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heartcream -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:09:59 PM)

Okay I will bite. Ghosts for the most part are sad really. They are too sad, freaked out, enraged or guilty to let themselves go to the next level, to speed up and go to the Speed of Light and get the heck outta here.

Some people are more sensitive than others and can percieve so it is not really so much believing as it is having experiences others have not.

An irritated ghost will certainly disturb irritating people and I like that. Less irritating ghosts--beings with stories to tell/get off their chest/needing an ear to confess or express to will do things to get attention.

Sometimes once the now lost spirit is made aware of, I think it makes that spirit much happier especially if the ghostbusters/witches/sensitive conscious ones are brought in.

Personally I have ghost busted enough homes to know it is real and know it can be done. People like me were bbq'd in the old days, I mean even knowing how to grow and use herbal medicines would get your carcass fried to a hideous crisp. Even women who had freaky sex, or even simply sex out of wedlock, expected gender, would be cooked raw, so let's not go all buggy over the use of the word witch.

What folks dont get is ghosts do not belong here, so if you have one and are pretending you like it and making a home for it, it is like making a home and welcoming dust. Declaring your own space as your own is an important distiguishment to make at the get-go and through out the process.

The bulk of the busting/sending to the Light I have done has involved women. Their stories unknown to the rest of the world, they died having had bad things happen and no one knew and they could not leave for their sense of deep injury and injustice.

On woman died all alone in her apartment and wanted someone to know what it was like for her, her dreams and aspirations. She died so entirely alone she thought no one on the entire planet knew a thing about her.

I am not fond of the gnarly ones. I have busted at least one of these and I need help for their clearance, male help.

There are also Shadows. They are not full-on ghosts but memories, imprints. Usually connected to extremely intese remorse, regret, like the man who accidently killed the young girl because he was drunk. That sort is looking for forgiveness and acknowledgement of their regret, sorrow, apology.

When a being dies they have 40 days to circle round the place visiting, touching, seeing and learning how the rev up to the next dimensions will be, like they are in school for it. At this time is an excellent time to to connect to the dead loved ones. This is the time they can heavily infiltrate dreams and private moments.

Halloween is the night the atmosphere on Earth is the thinnest so this is also a good time to light a candle get still and connect to the ones you love with or without fur or wings (if you ever loved a bird).

Then of course their are beings that are not of the Human species. These may appear like flickers at the corner of your eye for one example.





aravain -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:19:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

Okay I will bite. Ghosts for the most part are sad really. They are too sad, freaked out, enraged or guilty to let themselves go to the next level, to speed up and go to the Speed of Light and get the heck outta here.



Hmm, I don't really agree with that assessment, or on the idea that they don't "belong" here. Then again, I have a wildly different take on most things compared to more 'traditional' pagans :)




califsue -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:30:27 PM)

I think anything is possible and certainly have had spirits come around and visit, leave messages with
me for friends and loved ones left behind.




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:37:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim
My Lady's apartment has something in it that is not She, nor I, nor either of her dogs.  She has felt it, and now so have I.  One of her dogs acknowledged it this morning in a "stand there and just stare" as whatever it was came down the stairs as I was getting coffee.  There is a definable change in air and the feel of the area and I felt it as I went upstairs.  Then I heard a very clear noise in the bedroom from the bathroom and both dogs were downstairs.  No way it came from a window or wind or inanimate object falling.   My Lady has felt something get into the bed with her when I was out of the room.   It does not feel malicious at all.

Last night we played.  It was intense and emotional and energy was definately flowing.  And so it got me wondering...IF there are such things as spirits/ghosts/energy beings...might they be attracted to the strong emotion and energy exchange that goes on during a play session?  

And have any of you ever experienced anything like this?   Or have I "gone 'round the bend" and should just check myself into Betty Ford right now? 


