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InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/1/2009 5:09:11 PM)
Would love to but she doesn't have a profile to mail [:D]

NorthernGent -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 3:57:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with. for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" . CP Perhaps it's a matter of the code by which you abide. Two people could certainly come to an agreement to the effect that, as one partner possesses the other, one has the 'right' to take the life of the other (possession is tangible, so can be argued to be more of a right than access to welfare). Obviously, it wouldn't be recognised as a legal right under the rule of law. I suppose the difference is that whereas property belongs to you by virtue of a recognised title, a partner does not (outside of your own codes). I'm not convinced that such 'rights' are meaningful, on the grounds that I doubt very much any person would put themselves in a situation where one partner is serious about resorting to the said 'right'. In terms of loaning someone, well, I think the trick is to understand what you're getting yourself into, regardless of the concept of rights. Yes, you have the power to so do; she has the power/civil right to walk away. Edited to add: and that goes for both partners - there's no use in crying foul because you've chosen a partner who wasn't good for her word.

ranja -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 4:07:49 AM)
and while my Man would not loan me out (pity) I do believe He would take my life if i asked Him because i was suffering horribly from some killing decease...He would go about it carefully but if necessary be punished by law eventhough i had asked Him and He had done the 'right' thing...I hope i never have to ask Him...what is more i very much hope He never has to ask me...i love Him so much, but i do not think i could do it...

wordstoponder -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 6:47:33 AM)
I suppose I am one of those girls who stumbled upon CM, and soon after joining, found the "One" that I want to serve. This was over a year ago, and I am still very happy with my choice. Each D/s relationship is different, and the "rules" depend on what each individual agrees upon. Also, most relationships grow from a seed, with many limits untested, into a flower, expanding beyond limits.

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 8:12:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince Is there a understanding that a " master"/"mistress" carries the power of ultimate right to do as he/she desires. Does the sub/slave understand that if she or he is to be loaned out to friends for sexual pleasure or any other service; that it is to be complied with. for myself i do not think there is an awareness but i look to others for their thoughts, be yee " D " or " s" . CP Perhaps it's a matter of the code by which you abide. Two people could certainly come to an agreement to the effect that, as one partner possesses the other, one has the 'right' to take the life of the other (possession is tangible, so can be argued to be more of a right than access to welfare). Obviously, it wouldn't be recognised as a legal right under the rule of law. I suppose the difference is that whereas property belongs to you by virtue of a recognised title, a partner does not (outside of your own codes). I'm not convinced that such 'rights' are meaningful, on the grounds that I doubt very much any person would put themselves in a situation where one partner is serious about resorting to the said 'right'. In terms of loaning someone, well, I think the trick is to understand what you're getting yourself into, regardless of the concept of rights. Yes, you have the power to so do; she has the power/civil right to walk away. Edited to add: and that goes for both partners - there's no use in crying foul because you've chosen a partner who wasn't good for her word. NG, I do not know if you took the 40 hours it would take to read this thread. It has evolved into personal arguements on things never intended in the original post. things such as taking a life etc etc . It simply focuses on the recognition of ultimate rights contained in a Master/Mistress relationship and certainly did not address patently illegal actions. CP

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 8:14:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: wordstoponder I suppose I am one of those girls who stumbled upon CM, and soon after joining, found the "One" that I want to serve. This was over a year ago, and I am still very happy with my choice. Each D/s relationship is different, and the "rules" depend on what each individual agrees upon. Also, most relationships grow from a seed, with many limits untested, into a flower, expanding beyond limits. words, You did not indicate if he is yourMaster or Sir; but in any case congrats and good life! CP

InTonguesslut -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 8:25:25 AM)
quote: It simply focuses on the recognition of ultimate rights contained in a Master/Mistress relationship and certainly did not address patently illegal actions. CP Perhaps this is why it degenerated into the carnage and mayhem it did. It stands to reason that someone, somewhere, sometime would say legally there are no 'rights' in a D/s relationship. Let's face it legally you don't have the right to make your slave do anything, be anything, say anything etc etc.

susie -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 9:55:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: wordstoponder I suppose I am one of those girls who stumbled upon CM, and soon after joining, found the "One" that I want to serve. This was over a year ago, and I am still very happy with my choice. Each D/s relationship is different, and the "rules" depend on what each individual agrees upon. Also, most relationships grow from a seed, with many limits untested, into a flower, expanding beyond limits. words, You did not indicate if he is yourMaster or Sir; CP Does it matter which? I still don't get the difference. I call mine both depending on the situation and how I feel. Does that mean that sometimes I am a sub and sometimes a slave?

