toys unless I okay it so there is the responsibility worked up in that matter.

As for what Judge Judy would say, "Don't Slap me with a Tuna, and tell me I just goy lucky"

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:19:09 PM

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quote:

This is why I buy my own toys and I keep them.

This is why I make most of my own toys, buy the ones I cannot make, and keep them all.

I don't really think sub is being ridiculous, but s/he should have thought of this before agreeing to pay for the toys and only bought what s/he could afford or wanted. Yes, sub has the toys, but may have overspent him/herself due to the promise made by Dom to cover half. It's not like sub can return the toys to the store.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:19:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah

When a Relationship ends I leave with all things that were "Power" Related. I take the Rope, The Chain, The Wall and Celing Fixtures, The Mat, The Toys, the Cuffs, and the Collar. They are never "Gifts" they are expected to remain with me, even the items that I have had specially made when I go they go with me even if they never get used again they go with me.

I've bought several of the toys DB and I use, although He had a ton of stuff to start with (several suitcases full). However, two things He knows that I (and most women I know) would never want second-hand are: fuck toys that have been up another girl's twat and a used collar that's been around another girl's neck. Oh hell no...

When DB and His past partners have parted, I think they took what they brought to the table. Whomever bought it, took it home.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:26:23 PM

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I think that the sub (or bottom) should supply the toys and that they should only be used on the sub (or bottom). I have no problem paying for my toys because they are my toys. If a dominant wanted to gift me with a brand new toy, that would be nice. The idea of using toys that have been used (especially inserted) in other people completely squicks me out, to a huge degree, I'd have to pass up on that opportunity.

I wouldn't even get into that sort of argument with someone whom I've never met.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:26:37 PM

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quote:

However, two things He knows that I (and most women I know) would never want second-hand are: fuck toys that have been up another girl's twat and a used collar that's been around another girl's neck. Oh hell no...

Exactly, Miss Red!

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:34:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

quote:

However, two things He knows that I (and most women I know) would never want second-hand are: fuck toys that have been up another girl's twat and a used collar that's been around another girl's neck. Oh hell no...

Exactly, Miss Red!

*hugs Wyld*

He actually told me that He couldn't imagine a guy expecting a subsequent woman agreeing to such (to use second hand pussy toys or a collar), but I suppose there are some guys out there who do.

I have no problem with floggers, whips, crops, canes, and other various things that have been used prior to me (even though we actually have our own set that we have gotten for us during the past 6 years). Hell, the implements kinky people play with aren't cheap, and I surely don't expect either of us to go out and spend $150 on a new flogger just because it was used before I came along.

But vibes, dildos, or a collar... phuk no.

(edited for clarity)

< Message edited by Daddysredhead -- 3/19/2009 7:36:26 PM >

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 7:49:16 PM

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Whoa, reality threads!

The person that paid for the toys has the toys, and gets to use them as he wishes. Good for him! The lady gets to get new toys with someone else.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:31:39 PM

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quote:

I think that the sub (or bottom) should supply the toys and that they should only be used on the sub (or bottom).

Agreed, Katy. I even have something to that effect in my profile. Of course, certain people who shall not be mentioned have accused me of being a bit of a toy whore

, but that's another story.

My only thing with the situation LP posted is if the sub overspent his/her budget based on the Dom's promise to pay half. Other than that, the sub paid for the toys and has the toys.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:34:52 PM

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So, there's something wrong with being a toy whore?

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:37:24 PM

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quote:

So, there's something wrong with being a toy whore?

No more so than being a yarn whore, Francine. I think we're safe.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:38:33 PM

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Whew!

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:41:45 PM

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It's my experience that you buy your own toys.
I can't imagine asking a D-type to pay for toys He/She never played with. Pressies are always nice, but in this case it sounds like the sub is being petty.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:43:48 PM

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 8:47:26 PM

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I went with Dom A paying half and sub b keeping the toys. Or I suppose that sub b could send any non-personal toys to Dom A. The reason for this was that they agreed to "mutually purchase" these toys.

On the other hand, I also want to ask sub b, "What were you thinking?" The two of them could have went shopping as part of their next meet togeather. Or they could have alternated who purchased the toys. Sub b could have flat out said, "I cannot afford any more purchases without you kicking in some money." Next time, sub b needs to think about things more before charging things on their credit card.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 9:51:04 PM

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They are in sub's possesion. They are being used be sub. Sub should pay for them.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/19/2009 9:53:42 PM

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WOAH,

Okay I have never given a collar second hand but I'll be damned if I let her keep the damn thing. I have given them to friends (Usually Vanilla) who had shown interest.

As for Toys, Oddly enough it has never been am issue. Please note that I am meticulous when it comes to my toys and they must be able to be returned to a Sterile Condition. I own either Glass, and Steel, or Non-porous Silicone. These toys cost in the $75 to $250 range and with what I own I have quite a LOT invested in them and so yes I Keep them, and I clean them and Disinfect them and seralize all the glass and Steel ones. I have only had one girl make a comment when I brought them out and her worries were put to rest when I explained how I kept them. However just to make a point on the subject, Cheap crap is Cheap Crap I don;t see why anyone would ever want to own a toy that could not be cleaned to this degree. I mean even womens own bodies can be nasty as hell and with the attitude that you would never want a pre used toy, what do you call the Viberator that 90% of women Polled (Factoid on RealSex #27) admitted they do not always wash inbetween uses. With that being said even though it is your own juice that is WAY MORE FUNKY than anything I would allow.

Wanna see me as Nasty? No worries at least I know what each toy has gone through and would be willing stick any one of them in my own mouth. Okay Rant over. I just don't think there is anything wrong with maintaining high quality toys no matter the partner.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/20/2009 12:54:42 AM

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It was decided that sub b buy the toys and have them shipped to her home, therefore she owns them. In your scenario there is no discussion of payment reimbursement so Dom A is not financially responsible.

While it would have been nice for Dom A to pay half, since it wasn't discussed it isn't an issue.

Hopefully sub b will enjoy them by herself until the next Dom happens along.

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RE: BDSM small claims - 3/20/2009 4:01:58 AM

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quote:

what do you call the Viberator that 90% of women Polled (Factoid on RealSex #27) admitted they do not always wash inbetween uses.

I'd call it gross.

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