I wouldn't be surprised if you were on to something there. I've thought about that quite a bit myself, as a matter of fact - not so much in terms of the type of energy that emerges during BDSM, but just intense, chaotic energy in general. I lived in a house like that once myself. We had one friend who was so uneasy the minute he first walked in the door, he would never go any further into the house than the living room. And he wasn't shy about telling us why. There were parts of the house the cat absolutely refused to go under any circumstances, and there were other parts where he would sometimes come in but was clearly very freaked out, and he wouldn't stay long. There were several times when he seemed to be resting peacefully somewhere, and he'd suddenly jump up, eyes wide with terror, and bolt from the room. Scared the hell out of us every time he did that, damn him. He also used to spend enormous amounts of time just sitting and watching two particular doors, sometimes for hours at a stretch, his ears perked forward and his tail swishing the whole time. Yeah, I know, cats are weird, but... this was different. I've been around cats all  my life, and this was a very unusual way even for cats to behave. You just had to be there.

And we humans noticed a lot of things that just weren't right, way too many to be explained away. One common theme was that doors would somehow lock themselves, often with the key to the deadbolt lock still inside the room, and once with a hook latch on a room with no other exit. Another common occurrence was that jackets, hung on hooks by cloth loops on the inside of the collars, would become twisted so tightly around the metal hooks that in one case I couldn't get it off without cutting the cloth loop. The most significant event occurred one rainy morning when my girlfriend and I heard a whistling  noise in the hallway, like a human whistling, and it moved around the hall, up and down two staircases that flanked the bedroom door, and back and forth in the downstairs hallway that connected the two stairways. It would often stop, then suddenly begin again somewhere in a completely different spot; one time that it suddenly started again was right outside the bedroom door, and we both practically had heart attacks. It went on for about 20 or 25 minutes, and not once during that time did we hear a single floorboard creaking in the halls or on the stairs - which, in  that 100-year old house, would have been impossible had it been a human.

The reason I came to associate this with energy levels? My girlfriend was bipolar, and when she lost her father her condition became increasingly unstable over a period of several months. That's when the freaky shit really started happening. The more her condition worsened, and the more intense and volatile her energy became, the worse these events became in our house. The worse a day she was having, the more likely it was that something extremely bizarre was going to happen. There's very little question in my mind that there was some sort of correlation. So yeah, I do believe that whatever it is that's behind this sort of thing does feed off of the emotional energy that people experience when they're feeling something very intensely. You could definitely be onto something.




OttersSwim -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:48:15 PM)

Insightful and interesting comments thus far, thank you.  [:)]

What is interesting is that we played last night in the bedroom, not in the play space.  In the play space, we have never felt anything but really good and calming energy.  I am thinking it is because we both have put so much work into creating it.  The bedroom seems to be where we both have now sensed something so I am guessing that whatever it is, likes hanging out up there.  Last night's play may have [pun]whipped it up[/pun] a bit.  It was interesting that it chose to follow me downstairs and spooked the dog.






heartcream -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 1:50:57 PM)

Did someone call me a pagan? Yikes no, I wouldnt call myself a pagan.

From what I can tell Earth is not the right place for ghosts, sure they are here in varying forms of stuckness etc but this is not where they belong.




Phoenixpower -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 2:07:44 PM)

Whereas I don't believe too much into it on the other hand I don't dismiss it as I believe that there are things between heaven and earth which we don't necessarily know or can explain. We have a regular show in my country of origin at night time where people call a guy and talk with him about all sort of stuff and he is one of the rare guys in the media who gives really good advice. There once a woman talked about that her 3 or 4 year old daughter that she started to mention any name, saying that her daughter said she would have been visited by this person at night time (once or more often, don't remember that anymore precisely). however they figured out at some point that her daughter seems to have seen her own grandmother (which died before she was born) as she recognised her on an old pictures which they started to show to her. Also last year a friend of me, her dad passed away and at some point her niece started to refuse to sleep in her parents house anymore as she said she would have seen grandpa and so started to be frightened. However, as I don't know what to say I show you an article which was popular here online a while ago and will email you private in a minute someone else you can contact about it if you want to.