NorthernGent -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 10:55:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince NG, I do not know if you took the 40 hours it would take to read this thread. It has evolved into personal arguements on things never intended in the original post. things such as taking a life etc etc . It simply focuses on the recognition of ultimate rights contained in a Master/Mistress relationship and certainly did not address patently illegal actions. CP The question of the nature of rights is an interesting one (including the taking a life debate), so I thought I'd take the time to comment; and I suppose any discussion regarding 'ultimate rights' will inevitably beg the question: "does that include taking a life?" Speaking from a certain mindset with certain values, I'm inclined to think that there are no rights within a relationship that aren't guaranteed by law (I suppose a political, legal or civil right is enshrined in law); there are only pragmatic arrangements and agreements. But then, I'm no master......well, I lay claim to two thirds of England, but you know what I mean. It is interesting to hear unusual (to my mind) points of view and the logic behind them, and I find myself agreeing with those who suggest that unless you're a mind reader, you couldn't possibly lay claim to understand that which leads people to a 'no limits' relationship. Oh, and I think the onus is on both partners to choose wisely before committing.

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 12:19:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince quote: ORIGINAL: wordstoponder I suppose I am one of those girls who stumbled upon CM, and soon after joining, found the "One" that I want to serve. This was over a year ago, and I am still very happy with my choice. Each D/s relationship is different, and the "rules" depend on what each individual agrees upon. Also, most relationships grow from a seed, with many limits untested, into a flower, expanding beyond limits. words, You did not indicate if he is yourMaster or Sir; CP Does it matter which? I still don't get the difference. I call mine both depending on the situation and how I feel. Does that mean that sometimes I am a sub and sometimes a slave? susie, Like anything else, it will matter to some and not to others, For myself it will always matter as I grew in the path in a more traditional set of protocols. It matters not a damn to those that recently have come to the path, [last few years perhaps] where they adopt their own and run with it cause it suits them, read more convenient, I judge not anyone but will just tend to stick with what i consider to be a better path for me. CP

Andalusite -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/2/2009 6:47:11 PM)
I think both the submissive vs. slave and "no limits" things are mostly a matter of how you phrase things. Intonguesslave and Intonguesslut both have made it pretty clear that they are using "no limits" to mean "our limits are compatible with our Dom/we trust him." In some of my past relationships, limits never really came up, primarily because we weren't doing anything really extreme, and discussed things before doing them most of the time. That doesn't mean that we were truly "no limits," just that we were compatible. I view submission and slavery (in the BDSM sense) as being a bit different, but I have used that phrasing during playtime, and don't have any problem with people choosing the descriptors they prefer, even if they don't mean the same thing by them that I do. It only is relevant to me if they are getting involved with me. I might disagree with their definition, but I'm not going to get all worked up over it.

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/3/2009 6:51:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InTonguesslut quote: It simply focuses on the recognition of ultimate rights contained in a Master/Mistress relationship and certainly did not address patently illegal actions. CP Perhaps this is why it degenerated into the carnage and mayhem it did. It stands to reason that someone, somewhere, sometime would say legally there are no 'rights' in a D/s relationship. Let's face it legally you don't have the right to make your slave do anything, be anything, say anything etc etc. InTongues Carnage and mayhem ?? truely you jest! I see nothing to suggest that, where did I put my rose colored glasses damn it! CP

greeneyedreamer -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/3/2009 8:23:51 AM)
Well, are you aware that some of us actually communicate for quite a while before we consent to be anyone's Submissive? LOL

