RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?"

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Mercnbeth -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:38:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth However, if you work for, collect benefits, or have a business requiring a viable GM, Chrysler, or FORD; don't expect any more money from this Administration. The President thought the question was down right "laughable". While chuckling the President said; "The only thing less popular than putting money into banks is putting money into the auto industry," I thought you would be ecstatic over this since we shouldn't reward failure, as you have said endlessly. Indeed I am! Glad he's starting to see it my way and hope he takes and applies that idea throughout his administration.

paul12000 -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:42:46 PM)
Someone is most likely controlling the teleprompter, and he reads whatever is being typed out to him, while notes are generally something that you take a glance at, and go, oh yeah, I need to talk about that. I don't see many people hold a note card in front of them to read directly from it, do you?

rulemylife -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:45:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth However, if you work for, collect benefits, or have a business requiring a viable GM, Chrysler, or FORD; don't expect any more money from this Administration. The President thought the question was down right "laughable". While chuckling the President said; "The only thing less popular than putting money into banks is putting money into the auto industry," I thought you would be ecstatic over this since we shouldn't reward failure, as you have said endlessly. Indeed I am! Glad he's starting to see it my way and hope he takes and applies that idea throughout his administration. Maybe you're right. After all the AIG bullshit, I'm starting to agree.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:50:48 PM)
As far as Obama's speaking goes, He's great at casual, speaking, as in he's wonderful, when the conversation is not of grave importance. However, there doesn't seem to be a switch thus far for him, as in, he always portrays the same intensity when speaking of the breakfast menu, or Financial ruin. Giggle, Giggle, Smile, wink. I do understand laughing at adversity, it is almost certain, that I'd be laughing if a gun was pointed at my head, and thought the trigger would be pulled. Most certainly, that is what happens 5 secs before I completely lose it, its the last attempt for my brain to quell the rage. I laugh at things like a car breaking down in the middle of nowhere in 20 degree weather, and you won't have the money to get it fixed until tomorrow at noon, and of course you forgot the cellphone. It's either laugh or fucking lose it. I get that, that is how I cope in very stressful situations, it works, 90% of the time, but I did bust a window with my fist once, when it didn't work. I didn't realize car windows were so weak. LOL. However, as president, he does not project authority, he projects "nice guy", at some point he must learn to speak with authority. The presidency, or at least the projection thereof, is not Obama, it is as much a role to be played. It represents a Country, he doesn't get the luxury of his personality quirks, and not now, when we are in a situation that is much more dire, IMO, than 9/11, all emotion aside. And before people start on about Bush, yeah, what about Bush, he got ripped on and deservingly so, for his non-presidential behaviour. Maybe, I'm the extreme minority, but some issues aren't giggle material.

rulemylife -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:52:04 PM)
A teleprompter is no different than note cards, just electronic. If this is what all the controversy has been about, let's think this out. Could someone on the other end of the screen really think out a thoughtful answer, type it into the machine, and have him read it in the time allowed?

Lucylastic -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 4:55:14 PM)
aaaaah them liberal no good writers are sneaky , they mind read the hosts.... sneaky no good SOB's

domiguy -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:00:15 PM)
Only seven more years and ten months to determine if our President is punch drunk. lol.

paul12000 -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:01:05 PM)
With today's technology, and if you hire someone who is fast with their fingers, it is quite possible. Just a simple short hand machine could most likely suffice. Type in everything shorthanded, instantly appears as a sentence on the screen, with reader reading it word for word. However, it may be a good idea to have all politicians to get rid of their note cards and teleprompters, and just stick them in the middle of a crowd, and see how well they really do with a question and answer session.

rulemylife -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:03:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou However, as president, he does not project authority, he projects "nice guy", at some point he must learn to speak with authority. The presidency, or at least the projection thereof, is not Obama, it is as much a role to be played. It represents a Country, he doesn't get the luxury of his personality quirks, and not now, when we are in a situation that is much more dire, IMO, than 9/11, all emotion aside. And before people start on about Bush, yeah, what about Bush, he got ripped on and deservingly so, for his non-presidential behaviour. This is exactly what I have a problem with. Turning an elected official into some type of demi-god who is supposed to personify us all. He's a politician, not the second coming of Christ. Just like Bush he is going to do stupid things, and say stupid things. Hopefully less frequently.

kittinSol -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:14:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Turning an elected official into some type of demi-god who is supposed to personify us all. He's a politician, not the second coming of Christ. Just like Bush he is going to do stupid things, and say stupid things. Hopefully less frequently. Funnily, the only people that berate Obama for not behaving like a God are the very ones that object to him in the first place. Nobody I know who voted for him (huh... that's everybody I know in America, then) ever expected him to be a demi-God and to not commit the occasional faux-pas. It's the right-wing pundits like Limbaugh, in their discomfiture, and those voters who never wanted to see him elected, who allude to Obama being 'the One' and other similar bullshit. It's sad, very, very sad [&o] .

winterlight -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:27:15 PM)
I was not happy about his remarks in regards to the Special Olympics. He did apologize. I support him, he is our President and we should grade him on what he does and how well he does it. I do not always agree but i support him. Time will tell what He is REALLY about..After all it is a LEARNING experience for him and he will be judged accordingly...

