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Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 9:04:03 AM   
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WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday ordered 4,000 more military troops into Afghanistan, vowing to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat" the terrorist al-Qaida network in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan.

In a war that still has no end in sight, Obama said the fresh infusion of U.S. forces is designed to bolster the Afghan army and turn up the heat on terrorists that he said are plotting new attacks against Americans. The plan takes aim at terrorist havens in Pakistan and challenges the government there and in Afghanistan to show more results.

Obama called the situation in the region "increasingly perilous" more than seven years after the Taliban was removed from power in Afghanistan.

"If the Afghanistan government falls to the Taliban or allows al-Qaida to go unchallenged," Obama said, "that country will again be a base for terrorists."............................................................


Yet Obama bluntly warned that the al-Qaida terrorists who masterminded the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks were actively planning further attacks on the United States from safe havens in Pakistan. And he said the Afghanistan government is in peril of falling to the Islamic militants of the Taliban once again.

"So I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat al-Qaida in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future," the president said.

"That is the goal that must be achieved," Obama added. "That is a cause that could not be more just. And to the terrorists who oppose us, my message is the same: we will defeat you."
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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 12:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		when will Obama do what the generals ask for the mission and actually support them with the proper additional troops requested for the operation.  Hes still about 10,000 troops short off what is required.
In Iraq Bush supported the surge based on what the generals asked.  While Obama in Afghanistan is doing a half to 2/3rds surge of what the Generals need to succeed...


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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 1:09:19 PM   
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So far, Obama's actions in relation to Muslim extremism generally meets with my approval.

After all, it's pretty much the Bush doctrine.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 1:42:43 PM   
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Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead.
 
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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:12:35 PM   
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Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead.
 
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Isolationism doesn't work.

I hope that we do retain that one hard earned bit of knowledge from the 20th century.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:18:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Soldiers at our borders and our ports of entry.....sounds like something out of the Soviet's playbook,does it not?
In addition it occurs to me we being a fairly large country....other routes of entry would by necessity open up.Thereby stretching our capacities to defend such large tracts....radical fundamentalism and other such evils flourish ,while we wait behind our "secure" borders.
I don't think that's the way to go ,seems like plain old isolationism to me.....with the world getting smaller every day this failed strategy of the early 20th century has no place in a 21st century world.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:21:29 PM   
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Isolationism doesn't work.

And who said anything about isolationism, besides you I mean?
 
The policy or doctrine of isolating one's country from the affairs of other nations by declining to enter into alliances, foreign economic commitments, international agreements, etc.
 
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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:24:53 PM   
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Soldiers at our borders and our ports of entry.....sounds like something out of the Soviet's playbook,does it not?

Fuck, another one? Jeeez. Who said anything about soldiers at our borders and ports of entry. I said (follow me closely here) p-e-r-s-o-n-n-e-l ...as in manpower, get it? You two drinking the same water or something?
 
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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:31:27 PM   
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Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead.
 
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Isolationism doesn't work.

I hope that we do retain that one hard earned bit of knowledge from the 20th century.


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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:44:17 PM   
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when will Obama do what the generals ask for the mission and actually support them with the proper additional troops requested for the operation.  Hes still about 10,000 troops short off what is required.
In Iraq Bush supported the surge based on what the generals asked.  While Obama in Afghanistan is doing a half to 2/3rds surge of what the Generals need to succeed...


Thats a double edged sword Mastershake,if Bush and Chaney had used the troops "the Generals" had recommended be used in the first place,"the surge"would never have been needed.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The generals couldn't be happier.  Don't worry taxpayers, everything is going exactly according to plan.  Obama saying what he said, is the same drivel that we heard for the last few years.  Obama announced that he's keeping Guantanamo open for 'at least another year' and that we're not pulling out of Iraq.  More troops to Afghanistan.  Continued sabre-rattling at Iran and Pakistan.  Calls for European support.  Continued giving of the finger to the U.N.'s denouncement of our invasions.  More money to the Pentagon.  Another bailout.  Furtherance of the Council On Foreign Relations' plan to institute the North American Union.  This is change I can believe in. 


