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Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smoke ;) - 3/30/2009 11:26:20 PM

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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/27/obama_town_hall_questioners_we.html?hpid=topnews

Obama Town Hall Questioners Were Campaign Backers Updated 7:02 p.m.
By Garance Franke-Ruta
President Obama has promised to change the way the government does business, but in at least one respect he is taking a page from the Bush playbook, stocking his town hall Thursday with supporters whose soft -- though far from planted -- questions provided openings to discuss his preferred message of the day. Obama has said, "I think it's important to engage your critics ... because not only will you occasionally change their mind but, more importantly, sometimes they will change your mind," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs recounted to The Post's Lois Romano in an interview Wednesday. But while the online question portion of the White House town hall was open to any member of the public with an Internet connection, the five fully identified questioners called on randomly by the president in the East Room were anything but a diverse lot. They included: a member of the pro-Obama Service Employees International Union, a member of the Democratic National Committee who campaigned for Obama among Hispanics during the primary; a former Democratic candidate for Virginia state delegate who endorsed Obama last fall in an op-ed in the Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star; and a Virginia businessman who was a donor to Obama's campaign in 2008.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/30/2009 11:39:51 PM

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Why is this any surprise?

Whether he deliberately *put* them there (or someone else on his staff did) doesn't change the fact that... well, yeah, when responding in person he's going to want to respond to questions he has the answers to :P

Plus... having supporters in the audience isn't really a smoking gun to tampering with the questions, anyway... since, y'know, they really *could* have been chosen at random among the crowd. I don't know about you, but I'd expect more supporters than detractors to be at something like a 'Town Hall' meeting.

That said, I'm not defending it either, just pointing out that, really, this would be a surprise?

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 12:16:23 AM

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im waiting for the time when Obama goes on Larry King and takes a random caller and it turns out to be Karl Rove ;)

Just like when George HW Bush went on Larry King in 92 and George Stephanopoulo just magically called in and as a totally random caller got through to attack Bush. In no way was that a setup question ;)

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 1:19:20 AM

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Interesting story thanks for posting it.

It was interesting that the one man had also
been to a Bush event and had been praised by
Bush in a speech. I wonder how many gave to
both Obama and McCain?

I guess this is also evidence that The Washington Post
is not part of "the liberal media", since they are the
ones who ran this story.

Thanks again
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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 3:51:36 AM

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Maybe the Liberal WaPo reporters are becoming increasingly exasperated by these antics. Keep in mind, this isn't an isolated event, it's more a part of a pattern that's becoming glaringly obvious. And at what, only a few months in to the new administration?

And an administration whose chief's lofty campaign speeches promised unprecedented "openness" at that.

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I guess this is also evidence that The Washington Post
is not part of "the liberal media", since they are the
ones who ran this story.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 5:15:35 AM

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This type of behavior has been going on for years and years.

I have complained about this when the last President has done this and I think it is wrong now.

I understand why they do it, I do not feel it is right. If they want to stage the crowd, fine then state that, and be done with it.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 7:42:23 AM

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Of course they`re going let in supporters and their questions.The difference is that he also lets in opponents and their questions and addresses them.As he`s already done.

How refreshing.

Must have burned the cons, when the President was praised for answering tough questions from non-suporters.Ouch....

I feel your pain,..errr discomfiture.

What bush did was to only let in supporters.That was it!You basically needed to be vetted to get a ticket or know someone who knew you as a con.

The tix were given out by party officials and only to known, proven republicans.Any liberal who got in was shown the exit by secur-o-thugs.All one needed was an anti-bush t-shirt on to get booted/denied access.

8 years of that crap.bush was never askes a tough question.bush also would punish a reporter for asking tough questions by not calling on them again for years!Fucking years! What a coward...

But bush took it to the extremes with "audience members"(paid/unpaid staff) coached with leading questions to be asked,in order to fool the tv audience and America.

bush went as far as to pay actors to go tv ,pretending to be un-biased "experts" giving the public needed info about a subject.When in actuality they were poisoning the debate with bushit and bamboozling Americans on bush`s orders.

bush even when so far as to plant a covert fake reporter in the White House press room ,press conference after press conference after press conference,in order to lob softball question cooked up by bush staffers.Turned out that the guy was a gay hooker with an on-line escort service,but that was just one of hundreds of bizarre whacked out twists in a long line of bizarre whacked out twists coming from the bush White House.

