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InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 3:20:46 PM)
If an owned submissive / slave is not accused of living in a fantasy world then why should a no limits slave be accused of this? Legally speaking you cannot kill someone, ok. Legally speaking you cannot own someone either. My personal definition of a no limits slave is that i have no limits other than those of my Master. Still they are not mine, they are his. Just like if Sir has a car that does not make it my car. I don't have a car, he has one. I don't have limits, he has limits.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 3:24:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Her name is Randi Newton. Google her, read her blog...Do a little work for yourself. You might find that it is a gratifying experience. The end result might be that you reach the miraculous conclusion that you do possess worth and might actually consider setting some meaningful and positive boundaries for yourself. I doubt it. Blah blah. My original point still stands. She is a stripper who did not come from a bad background. Hence your all strippers have bad background theory, well nothing short of proved wrong. Blah, blah ,blah...Even in my stripper thread I refered to the "majority" of no-limit subs....I figured that most people would reach the conclusion that in my posts I am referring to the majority of people that comprise these groups. Strippers always come from ideal backgrounds, tremendous education, surrounded by people who love and support them...Never any self esteem issues. you are once again correct!!!! Strippers should be running the P.T.A. The Majority of them come from extremely fucked up cricumstances...Sabe? There are no absolutes...Got it? I have but i doubt you have. How about answering the rest of my post? Go on you know you want to. [:D]

eleusis -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 3:28:32 PM)
I have found this thread fascinating- as the whole no limits topic (and the passion it stirs) has never ceased to amaze me. The people that say that it's ridiculous for a slave to have "no limits" up to the point of their owner being given the 'right' to take their very life basically seem to be saying that it's a farce. I'm not so sure that I agree. Nor do I neccessarily agree that it means the slave is mentally unbalanced. I'm going to take a stab in the dark here and guess that they would not be in a given relationship if they did not trust their owner NOT to take their life. I mean, there was a time when they agreed to be owned by this individual, a time when they could have walked away before making the commitment. If they fancy themselves a no-limit slave, I'd like to think that they value themselves enough to have gotten to know their Master enough to feel safe in this regard before becoming collared. I would also hope that the Dominant in this instance is stable enough to know that, while the slave has entrusted her life to Him, that He has an obligation to keep her safe. She may have ~given~ Him the power to take her life, but the reality is that He has both a moral and legal obligation not to kill her. It just does not seem like rocket science to me. I don't think it's 'fake' because it will not be acted upon. It just means that they are both saner than the anti-no-limits camp is giving either of them credit for. I think it's a beautiful thing to have that much trust in another individual. Why is it so nonsensical to believe that a slave would give the person she belongs to this power over her? The government has this power over each of us, in the form of the death penalty, do they not? To be honest, I'd personally put a lot more trust in the hands of a individual that I hand picked to guide me, care for me, and surrender my life to than I would to some faceless political entity. As least in the case of a Master, I'd have ~chosen~ to give Him that power over me- and since I'd have taken my time and chosen wisely- I would not lose any sleep fretting over it.

domiguy -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 3:41:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut Having said that do we highlight the dangers of everything we talk about in posts? No we don't, we assume that people have the brains to work out that there can be side effects, possible dangers etc in what we do. Unfortunately no limits is a flamey topic. I don't know why really. We don't tell owned subs / slaves they are only fantasising because noone has the RIGHT to own them. We don't always speak about the dangers of meeting a new dom when talking about our first meets. Why should we automatically therefore say how dangerous no limits can be? Why should we be relegated to the fantasy world? Because these "other" people have limits. People here is the deal. I will make my stand on this matter entirely clear. First off there are no absolutes. If you are bored enough, please go back through my posts. In the majority of my threads I utilize words such as "most," "many," or "majority." to pick out a thread where these words are omitted is knitpicking and is not in the spirit of the debate. Anywhooooo, Here is the deal...I believe that limits show a self awareness. I believe that people with poor self esteems have in the "majority" of cases been through some form of abuse, neglect or trauma. I believe that there is nothing wrong with a woman or man declaring that they have an interst in submission. I believe that when the discussion turns to someone that professes that they are willing to do anything for another that is where the problems start to arise. they are on the far end of the curve part of a polar extreme. I believe that it is not a leap to start to question the self esteem of someone that professes to allow another to do as they please to their person. These people, too often, lack boundaries, self worth and self esteem. How did they reach this point? I can only imagine. If you want to carry on with this agrument then spew about how hookers come from great families and lives. That they are full of self confidence and worth. i'm sure the numbers back you up. Okay, what about "no-limit" subs....I'm not talking about some woman who says she will do anything that her partner tells her to do...Fuck! her partner might be so lame that his idea of pushing the edge of the 'lope is to do it with their eyes open. I'm talking about the chick that comes out here and talks about the extreme shit...Her Dom can kill her ass. Lend her out to strangers to be fucked. Make her do any fucking thing under the sun. Ask yourself, does this sound like a well rounded individual? Does this sound like someone that possesses a strong self worth? Does this sound like someone that sees herself as valuable? that promotes a sense of self esteem? Or is her only value based upon the sum of her holes? In any other case it would be cut and dry...How do you reach this destination? where did your path have to take you to get to this point? The "intongue" girls have already painted a fairly sharp contrast between themselves. Their past as well as their potential upbringings and experiences. It's an interesting topic. How many subs grew up in single family homes? Without a strong male figure? How many experienced abuse, neglect or trauma? I am confident the reality of the numbers would be staggering as well as eye opening to many out here. I imagine my take on the results of such a study would be to ...*YAWN*