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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:52:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead.
 
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Isolationism doesn't work.

I hope that we do retain that one hard earned bit of knowledge from the 20th century.
Lets review here for a minute and see who's drinking what water.
You speculate on the utility of having our troops halfway aroun the world,suggest that a corresponding number of "personnel"(if not soldiers,from what ranks are you pulling these people)on our borders would be more useful.And scoff when it is pointed  out that this sounds like isolationism.Too funny,split hairs all you want  Kirata...sounds like isolationism to me.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 2:58:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, the generals told Rumsfeld that we'd need 450,000 troops to properly secure Iraq.  Rumsfeld, bless his heart, assigned 160,000.  Perhaps a simple mistake.  Perhaps a calculated decision so that we'd be mired into a tarbaby that saps the U.S. taxpayers' money for years.  The 'troop surge' of 20,000 more troops that Bush & McCain supported was a joke, another backhand to the American people which is a loving way to say 'we're not coming home anytime soon'.  Mission Accomplished.  "The War is not meant to be won, The War is meant to be continued".

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:19:30 PM   
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Sounds like more of the: "we must fight them in their countries" routine.

Barack Obama is a fairly intelligent man, so he must understand that you could invade nations from here to eternity and you wouldn't 'stop' either outfit, primarily because you can't 'stop' an idea.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:33:39 PM   
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Actually, the generals told Rumsfeld that we'd need 450,000 troops to properly secure Iraq.  Rumsfeld, bless his heart, assigned 160,000.  Perhaps a simple mistake.  Perhaps a calculated decision so that we'd be mired into a tarbaby that saps the U.S. taxpayers' money for years.  The 'troop surge' of 20,000 more troops that Bush & McCain supported was a joke, another backhand to the American people which is a loving way to say 'we're not coming home anytime soon'.  Mission Accomplished.  "The War is not meant to be won, The War is meant to be continued".



I hate to come off as a conspiracy theorist, but I think this statement is all too true.

Eisenhower warned of the military-industrial complex and in my lifetime we have been a country that is constantly at war or involved in someone else's conflict.

But Afghanistan is our conflict.

We were attacked and the people who attacked us have never been brought to justice.


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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:37:55 PM   
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Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (AP)



Sounds like more of the: "we must fight them in their countries" routine.

Barack Obama is a fairly intelligent man, so he must understand that you could invade nations from here to eternity and you wouldn't 'stop' either outfit, primarily because you can't 'stop' an idea.


No, but you can stop the people actively promoting the ideas.

But more importantly, I think this is a matter of simple justice.

Bin-Laden and Mullah Omar are still free 7+ years after engaging in murder.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:43:11 PM   
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We were attacked and the people who attacked us have never been brought to justice.



Or you could say that the West (in more recent times the United States) has been bullying countries with far less firepower for a long time.....and a fraction of the debt was repaid. You could keep going until the debt is repaid in full, or you could quit while you're ahead.

Justice? Bollocks. The US has a long history of imposing it's version of 'justice' inside the borders of unwilling foreign nations.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:45:12 PM   
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But more importantly, I think this is a matter of simple justice.

Bin-Laden and Mullah Omar are still free 7+ years after engaging in murder.



Dear me. Look, when the United States has its house in order, then clamour for justice.

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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:53:23 PM   
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But more importantly, I think this is a matter of simple justice.

Bin-Laden and Mullah Omar are still free 7+ years after engaging in murder.



Dear me. Look, when the United States has its house in order, then clamour for justice.
Fuck that Northerngent,over 3,000 innocents went about their humdrum business one morning...and perished as a result of BinLaden and co's crime.Justice is just what the American people demand.


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RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped - 3/27/2009 3:56:34 PM   
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You speculate on the utility of having our troops halfway aroun the world,suggest that a corresponding number of "personnel" on our borders would be more useful.

I flatly and emphatically did not suggest that it would be more useful. I said that I sometimes wonder "how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with" an effort of the same magnitude aimed at better securing our borders and ports of entry here at home. And I would greatly appreciate it if you would cease attributing to me things that I did not say and opinions that I do not hold. Thank you.
 
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