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/3/2009 8:49:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite I think both the submissive vs. slave and "no limits" things are mostly a matter of how you phrase things. Intonguesslave and Intonguesslut both have made it pretty clear that they are using "no limits" to mean "our limits are compatible with our Dom/we trust him." In some of my past relationships, limits never really came up, primarily because we weren't doing anything really extreme, and discussed things before doing them most of the time. That doesn't mean that we were truly "no limits," just that we were compatible. I view submission and slavery (in the BDSM sense) as being a bit different, but I have used that phrasing during playtime, and don't have any problem with people choosing the descriptors they prefer, even if they don't mean the same thing by them that I do. It only is relevant to me if they are getting involved with me. I might disagree with their definition, but I'm not going to get all worked up over it. Andalusite, thanks for your thoughts; the key point of the initial thread was communications prior to commitment which is lacking in any depth. CP

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/3/2009 1:29:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: greeneyedreamer Well, are you aware that some of us actually communicate for quite a while before we consent to be anyone's Submissive? LOL dreamer, Indeed I am aware, we call ourselves the traditionalists; welcome to the club. CP

Rover -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/3/2009 1:39:00 PM)
Dang, looks like a great thread. Sorry I missed it. Personally, I divide the issue into two facets. 1. First, as it relates to power, I have my personal power and whatever power over her that she (consensually) grants to me (often stated as the authority to exercise control). 2. Within the context of my own relationships, I have the right to exercise my control in any way I wish... within reason. Of course, that requires that we have a mutual understanding of what is, and isn't, "reasonable" (I have consistently agreed that death and dismemberment is unreasonable). And the fact is that what constitutes "reasonable" often evolves over time as the relationship deepens, and our mutual experiences expand. John

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/4/2009 11:16:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Dang, looks like a great thread. Sorry I missed it. Personally, I divide the issue into two facets. 1. First, as it relates to power, I have my personal power and whatever power over her that she (consensually) grants to me (often stated as the authority to exercise control). 2. Within the context of my own relationships, I have the right to exercise my control in any way I wish... within reason. Of course, that requires that we have a mutual understanding of what is, and isn't, "reasonable" (I have consistently agreed that death and dismemberment is unreasonable). And the fact is that what constitutes "reasonable" often evolves over time as the relationship deepens, and our mutual experiences expand. John John, some wise wisdom contained in those words; thanks for your input. CP

Andalusite -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/4/2009 2:01:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince thanks for your thoughts; the key point of the initial thread was communications prior to commitment which is lacking in any depth. Like I mentioned in my post, I've been in a couple of relationships where we really didn't communicate much about limits beforehand, and only once or twice in the course of the relationship. We focused more on what we DID want to do than what we didn't want to do. [:D] If something came up that one of us didn't want, we'd put it off until we had a chance to communicate about it. We'd come up with an alternative, or change things enough to make it work, or skip it, depending on what the outcome was.

CelticPrince -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/4/2009 3:15:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince thanks for your thoughts; the key point of the initial thread was communications prior to commitment which is lacking in any depth. Like I mentioned in my post, I've been in a couple of relationships where we really didn't communicate much about limits beforehand, and only once or twice in the course of the relationship. We focused more on what we DID want to do than what we didn't want to do. [:D] If something came up that one of us didn't want, we'd put it off until we had a chance to communicate about it. We'd come up with an alternative, or change things enough to make it work, or skip it, depending on what the outcome was. Andalusite, would it then be fair to say that in those relationships, the 'power" did not exist, or was muted? CP

Andalusite -> RE: The Power or " Right" (4/5/2009 12:20:51 AM)
CP, in my first BDSM-oriented relationship I was a Domme, and there was a definite power exchange. That lasted for almost 5 years, and I then had other relationships (top, bottom, and switch, lasting between 3 months and 2 years) over the course of the next 4 1/2 years. Then, I finally started exploring BDSM on the Internet and in my local community - until then, we just figured out what worked for us, collaboratively, rather than focusing on "you can't do this, you must do that" before we even started playing. I don't know that that's necessarily the best approach to take, but it worked for us at the time, and nobody got damaged physically or emotionally by the lack of "limits" pre-negotiation. Usually I brought up my being kinky on the 3rd or 4th date, and we started physical play within a date or two after that.

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