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ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 2:52:31 AM)
NONE of the Bush's were ever "christians" and neither was our presence in the middle-east during the "war OF terror" any far-fetched form of "christian extremism" at all, in the least. A better term would be better applied as "Eugenics Mass-Murder" both here at home during the 9/11 Attacks, as well as overseas during our incursions into Iraq, and Afghanistan (and barely 2 days after Barack Obama became President, the missile strikes into Pakistan). In fact it is even RUMORED that Barbara Pierce (aka Barbara Bush, G.W. Bush's mother and wife of former president G.H.W. Bush) had sex-ritual ties with the late Satanist, Aleister Crowley, before he died) The "Bush Doctrine" is the same as the tentative "Barack Obama Doctrine", as: 1. Both George Bush (Senior and Junior) AND Barack Obama, all work for the same New World Order, 2. both are puppet dictators since 9/11 3. both hired lobbyists from Global elite think-tanks to staff their Cabinet and Administration 4. both have refused or neglected to indict or in any way assail the other based on "party differences" regarding Executive Orders Bush signed which Obama promised to counter-act. This has yet to happen, 3 months now out. Obviously they are protecting each other. 5. both are shills for AIPAC and are avid supporters of Zionism, which many mainstream Jewish rabbis condemn. 6. both work for (and during their election campaigns) were both supported by the SAME elite bankers, executives, and investors who CAUSED not only the PROBLEM of the current financial crisis but which offer their own "solution" in the form of a new global currency. Thus they both employ the Hegelian Dialectic in fooling the masses of American sheeple. 7. both raised no fanfare themselves during the final election weeks, but instead waited calmly to be "installed" into office. (Witness the hoopla over Al Gore's 2000 presidential bid vs. George Bush's own behavior that same year. Obama behaved the same way: quiet confidence without self-stirred fanfare like Al Gore whipped up, because Obama, like Bill Clinton before him, was tapped or "hand-picked" over Hillary to become the next President at the 2008 Bilderberg Conference in Chantilly, VA) 8. Both have NEVER presented any "fruits" of a Christian life. Christians do not "bomb Pakistan" after barely 2 days in office, nor do they wreak REAL psychological fearmongering terrorism upon the American people both during and post-9/11 as Bush did. No christianity there, nope. 9. Both have been COUNTING ON YOU to "believe" and schlepp along with them as they tout their constant illusion of lies and false demeanor of being "christian" yet all the while betraying every facet of the spiritual life in their words, deeds, and actions. They are constant deceivers and it is actually KNOWN that Bush Sr. as well as Cheney, were heavily involved in REAL sex-slave rings, bacchanalistic orgies in forested groves during occult rituals, and using mind control upon unwitting people, NOT JUST while in the CIA. 10. Being inter-related as ALL 43 of our past Presidents have been, is hardly "christian" when you consider that many rich families of the "elite" are KNOWN for inter-marrying with each other and actively carrying on incestual relations and thereafter "out-sourcing" parental duties to other foster members of the inter-related family so that the outside world finds it troublesome to trace their obfuscated birthlines. Christianity itself believes in TRUTH available to all, right out in the wide open. The Elites are 180 degrees opposite of that and believe in secret rites and Satanic rituals that present only esoteric truth meant for initiates only. This includes the Bush family. NOT CHRISTIAN! 10. Both either actively worked for OR ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON the furthering of the cause and creation of the North American Union, the Trans-Texas Corridor part of the NASCO Corridor (NAFTA Superhighway), the "Continental Border Security Zone", all parts of the Security and Prosperity Partnership signed in 2005 by Bush and the leaders of Mexico and Canada. Barack Obama said he intends on supporting this cause further and carrying on the work that Bush and co. started. This is UN-Constitutional AT LEAST!! And the fruits of this work could only be anti-christian as it leads toward a One World Government which the Anti-christ himself will soon sit atop of. I could go on and on and on but until people here start reading the books I have, they won't know any of this. Off-hand sources: The Bible (yes I actually know it) Fritz Springmeier's HUGE book "Bloodlines of the Illuminati" Russ Baker's new book "Family of Secrets" about the Bush family crimes - http://www.FamilyOfSecrets.com/ (I have not read it all yet, but have been listening to interviews with the author) Alex Jones' new documentary movie: http://www.TheObamaDeception.net/ Alex Jones' news website and talk radio show: http://www.InfoWars.com/ Various other 9/11 Truth related sites and Occult research organizations like: Counter-Cult / Apologetics / Polemic books like "Kingdom of the Cults" by Dr. Walter Martin, at the Christian Research Institute: http://www.Equip.org/ Constance Cumbey's nightly radio talk show and occult research website - http://cumbey.blogspot.com/ and Pastor Texe Marrs' books regarding connections between the New World Order and the Occult: "Codex Magica" and "Circle of Intrigue": http://www.TexeMarrs.com/ Dr. Ankerberg's exhaustive apologestics books and research website: http://www.Ankerberg.com/ ---- quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland Bush doctrine.? Oh, you mean Christian extremism. :) quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY So far, Obama's actions in relation to Muslim extremism generally meets with my approval. After all, it's pretty much the Bush doctrine. [8D][:)] Firm

ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 3:18:48 AM)
When will Obama RETURN to his ORIGINAL campaign promises of pulling all the troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as HE HIMSELF SAID and then later de-graduated from: "Immediately" to "somewhere within the next 12 months" to "somewhere within the next 2 years" to ... NOW keeping them there "indefinitely" PLUS adding or shifting more over to Afghanistan and soon Pakistan. And a brewing yet constantly "Allies"-provocateured conflict with Iran was barely and narrowly avoided, just before Obama came into office! Obama is a LIAR, and just like Bush. As Lou Dobbs said, the "new boss" is starting to look a whole lot like the "old boss". quote: ORIGINAL: MasterShake69 when will Obama do what the generals ask for the mission and actually support them with the proper additional troops requested for the operation. Hes still about 10,000 troops short off what is required. In Iraq Bush supported the surge based on what the generals asked. While Obama in Afghanistan is doing a half to 2/3rds surge of what the Generals need to succeed...

ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 3:27:47 AM)
WHAT "muslim extremism"? Have you seen any first-hand? If you are meaning the "cause" and effect of the original 9/11 Hi-jackers, then you are either seriously deluded or just merely naive or ignorant (no offense but 19 of them are all still alive and wondering why they were put on the news, whereas Osama Bin Laden has BEEN DEAD since at least 2000 or BEFORE the assassination of once-exiled and former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazhir Bhutto, as she herself said it). Yes all those tapes you keep seeing on CNN with the fake muslim wearing the cheesy stick-on mustache and beard, the chintzy gold rings (which are illegal to wear, in Islam) and writing with the WRONG HAND (Bin Laden was a lefty not a righty) were ALL FAKED by sloppy and lousy propaganda arms of the CIA/NSA, and crafted to brainwash you into further believing in the Bush Administration's CRAFTED propaganda that IS the "War OF Terror". WAKE UP, SHEEPLE! BUSH KNEW on and before 9/11! quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY So far, Obama's actions in relation to Muslim extremism generally meets with my approval. After all, it's pretty much the Bush doctrine. [8D][:)] Firm

ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 3:40:09 AM)
Kirata I agree with your assessment. And I believe, so would most Libertarians and supporters of Ron Paul who said almost the same thing, that is: that we should bring all our troops back and protect OUR OWN borders instead of "meddling" in other nations' affairs like we did in 1953 when our own CIA assassinated the then-President of Iran, Moosedeq. Which Ron Paul (and others like him) have now blamed as being 1 of the many the origin points for ALL of our EVIL foreign policies in the Middle East which have only caused what is known in the CIA as "blow-back", a term for violent ramifications (think of a bomb blowing up in a terrorist's face - only our own U.S. military industrial complex are the REAL terrorists) - such as the attacks on 9/11/2001. The "War OF Terror" is a failed device of Neo-con (and now neo-lib) "Pax Americana" and Empire-building and is only interested in protecting Heroin-producing Opium-poppy fields and to-be-built oil pipelines in Afghanistan and currently existing pipelines in Iraq. STILL, even 8 years after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, barely 2% (TWO percent!) of all our seafaring shipping containers are ever inspected by contingents of the Dept. of Homeland Security - the remaining 98% cruise right on through without nary a look or a fearful nagging curiosity. 98% of all goods transported into this country via shipping containers (most of which ends up in our happy little Wal-Marts courtesy of China and NAFTA+GATT) are NEVER INSPECTED. WE ARE ENTIRELY VULNERABLE to any future or present "terrorist threats" as Bush said could happen yet turned around and showed he did not care by actually RECTIFYING this situation. Which is why we get lead-poisoning toys and TOXIC MELAMINE-filled bottles of baby formula from China as well. Things REALLY get put into perspective when you consider that the PLANS to invade Afghanistan to hunt-down Osama Bin-Laden and "Al Qaeda" (A 1979 CIA creation by the way), WERE ALREADY ON PRESIDENT BUSH's DESK WAITING TO BE SIGNED, even BEFORE the attacks of 9/11/2001!!! NOW THINK ABOUT THAT!! quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~FR~ Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead. K.

ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 3:47:34 AM)
One need not be "isolationist" in order to simply mind only one's own business and not other's. Wouldn't you agree? If you only knew of how much EVIL the United States has committed abroad, by meddling in other countries' affairs and strong-arming them with the brutality of the IMF and World Bank, committing "Financial Terrorism" upon those foreign nations LONG BEFORE they committed treason by doing it to THEIR OWN CITIZENS (us, Americans) on our own shores on last Sept. 22nd 2008, then you would be all for at least protecting our own borders and minding our own business, let alone to say any "Isolationism" of foreign policy. Who are the real "terrorists"? WE ARE (and by that I mean the U.S. Military-Industrial complex). And in more ways than one! Ever read what is known as the "MIAC Report" recently? For the purposes of identifying "domestic threats" to Homeland Security, the Missouri Information and Analysis Center ( http://www.MIACX.org/ ) advised the Missouri State Police by labeling all freedom-loving American citizens as actually being "Terrorists" also! It was OUTRAGEOUS! (That includes some of us, if any here actually value LIBERTY and being "left the hell alone" by their Government ... I would imagine). Did you know about that? I can show you all 8 pages of the scanned documents ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/police-trained-nationwide-that-informed-americans-are-domestic-terrorists.html ) which were leaked to the alternative press, and which, upon discovery by Missouri's state government, Missouri's Governor Jay Nixon ended up condemning the report and the Lt. Governor was then heard advising the Commissioner of State Police to step down from office. YES this story is TRUE but barely any of you might know about it because we are too busy obsessing over American Idol. Uggh.... quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata ~FR~ Given the number of troops we have deployed half-way around the world in Afganistan and Iraq, at great cost and risk to life, I sometimes have to wonder how the benefit of that to our national security would compare with the benefit of having that many additional personnel on our borders and at our ports of entry instead. K. Isolationism doesn't work. I hope that we do retain that one hard earned bit of knowledge from the 20th century.

NormalOutside -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 4:07:11 AM)
If I were American, other than moving away and becoming not American asap, I would be incredibly upset about the War of Terror. Virtually none of the wars being fought now (or recently) are legal, moral, or a good idea. None of the 100 countries the US currently has military bases in need US military bases. Bring every American home except those on vacations or business trips, I say. I've said that for 2 years, since I first looked at politics (and haven't been able to stop doing so). I'm a problem fixer, it's what I like doing. When I discovered politics, I knew I had many and unlimited source of problems to investigate (and hopefully do something about other than complain).