Owner59 -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 5:34:16 PM)
People on sinking boats get snipie at times.Folks are anxious to be sure and for good reason. Some people are saying he`s doing to much.Others say he`s not doing enough. And yet others tend to just throw bricks.Like the OP. He was laughing at the irony and absurdity of the situation,not at people or their problems(un-like his predecessor).His critics jumped on this basically b/c they have nothing else relevant to say. In fact,the President is going about the business of turning around the biggest financial mess since the great depression and not listening to the shrill noises coming from the bystanders.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 6:47:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou However, as president, he does not project authority, he projects "nice guy", at some point he must learn to speak with authority. The presidency, or at least the projection thereof, is not Obama, it is as much a role to be played. It represents a Country, he doesn't get the luxury of his personality quirks, and not now, when we are in a situation that is much more dire, IMO, than 9/11, all emotion aside. And before people start on about Bush, yeah, what about Bush, he got ripped on and deservingly so, for his non-presidential behaviour. This is exactly what I have a problem with. Turning an elected official into some type of demi-god who is supposed to personify us all. He's a politician, not the second coming of Christ. Just like Bush he is going to do stupid things, and say stupid things. Hopefully less frequently. Wow, so, in your head, me wanting Obama to act "Professional", and not giggle like a schoolgirl when discussing very serious issues, is setting him up as a demigod? Am I saying he should be a robot, nope, am I saying when he is unfortunately the "face" and voice of the United States for a large portion of the world, that he treat serious issues seriously as to project an assuring image. Yep. Demigod? Whatever, more like wishing for common sense. Hardly a quality relegated to the "gods" I'd suggest maybe your standards have been skewed to low because of the last 8 years, not that mine are to high.

FirmhandKY -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/23/2009 9:19:08 PM)
FR: I'm not a particular fan of Obama, nor of his policies. However, based on sitting and watching all of the "60 minutes" interview up to the point of the "punch drunk" question, and his reaction to it, I must say that this seems to be a tempest in a teapot. Even while disagreeing with his political positions, I support "my President" so far (or I am at least withholding final judgment). Distancing myself from my distaste of most of his political positions, I think that he conducted himself pretty well in the interview, and I'm not even sure why Kroft came out with the "punch drunk" comment. I will say that Kroft seem to be saying it in a humorous manner, not as an indictment. Firm

corysub -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/24/2009 12:51:37 AM)
I think it is interesting to watch people wear their support of Obama on their sleeve..."my President, right or wrong" seems to be the mantra. Of course he is the President of all Americans, and if push ever came to shove we will all rally behind the government. However, it doesn't mean that we have to b supportive of his policies if we disagree with the direction they will take the government. We all support America ...but we don't have to support "radical change" if it's against our core principles whether from the right or the left.

domiguy -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/25/2009 11:50:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub I think it is interesting to watch people wear their support of Obama on their sleeve..."my President, right or wrong" seems to be the mantra. Of course he is the President of all Americans, and if push ever came to shove we will all rally behind the government. However, it doesn't mean that we have to b supportive of his policies if we disagree with the direction they will take the government. We all support America ...but we don't have to support "radical change" if it's against our core principles whether from the right or the left. My God! have you taken notice of what exactly transpired over the last eight years? Talk about radical change. All of this is an inherited mess. you were not complaining while it was transpiring. Now that the mess has been left at the President's feet you are complaining about the way he chooses to clean it up. I'm not a big fan of the bailout. it is impossible to know what the exact repercussions would have been have all of these companies would have been allowed to fail. No one knows.

TheHeretic -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/25/2009 5:12:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife A teleprompter is no different than note cards, just electronic. Nonsense. Setting aside all the possible instant features that can be accomplished by putting a teleprompter in front of someone (and that is a whole lot to set aside), the comparison would be to having the full text of a speech in front of you. Note cards are for notes, particular facts, and bullet points/outlines.

rulemylife -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/25/2009 5:56:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: corysub I think it is interesting to watch people wear their support of Obama on their sleeve..."my President, right or wrong" seems to be the mantra. Of course he is the President of all Americans, and if push ever came to shove we will all rally behind the government. However, it doesn't mean that we have to b supportive of his policies if we disagree with the direction they will take the government. We all support America ...but we don't have to support "radical change" if it's against our core principles whether from the right or the left. It would be really interesting to know if you also said this about those who didn't believe we should have went into Iraq after 9/11. Were you supporting those then that felt it was "against our core principles"?

rulemylife -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/25/2009 6:11:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife A teleprompter is no different than note cards, just electronic. Nonsense. Setting aside all the possible instant features that can be accomplished by putting a teleprompter in front of someone (and that is a whole lot to set aside), the comparison would be to having the full text of a speech in front of you. Note cards are for notes, particular facts, and bullet points/outlines. Well, I have to admit, I don't know much about teleprompters. But to my knowledge, they are just an electronic means of what would be on note cards or a full written speech. There are many people who give speeches that do have the full written text in front of them that they read.

TheHeretic -> RE: "Mr. President; Are you 'Punch-drunk'?" (3/25/2009 6:45:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife There are many people who give speeches that do have the full written text in front of them that they read. Yep. The big difference (technical goodies aside, again) between the hard copy text and the teleprompter is how easily you can tell how much it is being relied on. Put sheets of paper on a lectern, the audience can easily see it is being glanced at, referred to heavily, or if someone is staring at it the whole time. Put out a few teleprompters, at a higher line of sight, the illusion of extemporaneous speech is much easier to create. The charge getting thrown out at President Obama over it is that he never takes his eyes off the damn thing. Getting back towards the OP, I think the phrase "punch drunk" was being used in a much less clinical sort of way than some see it. More like those minutes when the adrenaline is wearing off, and the endorphins are kicking in after some sort of violent physical encounter. I'm finding I like Obama's jokes, even as I know he is going to catch hell for them.

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