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OrionTheWolf -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:44:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy It really is enough...I don't need to be shown that people that cut themselves have issues...I know it. I don't need to be shown that prostitutes come form worse environments than people that choose not to whore themselves out...I know this. I don't need to be shown the same for strippers...I know this. You mean as a general rule or as an absolute? quote: The same goes for "no-limit" subs...I know what lies in the majority of their pasts. Pretty simple straight forward shit... the kind of "straight forward shit" that people really have a difficult time comprehending out here. I'm not talking about splitting hairs...I am talking about a woman that says she will follow blindly wherever her Dom leads. That is the "no-limit" sub in question. The one that has no soul...lol. You mean as a general rule, or as an absolute? Have you ever touched the moon? Do you still believe the moon exists just because you can see it in the sky? In general, until someone comes across a well-balanced, no limit slave, they will likely not believe it because it is rare, but they do exist. Many will consider them mentally ill, because mental illness is based upon accepted social norms, and they just cannot relate or understand. It is easy to dismiss based upon many of these things, and takes much more to understand them. Society and the people within will always judge because they believe they know. They will not believe in exceptions and will always lump all kinds of people together, just because they cannot understand. If you are the owner of a slave that has no limits, or you are a slave that has no limits, don't worry about defending yourself. Some people refuse to understand and feel more comfortable just lumping many people into a single category of what is.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 5:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: It really is enough...I don't need to be shown that people that cut themselves have issues...I know it. I don't need to be shown that prostitutes come form worse environments than people that choose not to whore themselves out...I know this. I don't need to be shown the same for strippers...I know this. Really? http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/weird/Laid-Off-Wall-Streeters-Turn-To-Strip-Clubs.html So nice that she is making $160,000 per year...Not. People will believe anything that they read....Not this cowboy. I gotsa brain and I tend to use it. She no longer strips. Guess the lure of $160,000 wasn't enough. She got drunk and got on the pole after being dumped by her boyfriend. I use my gut and I am rarely wrong...Again it's the whole common sense thing that is sorely lacking out on this site. Did we read the same article? I'm guessing the only truths out there are the one's that spew from your mouth right? You can't back anything up that you say but when someone else backs up something they have said it's not the truth?

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:06:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subliscious quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 He has the right even to take my life...he does not have the rigth to take another's. I am sure I will upset many with my first post here but really this smacks to me of someone who is really mentally unstable. NOBODY has the right to take anothers life. If you are in a relationship where you think your partner / owner/ Master has the right to kill you then you need help NOW. Wow you should go into pyshciatry (sp). You read one post from Daddysprop and deduce she's crazy, well done !! Now i've been reading posts from said slave for three years and whilst i don't agree with some of the things she says i can resonate with her more often than not nowadays. What i'm trying to say is everyone has their own way of doing things and this is the way daddys lives and it suits her. She hasn't ended up dead in the three years i've known her and i'm pretty sure we'll be seeing her post here for a long time yet. Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean they are going to.

kittinSol -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:12:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean they are going to. Sorry to barge in so late in the convo, but I've been watching for a while (scared to intervene, because the passions run so high). I had to say something here: he doesn't have the right to take her life, no matter what he may have convinced her of. For anyone to say 'my dominant/master/owner has the right to take my life' is false, and therefore irrelevant to the conversation: I can see why it would come across as posturing to the more cynical amongst us.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:18:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut Just because someone has the right to do something doesn't mean they are going to. Sorry to barge in so late in the convo, but I've been watching for a while (scared to intervene, because the passions run so high). I had to say something here: he doesn't have the right to take her life, no matter what he may have convinced her of. For anyone to say 'my dominant/master/owner has the right to take my life' is false, and therefore irrelevant to the conversation: I can see why it would come across as posturing to the more cynical amongst us. Ok let's take this down quite a few levels and ponder what the reaction would be to someone saying 'my dom has the right to spank me'. There would be no reaction, noone would scream blue murder about him not having the right to do that. Assault is illegal and so is murder and before you say it yes i know murder is far more serious. Noone actually has the right to do anything to anyone legally but lets face it most of what we do is not actually legal.

kittinSol -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:19:42 AM)
Spanking between consenting adults isn't illegal. Murder is.