However, here are the articles:

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/blood-spots-on-quilt-force-family-to-flee-haunted--mansion-13979701.html


http://www.ukpreneur.co.uk/1404/anwar-rashid-haunted-by-bankruptcy/




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 2:09:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Insightful and interesting comments thus far, thank you.  [:)]

What is interesting is that we played last night in the bedroom, not in the play space.  In the play space, we have never felt anything but really good and calming energy.  I am thinking it is because we both have put so much work into creating it.  The bedroom seems to be where we both have now sensed something so I am guessing that whatever it is, likes hanging out up there.  Last night's play may have [pun]whipped it up[/pun] a bit.  It was interesting that it chose to follow me downstairs and spooked the dog.


The...uh... whatever that I was talking about seemed to follow us long after we left the house where we first encountered it. I'm convinced there was a core of malevolence inside of it that drove it to attach itself to my girlfriend, and I'm not at all certain it didn't have something to do with her dead father. It only manifested itself in her life when we were together, and one day - years after we broke up - when I had her over for dinner, all the coats in my house were twisted around the coathooks the next morning.  I think that whatever the true nature is of the phenomenon we're discussing here, it's a lot more complex than even people who are very much in touch with it realize.

As a slight aside, I would highly recommend to anyone in this thread (except for Domiguy, who'd just get annoyed by it) a book called "The Inhabited World," by David Long. It's an excellent novel; the story of a man who's been dead for about 10 years, but still inhabits the house in which he committed suicide. He doesn't really understand why, and he only vaguely remembers his suicide and the events that led to it, but over the years - as he observes the lives of the people and families who move in and out of his old house - he gradually comes to remember more and more, and understand what happened to him. And how he allowed it to happen. And what it cost him, and the people who loved him. It's a very well-written book, a terrific read. In fact, I'm going to go dig it out and read it again tonight.

By candlelight.

While I watch "The Shining".

And maybe afterward, "The Haunting."

The original "Haunting."

With "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" in the CD player...

Anyone want to come over?




LaTigresse -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 2:12:54 PM)

I don't DO scary movies!




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 2:15:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I don't DO scary movies!


Well, then you pick the movie! I've got 1200 of 'em on DVD. Think I'm going to try to call the shots and set the agenda when you're in the room? My momma never raised no fools!




crazyredhead1957 -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 2:50:48 PM)

Okay, i can't believe i am actually admitting to this, as alot of people will probably say i'm a crackpot.....well, who cares.  Yes, i have had encounters with spirits.  i used to be a total skeptic, but since then i have had encounters with spirits of deceased loved ones, human and feline, and they were all benevolent.  Also, i have encountered spirits at a care facility where i used to work as the overnight charge nurse.  i talke it all in stride.




BKSir -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 3:03:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: crazyredhead1957

Okay, i can't believe i am actually admitting to this, as alot of people will probably say i'm a crackpot.....well, who cares.  Yes, i have had encounters with spirits.  i used to be a total skeptic, but since then i have had encounters with spirits of deceased loved ones, human and feline, and they were all benevolent.  Also, i have encountered spirits at a care facility where i used to work as the overnight charge nurse.  i talke it all in stride.


Ghost kitties are awesome!  We've had one following us for about 12 years now.  Yes we have some real live furballs, but when you clearly watch 3 grey cats go by and you only have 2, or when one jumps up on the bed, and you know you feel it jump up and curl up and lay down, and there's no cat in the room with a closed door... yeah.  The part with watching 3 of them chasing through the house when there's only 2 still kind of weirds me out sometimes. But we've gotten to the point with sleeping and feeling it jump up, of just saying "Good night ghost kitty."




Lockit -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 3:09:42 PM)

I once had two parrots...  One was killed at the hands of an evil person.  The one killed used to try and mess with the other bird.  He was always trying to hump the poor lil thing and would chase it around, but since that one could get through the bar's Popeye couldn't get to it.  But the lil one was always being messed with.  Well Popeye spoke a bit and would always say hello.  He would strut across the perch repeating hello and chasing the other bird.