Stopping the tax payer funded neo-con propaganda machine is quite enough change,TYVM.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 7:52:32 AM

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Is there any more doubt that there is no practical change in the status quo with this administration?

Conversion to socialism, nationalization of industries, and 100% public union employment are the stated agenda; but no change in the propaganda machine.

No defense from anyone here - only confirmation that this is what EVERY administration has done. It's fortunate for this Administration's blind supporters to have that to point to, because without that comparison they'd have to see the emperor has no clothes. Just once it would be nice to see, instead of a Bush comparison, a response to how nothing has changed.

It won't happen, and I no longer will ask for it, because this Administration's advocates obviously have a deadly allergy to answering questions.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 7:54:06 AM

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Conversion to socialism, nationalization of industries, and 100% public union employment are the stated agenda; but no change in the propaganda machine.

Once can only hope.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 8:02:14 AM

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Yeah, predator capitalism is dead.RIP....Or at least hobbled for a while.

Hey Merc.Ever consider that you`re planing a move to a socialist country(the real kind,not your phony name-cally kind)?

After a taste of the real thing,you`ll be good and admit that American capitalism(regulated non-predatory capitalism) and real socialism(what they have in Italy) aren`t the same.Yes?

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 8:03:36 AM

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quote:

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No defense from anyone here - only confirmation that this is what EVERY administration has done. It's fortunate for this Administration's blind supporters to have that to point to, because without that comparison they'd have to see the emperor has no clothes. Just once it would be nice to see, instead of a Bush comparison, a response to how nothing has changed.

It won't happen, and I no longer will ask for it, because this Administration's advocates obviously have a deadly allergy to answering questions.

They don't want to talk about Obama, they would rather chat about Bush, Palin or Rush or anything else. They want to wait untl Obama does something good to show us this change he kept going on about. I wonder how long they will wait?

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 8:06:15 AM

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Ummm.... the OP is a comparison?.....

Ya know? Between two?.....The thread is about both men.......em-k?

If it bothers you so much,why post/particapate?.......

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 8:09:21 AM

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They don't want to talk about Obama, they would rather chat about Bush, Palin or Rush or anything else. They want to wait untl Obama does something good to show us this change he kept going on about. I wonder how long they will wait?

Greta Van Susteren, is that you

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 11:54:13 AM

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If high-ranking politician appears in public I automatically assume it is staged PR act.
I saw the question: "when the outsourced jobs will come back?" Obama gave some nonsense answer about building solar panels in US. He is a rookie, he does not have deep understanding about most problems. Let him grow a little.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 12:33:12 PM

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Hey Merc.Ever consider that you`re planing a move to a socialist country(the real kind,not your phony name-cally kind)?

After a taste of the real thing,you`ll be good and admit that American capitalism(regulated non-predatory capitalism) and real socialism(what they have in Italy) aren`t the same.Yes?

Appreciating your admission that the Administration has a desired goal of socialism; albeit you call it "regulated non-predatory capitalism". Is that an official 'Party' designation? (I know, I know, - you are allergic to questions - sorry!)

You should try directness. I honor kittin's honesty by her direct response "Once can only hope. ( I think she meant one.) She's hoping for that result - I expect is as a consequence of actions taken. We differ on the desire, but aren't embarrassed by our polar opposite opinion of reality. It obvious by your support of the initiative, granted you changed the label, that you think this is a positive result too - but can't bring yourself to say.

Government Motors provides that latest evidence that the government wants to eliminate the private sector. However, the latest proclamation from the Administration may be their undoing. What industry will consider expanding when removal of a Corporate CEO, elected by the shareholders, is now established as a Presidential privilege. What sane investor would put a dime into the US economy? (Sorry about again asking more questions!)

Anyway....

Now, Obama 'owns' what happens to GM. He even wants to involve himself and his administration with the design of the new GM product line. He's given them "one last chance" to "restructure" or he claims to be ready to put them into Bankruptcy. That should make most of Middle America, the home of PRIVATE sector unions quite angry. It just may wake people up to the socialist agenda.