domiguy -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 3:48:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: ORIGINAL: domiguy quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: Her name is Randi Newton. Google her, read her blog...Do a little work for yourself. You might find that it is a gratifying experience. The end result might be that you reach the miraculous conclusion that you do possess worth and might actually consider setting some meaningful and positive boundaries for yourself. I doubt it. Blah blah. My original point still stands. She is a stripper who did not come from a bad background. Hence your all strippers have bad background theory, well nothing short of proved wrong. Blah, blah ,blah...Even in my stripper thread I refered to the "majority" of no-limit subs....I figured that most people would reach the conclusion that in my posts I am referring to the majority of people that comprise these groups. Strippers always come from ideal backgrounds, tremendous education, surrounded by people who love and support them...Never any self esteem issues. you are once again correct!!!! Strippers should be running the P.T.A. The Majority of them come from extremely fucked up cricumstances...Sabe? There are no absolutes...Got it? I have but i doubt you have. How about answering the rest of my post? Go on you know you want to. [:D] Damn woman..There is nothing left to answer. The majority of strippers come from pretty solid fucked up backgrounds....I would only guess the same holds true for woman that would allow themselves to fall under the umbrella of a "no-limit" sub. The chick in your article, Randi Newman, if you would have taken the time to learn about her...before choosing her as your LONE "example".. Is in the process of writing a book about her life and her strippering days...Hardly your typical stripping/whore/prostitute. I wonder if before she bared twat if she already had the book in mind?...rather compelling motivation if she actually believes that people will pay to find out about her existance on this planet...I kinda doubt it.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:05:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut If an owned submissive / slave is not accused of living in a fantasy world then why should a no limits slave be accused of this? Legally speaking you cannot kill someone, ok. Legally speaking you cannot own someone either. My personal definition of a no limits slave is that i have no limits other than those of my Master. Still they are not mine, they are his. Just like if Sir has a car that does not make it my car. I don't have a car, he has one. I don't have limits, he has limits. first i never accused you of living a fantasy. and, by saying this i have no limits other than those of my Master you are taking on his limits as your own. the key word... other as for the rest. no, you do not have to express any of the pitfalls, any of the potential problems. you can make this look like the fairytale ending of all D/s relationships. and someone can take your posts, point them out to someone new, someone they could be trying to dupe and say "look, no limit slaves do exist, and these girls are happy. no where do you see them mentioning any problems, so what I want to do with you is safe because its no limit slavery, just like we have, slave" the slavemaster in kansas city employed just this kind of methodology. sure, keep your experience and your ability to teach others about the beginning problems, the worries and fears you may have had till you did discover the beauty of what you have now.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:06:57 PM)
Ok i know how to solve this i'll have a limit anddddddddddd my limit will be i won't ever, hard limit this is chew my toe nails. There happy now, can i come back to the land of reality and sanity please? Even if you have limits Domi it doesn't make you any safer or saner than the next person. I could have said i have one limit and that is you can't kill me. Yay i'd have been sane. What you didn't know is that i'd consented to have my leg amputated next week and my finger nails ripped out the week after that.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:16:55 PM)
quote: and, by saying this i have no limits other than those of my Master you are taking on his limits as your own. the key word... other I see it differently. Knife play will never be a limit for me but it will be for sir. Therefore we will not do knife play doesn't mean i have taken on this limit just that knife play will not be done. Now should i be lent to someone who does like knife play then perhaps knife play will be done despite it being one of sirs limits. His personal limit, not mine. quote: as for the rest. no, you do not have to express any of the pitfalls, any of the potential problems. you can make this look like the fairytale ending of all D/s relationships. and someone can take your posts, point them out to someone new, someone they could be trying to dupe and say "look, no limit slaves do exist, and these girls are happy. no where do you see them mentioning any problems, so what I want to do with you is safe because its no limit slavery, just like we have, slave" the slavemaster in kansas city employed just this kind of methodology. sure, keep your experience and your ability to teach others about the beginning problems, the worries and fears you may have had till you did discover the beauty of what you have now. Let's just have a reality check here. I agree the pitfalls need to be openly talked about and when this is done for every topic brought up here i will gladly discuss the fact it isnt been done with regards to no limits slavery. Until the same standards are applied to everything though i think it is highly unfair to just point the finger of blame and accusation at no limits topics.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:31:22 PM)
i dont. i also think it should be done with any dangerous situation, including knife play, sharing sex partners, asphyxiation, slavery and submission in general, new meets, bull whipping, ect.... pretty much anything that can cause physical harm. emotional harm.....or is it the general belief that there are not new people who come here to learn?

