DomKen
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Just a note about whether the allegations of the parents who lost children are to be believed or not: there is always the possibility that something like this could be faked but those people were shedding real tears, there was real evidence that hunter-killer UAV's were used and they do have the capability to discern an unarmed schoolgirl from a Hamas irregular.
I just want to say that I don't recall ever seeing Israeli parents, grieving after a Palestinian attack being viewed coldly and dispassionately as possible fakes.
If you have ever lost a member of your immediate family, let alone a child, you might try to imagine how you would react if someone asked you to spend the rest of your life lying about how they died.
Hundreds of children were killed. Their deaths could not possibly all be accidents. This is a war crime and if Israel is not a terrorist state, someone must be held accountable.
I wouldn't view them as possible fakes if previous events hadn't indicated it was more than a possibility. Remember the man and his son shown around the world huddling at a checkpoint caught between the IDF and palestinian gunmen? Remember the heartbreaking video of him shielding his son? Remember little Mohammed Al-Dura? Did you know it appears it was basically made up to make the IDF look bad? Did you know the news agency that reported the incident lost a court case over an expert saying the entire incident was staged with teh knowledge of the cameraman?
Your statement carries an air of certainty which I don't think you can stand up. The truth of the al-Durrah case, while disputed by some, has definitely not been proved a hoax. In fact, the IDF apologised fairly swiftly for shooting the boy. Later, there were attempts to discredit the account given. We can only guess at the reach of Mossad's propaganda arm and there is obviously a strong incentive for them to pull out all the stops here.
I'm hesitant about wikipedia at the best of times but this entry at least gives an indication of how this narrative has progressed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_al-Durrah
I've followed this case very closely and the wikipedia site is going overboard in trying to be even handed. The french appelate court ruled that the expert who stated that the entire scene was staged was right beyond any reasonable doubt. That was 2 years ago and the french press agency still hasn't appealed that ruling likely because they don't think they can overturn it.
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But let's remember we are still talking about the operation in January. So what's more pertinent here is your underlying assumption: that if one Palestinian lied once, not one of them can ever be considered truthful. And in the unlikely event the al-Durrah case was proven to be faked, you have given no real reason why the hundreds of infanticides in Gaza last January should also be considered fake.
No I presented one very well documented case. There are many more.
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It speaks volumes that you have to justify Operation Cast Lead by talking about the 60s, the 70s etc. What murderer ever used such a defence in court? Are the sins of the father to be visited on the son?
No I justify Operatiopn Cast Lead based solely on the rocket attack against civilians on christmas day, done in the hopes it would not be reported in the west so people like you would blame Isarael. That it has succeeded is a triumph of the uninformed and the bigoted.
Furthermore if nothing from the 70's and before is pertinent then the "refugees" are irrelevant and Hamas is a group with the stated goal of overthrowing a sovereign nation. Do nations have the right to police their territories against violent rebel groups?
< Message edited by DomKen -- 3/25/2009 9:05:15 PM >
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