heartfeltsub -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:34:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Personally, I think if people want a serious answer to the question of "Why does this phrase stir such strong reactions?"--this is your answer. The rhetoric and the bravado of the "No-Limits" relationship is always centered on real harm. The dominant brags that he/she can and will do real harm if they please; the submissive brags that he/she will passively endure real harm and real abuse without resistance or complaint Personally i have only come across one no limit slave who claims this. me to. More often that not, the s-type that says he or she is "no-limit" does so in the realm of the relationship with an individual that he or she knows will never do them real harm. So that inside the bonds of a "safe" relationship, they are free to live inside of boundaries of the Dominant's limits and don't have to add more boundaries with limits of his or her own. So then those individuals hold no limits of their own, but trust in the limits that the Dominant have. heartfelt

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:36:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Spanking between consenting adults isn't illegal. Murder is. In the eyes of the law it's assault and therefore illegal. Did you know (obviously not) that when partaking in a little otk if you were busted, your dom could be done for assault and yourself for aiding and abetting?

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:41:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Personally, I think if people want a serious answer to the question of "Why does this phrase stir such strong reactions?"--this is your answer. The rhetoric and the bravado of the "No-Limits" relationship is always centered on real harm. The dominant brags that he/she can and will do real harm if they please; the submissive brags that he/she will passively endure real harm and real abuse without resistance or complaint Personally i have only come across one no limit slave who claims this. me to. More often that not, the s-type that says he or she is "no-limit" does so in the realm of the relationship with an individual that he or she knows will never do them real harm. So that inside the bonds of a "safe" relationship, they are free to live inside of boundaries of the Dominant's limits and don't have to add more boundaries with limits of his or her own. So then those individuals hold no limits or their own, but trust in the limits that the Dominant has. heartfelt Exactly [:D] Unfortunately not everyone gets it though and we no limit slaves become someone who has to have suffered emotional trauma, and has to be mentally unstable.

mistoferin -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 6:53:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub More often that not, the s-type that says he or she is "no-limit" does so in the realm of the relationship with an individual that he or she knows will never do them real harm. So that inside the bonds of a "safe" relationship, they are free to live inside of boundaries of the Dominant's limits and don't have to add more boundaries with limits of his or her own. So then those individuals hold no limits of their own, but trust in the limits that the Dominant have. I could claim to be an airline pilot if I knew with certainty that my ability to fly would never be tested by actually having to get into the cockpit of a plane, getting it off the ground and safely landing it again. I have no limits that Sir would ever exceed. Actually, his limits are far more conservative than my own. So by the above reasoning I could essentially profess myself to be no limits. But I don't....because whether or not he tests the limits that I do have....I still have them. Just like everybody else does. There is no such thing as a no limits human being. By the nature of our membership in the human race we all have limits.

Aynne88 -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:01:48 AM)
Sad that you even have to quantify that. This is the oddest thread I have seen in a long time. How does a little OTK spanking get in the same category as your owner whacking you? [8\|]. Oh, for my Brit friends, that's whack as in Tony Soprano style.[;)] quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Spanking between consenting adults isn't illegal. Murder is.

Aynne88 -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:05:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Spanking between consenting adults isn't illegal. Murder is. In the eyes of the law it's assault and therefore illegal. Did you know (obviously not) that when partaking in a little otk if you were busted, your dom could be done for assault and yourself for aiding and abetting? Not quite. When a man is charged with assault generally his "victim" isn't prosecuted as well. Unless the laws in Britian are vastly different than here, and if that's the case, how unfair. However, common sense dictates that is just isn't so.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:08:38 AM)
quote: There is no such thing as a no limits human being. By the nature of our membership in the human race we all have limits. There is no such thing as a lot of things people claim to be in bdsm but does that mean we just throw them out as being non - existant too?

Aynne88 -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:11:06 AM)
Exactly erin. I don't think these women can deal with the fact they are indeed no different, no more "real" or no more authentic than any of us that have submitted to a man where we have no safewords or limits either. It doesn't mean that we have no limits at all. Why the need to constantly impress us with your uber slaviness? We get it. Within the confines of your relationship, you have no limits. So do a lot of us. Big woo. 15 pages of back patting and passive aggressive "they'll never get it, we do things we hate for him, we have no limits, oh the sheer slaviness of it." Yeah ok. quote: ORIGINAL: mistoferin quote: ORIGINAL: heartfeltsub More often that not, the s-type that says he or she is "no-limit" does so in the realm of the relationship with an individual that he or she knows will never do them real harm. So that inside the bonds of a "safe" relationship, they are free to live inside of boundaries of the Dominant's limits and don't have to add more boundaries with limits of his or her own. So then those individuals hold no limits of their own, but trust in the limits that the Dominant have. I could claim to be an airline pilot if I knew with certainty that my ability to fly would never be tested by actually having to get into the cockpit of a plane, getting it off the ground and safely landing it again. I have no limits that Sir would ever exceed. Actually, his limits are far more conservative than my own. So by the above reasoning I could essentially profess myself to be no limits. But I don't....because whether or not he tests the limits that I do have....I still have them. Just like everybody else does. There is no such thing as a no limits human being. By the nature of our membership in the human race we all have limits.