ProphetPX -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 4:09:21 AM)
"Soldiers at our borders and our ports of entry....." Yet this is exactly what happened later in the day OF and following the attacks of 9/11 and lasted for nearly a year and a half, where you could barely walk into any airport without seeing National Guard and U.S. Army troops standing side-by-side bearing real automatic assault weapons in full-view of the American public, there to "defend America" but VIOLATING THE "POSSE COMMITATUS" act of 1857! And now, since October 1st 2008, it was authorized to allow the actual U.S. Army to begin patrolling the city streets of American cities in anticipation of fall-out from the banking collapse which happened less than a month earlier. Hmmm ... pretty fast timing for those relatively fast events, don't you think?! "sounds like something out of the Soviet's playbook,does it not?" YES IT DOES. Our borders are already wide open and Bush and Obama plan on doing NOTHING to fix that. We have Mexican drug cartels WARRING on our southern border right because of CIA-related "entanglements" constricting their transport mechanisms into and out-of our own country. So because of a CIA-induced "prohibition" just over Mexico's border, something our own government CREATED in the first place (the Elites' Hegelian Dialectic again: problem -> reaction -> solution), Obama is already considering sending the LAST VESTIGES of our National Guard and/or Reserves down there to "defend our borders" against their violence and bloodshed. YEAH RIGHT! Did you know that we have only 327 miles out of the proposed multi-thousand mile-long border fence actually built! The rest of our border with Mexico is WIDE OPEN! And we do nothing about it except place "radio beacons" to signal emergency rescue response crews from America to arrive there at such beacons, to actually HELP the illegal immigrants in case they collapse from sunstroke or thirst! WTF?!? Oh yeah, and btw, the CIA is fully involved in shipping the DRUGS into our country as former CIA Director William Casey himself said IN COURT via a sworn written testimony and former President Richard M. Nixon signed-onto as a witness (I have the documents! See Footnote #1 below for links!). So, anytime you hear the Government announce a "War on _____" (ANYTHING) ... then IT IS A LIE and only the opposite objective will be achieved. Like the War on Terror = ONLY MORE TERROR (created psychologically via fearmongering by our own government, no less) or the "War on Drugs" = MORE DRUGS (your local town's police "D.A.R.E." program ACTUALLY EXPOSES otherwise ignorant children to what drugs ARE, instead of instilling a true resistive moral diligence in the first place - which should actually only be the sole domain of their PARENTS or family clergy, NOT the police or school systems!). Even RON PAUL has said that the "War on Drugs" is a FARCE anyway and needs to be STOPPED and Prohibition ENDED. Former President Lyndon Baines Johnson's one-time "War On Poverty" and NOW Vice President Joe Biden's current "War On Poverty" = will only make us MORE POOR via further bank bail-outs that SHOULD be left to FAIL and DIE, and Bush's "No Child Left Behind" initiatives only ever achieved just their opposite ends! We have had the "War On Terror" (I prefer the use "OF Terror" because that is exactly what it is, a fearmongering Psychological Operation / SCARE TACTIC against the American people with a false illusion boogey-man that has been dead for YEARS now) and we will only get YET MORE "terrorist attacks" on a GRANDER SCALE, by the same ELITE Globalists who brought you the FIRST 9/11!! Yeah ... read about the FEMA's recently dug-out Mass Graves in Arizona AND discussion of the same going on in Chicago, and massive 500,000 stacks of plastic coffins near the Atlanta airport! Ever wonder what a BIOLOGIAL PLAGUE feels like? ALL of us might soon find out! Ever wonder what it feels like to be BETRAYED by Eugenics Traitors within our own Government? WE WILL SEE YET AGAIN just like we did on 9/11, where hundreds if not thousands of emergency rescue crews are STILL DYING from the toxic dust, and MILLIONS MORE were MASSACRED AFTER 9/11 in Iraq and Afghanistan, FAR MORE than the mere 3,000 number that died on 9/11! Footnote #1 - links: http://www.danielestulin.com/?op=noticias¬icias=ver&id=37&idioma=en http://www.danielestulin.com/ver.php?id=77 http://danielestulin.com/?op=secret&idioma=en quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Soldiers at our borders and our ports of entry.....sounds like something out of the Soviet's playbook,does it not? In addition it occurs to me we being a fairly large country....other routes of entry would by necessity open up.Thereby stretching our capacities to defend such large tracts....radical fundamentalism and other such evils flourish ,while we wait behind our "secure" borders. I don't think that's the way to go ,seems like plain old isolationism to me.....with the world getting smaller every day this failed strategy of the early 20th century has no place in a 21st century world.

thishereboi -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:05:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VanessaChaland Bush doctrine.? Oh, you mean Christian extremism. :) quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY So far, Obama's actions in relation to Muslim extremism generally meets with my approval. After all, it's pretty much the Bush doctrine. [8D][:)] Firm You don't think Obama is a christian also?

thishereboi -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:07:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ProphetPX NONE of the Bush's were ever "christians" Really....so what is your definition of a christian?

RacerJim -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:20:02 AM)
NObama has broken more promises and perpetrated more lies during the two years since he announced he was running for POTUS than any other candidate for POTUS in history. NObama is an outright FRAUD. ABORT NObama.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:25:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife To try to justify a terrorist act on civilians based on what country they are from or what government they live under is to justify terrorism itself. ...and now one or both of you can quote where i attempted to justify any terrorist act at all. Come on......quote me. Otherwise, what will be obvious is that neither of you have attempted to comprehend what i've been trying to say at all.......and then making up spurious character attacks to cover up your lack of understanding. How is what I said a character attack in any conceivable way? [sm=wtf.gif]

rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:44:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent Your cry for 'justice' will be taken seriously when you target your own government and its supporters; otherwise, you're seeking revenge for an issue that has its roots in US foreign policy. Yes it does, I've acknowledged that. But the failings of U.S. foreign policy are not a justification for terrorism nor are they a valid reason reason why Bin-Laden should not be brought to justice.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:55:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy ...then should i not be able to have a civil discourse with US citizens until such time as their fellow citizens who funded the IRA terrorist atrocities have been brought to justice? Of course not. That would be to let the terrorists win. Terrorism is an act that is designed to cause its victims to lose sight of their more noble aspirations. It is like the bully that pokes the weakling in the chest until they strike back and, in the bullys eyes, create a justification. After the London bombings a website was put up called 'we are not afraid'..... http://www.werenotafraid.com/ .... and from that site...... "The historical response to these types of attacks has been a show of deadly force; we believe that there is a better way. We refuse to respond to aggression and hatred in kind. Instead, we who are not afraid will continue to live our lives the best way we know how. We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear. We are not afraid." ......that attitude is the best response to terrorism from the citizenry. But your argument neglects a basic distinction. Yes there was funding of the IRA from here. If you knew who these many anonymous contributors were, would you want them prosecuted? In our case, we do know.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 6:59:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife To try to justify a terrorist act on civilians based on what country they are from or what government they live under is to justify terrorism itself. That's a ridiculous point, primarily because you're defining terrorism to meet your ends. I'm sure many Arabs and muslims consider themselves freedom fighters while considering the United States to be the terrorists. I see, so the people who flew those airplanes into the towers and the Pentagon were "freedom fighters" who should have the admiration of everyone.

Owner59 -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 7:51:27 AM)
The primary reasons for the strategy changes aren`t necessarily to bring the perps to justice(though that is certainly a legitimate reason). The primary reasons for the changes is to stop future attacks against us by folks planing them,al-queda. bush/neo-con policy allowed bin-laden to escape justice and has helped that rat to get stronger.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 7:52:16 AM)
~FR~ Other than stripping out any groups within Afghanistan that 1) Would support training camps for those that wish to attack the US and 2) Those that are undermining the current Afghan Government, I do not see much reason to be there. I doubt either of those will be accomplished as those groups would just fall back into the mountainous areas of a neighboring country. The run and hide technique used by these groups has proven effective for decades. As to the point of justice, there is no absolute justice, and those that cry for it are idealistic dreamers. The double standard of justice has been around as long as man, and will always be there. Justice is a perception, depending upon which side of the fence you are on. If the actual planners of the 9/11 attacks can be found, I would not want to see "justice" but a reckoning.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 8:53:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf ~FR~ Other than stripping out any groups within Afghanistan that 1) Would support training camps for those that wish to attack the US and 2) Those that are undermining the current Afghan Government, I do not see much reason to be there. I doubt either of those will be accomplished as those groups would just fall back into the mountainous areas of a neighboring country. The run and hide technique used by these groups has proven effective for decades. As to the point of justice, there is no absolute justice, and those that cry for it are idealistic dreamers. The double standard of justice has been around as long as man, and will always be there. Justice is a perception, depending upon which side of the fence you are on. If the actual planners of the 9/11 attacks can be found, I would not want to see "justice" but a reckoning. Again, I have to ask, is this the same opinion you had then? You know, when our cowboy-in-charge promised to get them "dead or alive".

NorthernGent -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 9:27:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife To try to justify a terrorist act on civilians based on what country they are from or what government they live under is to justify terrorism itself. That's a ridiculous point, primarily because you're defining terrorism to meet your ends. I'm sure many Arabs and muslims consider themselves freedom fighters while considering the United States to be the terrorists. I see, so the people who flew those airplanes into the towers and the Pentagon were "freedom fighters" who should have the admiration of everyone. Quite clearly, you don't see. You define 'terrorist' to meet your ends; others will disagree with your definition of 'terrorist'. In other words, 'terrorism' is a matter of subjection, rather than a universal, absolute truth for you to utilise when it suits. To illustrate, the United States government has been accused of state terrorism; you may disagree. 'Admiration' doesn't enter into it: employ your reason, man, rather than attempt to reduce a discussion to drama and base emotion.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 10:05:37 AM)
Perhaps NG the discussion was reduced to drama and pure emotion when those planes flew into the Towers.Why you can't see that is beyond me. One does not need a "universal,absolute definition of terrorism" to recognise that the hijacking of planes and subsequent acts were indeed without a doubt terrorism.

NorthernGent -> RE: Obama: Taliban and al-Qaida must be stopped (3/28/2009 10:39:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u One does not need a "universal,absolute definition of terrorism" to recognise that the hijacking of planes and subsequent acts were indeed without a doubt terrorism. Firstly, it is not 'without a doubt terrorism'. Secondly, you're repeating yourself. a) Why aren't you holding your government to account for their actions? Assuming you want 'justice', where's the clamour to examine your government's actions? b) Why exactly does the United States government have to interfere the affairs of Nicaragua, Brazil, Venezuala, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam etc (the list is a long one)? Surely there's more chance of being left in peace in the event you leave them in peace?

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