Three days after Popeye died... I heard... hello!  That lil bird jumped and turned round and round looking for Popeye.  The lil one heard Popeye far more than I did and would often act like it was trying to get away from Popeye or was looking below into the cage just like it used to do when Popeye was alive.  I was the only human that heard Popeye as I was the only one Popeye liked I guess... but lot's of people saw that lil bird running from something just like it did when Popeye was around.




Vendaval -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 3:42:28 PM)

Hello Otter,
 
Do you feel uncomfortable?  Do the two of you want this energy gone from the house?  Or is everyone, doggie included, feeling fine about the presence?
 
Common methods to cleanse a house include burning sage or other herbs, incense, white candles, salt and prayers.  There are several people here who can help advise you on the process.





OttersSwim -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:09:19 PM)

I think we are okay with it.  I don't think it is at all hostile. It was just a little unnerving this morning to have the dog do the stare thing and be able to actually feel something come down the stairs, and then hear the sound right outside the door with all living things other than me on completely different floors. 

We have another friend who is very sensitive to spirits and can apparently talk to them.  We are going to get him over in the next few weeks and see if he senses anything.  Much appreciation for the concern though.  [:)]




domiguy -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:16:57 PM)

I have been kind of a buzzkill of late. I really would like to see a ghost, get slimed or have my body get taken over by some demonic force which forces me to decapitate those closest to me.  So Cool.

It sucks being a nonbeliever.  I don't believe in psychics. I don't believe in bdsm.  I don't believe that George Bush was a good President..I don't believe in magic, I don't believe in the bible,  I don't believe in Jesus, I don't believe in Buddha, I don't believe in mantra, I don't believe in Beatles.

I do believe in spooks. I do believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in spooks.

It's all so confusing.




BKSir -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:19:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have been kind of a buzzkill of late. I really would like to see a ghost, get slimed or have my body get taken over by some demonic force which forces me to decapitate those closest to me.  So Cool.

It sucks being a nonbeliever.  I don't believe in psychics. I don't believe in bdsm.  I don't believe that George Bush was a good President..I don't believe in magic, I don't believe in the bible,  I don't believe in Jesus, I don't believe in Buddha, I don't believe in mantra, I don't believe in Beatles.

I do believe in spooks. I do believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in spooks.

It's all so confusing.


You don't believe in The Beatles!? O.O  BURN THE HERETIC!




Aynne88 -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:21:47 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: domiguy

I have been kind of a buzzkill of late. I really would like to see a ghost, get slimed or have my body get taken over by some demonic force which forces me to decapitate those closest to me.  So Cool.

It sucks being a nonbeliever.  I don't believe in psychics. I don't believe in bdsm.  I don't believe that George Bush was a good President..I don't believe in magic, I don't believe in the bible,  I don't believe in Jesus, I don't believe in Buddha, I don't believe in mantra, I don't believe in Beatles.

I do believe in spooks. I do believe in spooks. I do, I do, I do, I do, I do believe in spooks.

It's all so confusing.


Nah, this is proof of who believes in ghosts domi.  [;)].


http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2007/10/27/one-third-of-americans-believe-in-ghosts-ufos-and-george-w-bush/




kidwithknife -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:41:27 PM)

The real question for me is does believing you're experiencing a ghostly presence make life more fun and/or interesting at the current time.

If so, believe in them. If not, don't.  Forget objective reality.

Beliefs are a tool, don't let them constrain you.




SailingBum -> RE: BDSM Attracting...Ghosts...Spirits... (3/27/2009 4:42:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I read that ghosts are attracted to the dull and dimwitted.  If this was a universal truth, I wonder how many now would have proclaimed to have seen a ghost?

Why don't people see ghosts of famous actors?  You would think that one of these vain narcissistic fucks would come back and haunt someone.

I am being haunted by Richard Mulligan.  I think he left this world unfulfilled with the work he did on "Soap."


NO WAY Burt's  dead???  That was the COOLEST show before it went drama later in the series.  I have that image of him disappering.   My Dad comes around every year near St pat's <long Story> to say hi to me.

BadOne




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