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:36:34 PM)
oh, and as far as the reality check goes Slavemaster killings were very real, very much publicized, and initiated on line, especially in AOL. google it.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:39:14 PM)
I completely agree but show me another thread about another topic where you have showed this concern. Where you have said that speaking of it without warning of the implications, dangers etc is not accepatable. Or is it as i suspect that you have only said it here n this thread? I'll apologise if i'm wrong but i really suspect i'm not. Another point to make would be that noone has questioned anyone on what their limits are. As i said above and i quote:- 'Even if you have limits it doesn't make you any safer or saner than the next person. I could have said i have one limit and that is you can't kill me. Yay i'd have been sane. What you didn't know is that i'd consented to have my leg amputated next week and my finger nails ripped out the week after that.' Having limits does not equate to being safe, sane, any more reality bound than anyone else.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:41:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl oh, and as far as the reality check goes Slavemaster killings were very real, very much publicized, and initiated on line, especially in AOL. google it. Show me where i said they weren't real. The reality check was in reference to not talking about the pitfalls only appearing to be an issue in this thread and on the topic of no limits.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:46:26 PM)
you would lose http://www.collarchat.com/m_2535551/mpage_2/key_/tm.htm#2537081

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:48:53 PM)
There's just no talking to you is there? Besides i am sane now, i have a limit. I won't chew my toe nails.

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:51:20 PM)
No i said a post where you and i quote :- 'Where you have said that speaking of it without warning of the implications, dangers etc is not accepatable.' Not a post where you have posted on the pitfalls. We've all done that at some point i would imagine.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:53:12 PM)
show me where i said those exact words here?

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:54:36 PM)
i cannot show you were i have said the words you want, because they are your words, not mine. a bit childish, isnt this?

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 4:56:43 PM)
Lol, they were my words. I asked you originally to show me a post where you said that speaking of it without warning of the implications, dangers etc is not accepatable. Any topic other than no limits. You then showed me a post where you warn of pitfalls which wasn't what i asked for. My point being you moan about the pitfalls not been discussed in this thread but no other. If it is such a bone of contention then why don't you say so about other topics? Oh and just for shits and giggles how about you address the rest of my post instead of picking and choosing what you answer.

tazzygirl -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 5:00:28 PM)
because in the other threads, they have been spoken about. the only one dodging the issues and screaming... i am a no limit slave because i say i am... is you. you have taken the beginnings of a nice discussion between the two of us and reduced it to a show and tell. again, avoiding the real topic. i honestly doubt you have a clue what your speaking of, nor do you care. which, in any kind of slave, i find deplorable. i wish you nothing but luck in your relationships. as far as i am concerned, you have shown your true colors.

ModeratorEleven -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 5:03:06 PM)
Ok you two, that's enough. Move this to email if you really need to continue fighting this out. XI

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