However, I appreciate the historical similarity to another leader coming into power after a economic depression; who tried to help a struggling auto company in his country turn around their business. I recall, maybe its just urban legend, that's how the Volkswagen was designed. Hopefully that's the only similarity shared; but based upon the escalation of troop deployment in Afghanistan, and a long term tail to the 'withdraw' of Iraq; that may not be the only similarity.

As far as Italy goes; I'm looking forward to dealing with their business climate. I already have more government support from them as 'pending citizen' than I've ever received from any US, or State Bureaucracy. I'm already being considered for a olive grower's cooperative! Being an Italian 'socialist' is a LOT more business friendly right now than being an US 'capitalist'. A HELL of a lot more profitable too for that matter! - Thanks for asking.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 12:46:36 PM

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Hold on a minute Merc....President Obama did not direct that the chairman step down,he merely made it a condition of continued bailout money.If he hadn't,in all probability we would be reading one of your "rewarding failure"post's.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 1:23:59 PM

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Hold on a minute Merc....President Obama did not direct that the chairman step down,he merely made it a condition of continued bailout money.If he hadn't,in all probability we would be reading one of your "rewarding failure"post's.

Did that Administration philosophy change? The AIG guy (old one, not the current one) was also removed that doesn't change the bottom line of rewarding failure instead of letting the results of management go to their logical end.

Did I miss something or wasn't more 'rewarded' for the failure to come up with an Obama approved plan. "One more chance" is a common reprimand from a benevolent nanny.

Wondering if Obama has more experience in running an auto company than he does running a Country? Where in his resume does the auto industry show up? I appreciate that he wants to apply his text book 'Ivy League' education experience to the auto industry, but the ex-chairman had the same background AND experience.

Yeah - It would have been nice if he also decided not to reward failure before giving them $18 Billion or so of 'reward'. Why beat a dead horse on a cornerstone policy of this Administration. Many seem to like it and seek it for themselves. However, I don't see one number or reference that points to any success or turn around in any industry except government employment; which has 'rewarding failure' and the primary job responsibility. Has one private sector business or industry announced an investment plan, expansion plan, or hiring plan; based upon the confidence they have in the direction of the economy as directed by this Administration? When the only people getting attention and money are the failures - failures are the only people motivated.

BTW - any idea how much severance or buy-out that Chairman was paid? Unlike AIG, the issue was just swept under the carpet. Think he just pack up a few banker's boxes and was escorted out, turning in his keys to his company Saturn? However, again I understand that a few million dollars and the contractual tail of this employment contract is meaningless when Billions have already been wasted. It just isn't worth worrying about-right?

What do you think a entrepreneur would be able to do with half the 'rewarding failure' money with GM in an organized Chapter XI bankruptcy. Who knows, maybe FORD would step up to the plate and buy out the resulting operation. In any event, the surviving company and the employees would be a lot better position than they are today , and so would the US taxpayers.

I know you'll take the time to respond...
What ending to you see to the GM story on its present path?
You think the 60 days will generate a new and improved strategy, or will there be another "last chance"?

Can you or anyone remember when Government Motor's was NOT 'restructuring'?

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 2:24:50 PM

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Is there any more doubt that there is no practical change in the status quo with this administration?

Conversion to socialism, nationalization of industries, and 100% public union employment are the stated agenda; but no change in the propaganda machine.

No defense from anyone here - only confirmation that this is what EVERY administration has done. It's fortunate for this Administration's blind supporters to have that to point to, because without that comparison they'd have to see the emperor has no clothes. Just once it would be nice to see, instead of a Bush comparison, a response to how nothing has changed.

It won't happen, and I no longer will ask for it, because this Administration's advocates obviously have a deadly allergy to answering questions.

Another rant by someone that professes to be in the middle but is totally blinded by his far right idealogy

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 2:26:04 PM

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Another rant by someone that professes to be in the middle but is totally blinded by his far right idealogy

...ah be fair Domi....most people think they are moderate. Hardly anyone characterises themself as extremist.

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RE: Obamas fake questions??? hope and change up in smok... - 3/31/2009 2:31:44 PM

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Hardly anyone characterises themself as extremist.

When my brother-in-law got into a fit with me over the occupation of Iraq and called me 'a raving crazy liberal', I took it as a huge compliment

. (He later apologised

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