kittinSol -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:11:34 AM)
Besides, this is besides the point. The point is that a person never has the right to take away someone's life, unless their own is in some kind of danger. If a Dom feels the need to assert such a thing to a submissive, they're either delusional, or lying, or both, and a submissive that accepts this is in with the wrong crowd. Spanking or no spanking [8\|] .

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:11:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Spanking between consenting adults isn't illegal. Murder is. In the eyes of the law it's assault and therefore illegal. Did you know (obviously not) that when partaking in a little otk if you were busted, your dom could be done for assault and yourself for aiding and abetting? Not quite. When a man is charged with assault generally his "victim" isn't prosecuted as well. Unless the laws in Britian are vastly different than here, and if that's the case, how unfair. However, common sense dictates that is just isn't so. Actually it's a distinct possibility. I never said it was fair or even likely to happen. What i was trying to point out is that most of what we do when it comes to physical is illegal. quote: Sad that you even have to quantify that. This is the oddest thread I have seen in a long time. How does a little OTK spanking get in the same category as your owner whacking you? [8\|]. Oh, for my Brit friends, that's whack as in Tony Soprano style.[;)] Same category as in illegal.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:15:42 AM)
quote: Exactly erin. I don't think these women can deal with the fact they are indeed no different, no more "real" or no more authentic than any of us that have submitted to a man where we have no safewords or limits either. Show me in this thread where anyone has claimed a no limits slave is the slaviest or the uber slave and i'll run down my street naked. I don't know what it is about no limit slaves that brings out the bitchiness and putting of words in mouths but it really is pathetic.

heartfeltsub -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:18:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth The legend of the "Sacrifice of Abraham" is often used as a reference when this topic is discussed. Everyone should keep in mind that in reality Abraham's son was NOT sacrificed. The is no power, including a burning bush, that would get me to even consider such a sacrifice of beth. We would have never journeyed up the mountain in the first place. I appreciate this information. It's becoming clear where these conversational problems are coming from. If there are two very, very different definitions of the phrase "No Limits" that are both operating simultaneously in this community, the fact that the two definitions directly contradict one another would naturally generate a lot of chaos. Those of us who don't use this label in our own lives are having it defined by others we meet, who call themselves "No Limits" and then give us a definition of the term and the relationship it implies. When the people who use the phrase contradict each other about its meaning and implications, there's no way an outsider can avoid confusion. i think this sums up the entirety of the problem. There are some and i would suggest most, who label themselves as no-limit when what they mean is i don't need to have limits of my own that put boundaries on my Dominant, because i trust in the limits that He or She puts on him or herself so i am safe, no real harm will come to me inside of this relationship. There are others who when they call themselves no-limits do not mean that at all. They really do mean that anything can be done to them not only including actual harm, but especially actual harm, because there is some part of their psyche that wants actual harm done to them. i have met a couple, but not many who would fit in that category. But because two divergent groups of people are using the same term and are meaning two entirely different things by the term, it can and does cause confusion. heartfelt

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:18:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol Besides, this is besides the point. The point is that a person never has the right to take away someone's life, unless their own is in some kind of danger. If a Dom feels the need to assert such a thing to a submissive, they're either delusional, or lying, or both, and a submissive that accepts this is in with the wrong crowd. Spanking or no spanking [8\|] . Noone has the right to spank you, whip you, spit at you, paddle you either. Slaves give rights to their dom's, it's as simple as that. Noone can tell anyone what rights they can give and what they can't. Other peoples relationships are just that, none of our business.

mistoferin -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 7:24:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: There is no such thing as a no limits human being. By the nature of our membership in the human race we all have limits. There is no such thing as a lot of things people claim to be in bdsm but does that mean we just throw them out as being non - existant too? If you take someone...oh say...that's into puppy play, just as an example, and you tell them that they aren't REALLY a canine...well, they will readily admit you are right and that it's just fantasy. If you tell a self professed "no limits slave" that they REALLY aren't no limits, they often take it as some sort of personal affront that seems to imply that they aren't real, they aren't dedicated or committed enough or that they are less worthy somehow. The "no limits" tag they affix themselves with somehow validates them.

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