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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 4:06:47 AM   
Rayne58


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ORIGINAL: xxmstrchasxx

IronBear, get your damn diabetes meds when you can possibly do it. It can ruin every organ in your body and even worse. I know what you're saying about meds though, mine ran over $800.00 a month for the last the first 4 years and over $1000.00 a month for the last year, like you though, sometimes, I just don't get them all.


Hear hear Master has been diabetic for 30+ years and His kidneys failed 5 years ago. Even with the concessions He gets on the disability pension the costs add up, He can't afford to go to see some specialists even with Medicare rebates, and the problems we face day to day can be quite stressful on both of us.

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ALaura: Wow. If you are not in control of your own destiny enough to create the wealth you need to survive healthfully, then you sure aren't able to take care of a "slave." It should be a no-brainer. Mostly, it seems that the ones who call themselves "Dom" are usually semi-illiterate gorgios who like power and easy lays. Anyone who "submits" to them deserves what they get.


Who can control what happens with their health.....I know of people who looked after themselves and did everything to make sure they stayed healthy and still had heart attacks or strokes. What if you were in a car accident and ended up disabled and unable to work? I haven't looked at your profile but I am betting you are fairly young and don't have empathy for others who are perhaps less fortunate than you

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 4:27:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		ive lived on both ends of the spectrum financially, both come with just as many difficulties and problems just in different ways.  i am personally a very simple person and as long as my basic needs are met financially, i am very happy :)

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 8:13:18 AM   
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True enough money doesnt matter, but what if for example the sub always has to pay for hotel room, phone bills and being asked to pay his plane ticket???
Thats not the way it should be? LOL.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 10:57:20 AM   
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One thing I have noticed is that everyone appears to assume that a relationship will be 24/7 live in. Any who read my profile on the other side of collarene (I've revamped it), will see that I've specifically stated that a 24/7 live in relationship is not on the cards for some time. Thus the thoughts regarding taking responsibility for caring financially for another is not applicable. I've always stated, that unless there is a radical turnablut in my fiscal situation, anybody living with us will need to be either working or a student and will need to assist in a small portion of rent and a share of food and other main costs (Phone, internet, power and gas) however it still works out at about half of what they would be paying for even a cheep flat in our area. Neets and I can take care of most of the things but we would be struggling on the food area with our assistance. It is part of the discussions we would be having when some one wanted to be with us.


Geez, IB....You should consider opening your home and training slaves for a fee!  They go out and work because their bodies are still young and healthy and you provide them with the skills they will need to be perfect kajira/us.

Perhaps for another fee, you could set up a match service for Gorean Masters seeking an already trainned kajira.  What an opportunity you are missing.


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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 11:01:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		How did this thread get started again.  Just noticed the original post date!  Duh!  Someone's playing around again.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 11:07:40 AM   
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IB and MstrChas.. I wish you both the best of health, and please, try to take good care of yourselves.
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Thank You Celeste, I appreciate it!


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ORIGINAL: ALaura

Wow. If you are not in control of your own destiny enough to create the wealth you need to survive healthfully, then you sure aren't able to take care of a "slave."  It should be a no-brainer. Mostly, it seems that the ones who call themselves "Dom" are usually semi-illiterate gorgios who like power and easy lays. Anyone who "submits" to them deserves what they get.



The above would be one of the most shallow comments I believe I've seen in CM. If one can assume that this how the poster feels then I believe I would not want to have dealings with her under any circumstances. 


Exactly!  And I'll just keep the rest of my thoughts to myself.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 11:35:56 AM   
TolerableCruelty


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Status: offline 		ok, I'm running short on time, so I didn't actually read about three pages in the middle... just here to testify.

I'm poor... and I work My ass off to remain poor....like anywhere between 40 to 70 hours a week, when the factory allots the overtime to My division. Uncle Sam and child support get a huge chunk, regular bills and rent get another chunk.. and even living by Myself, after everything is paid, I'm lucky to have a stocked refrigerator.
When it comes to slaves, I've been lucky enough in the past to not find one thats hung up on financial superiority. And, just to add, the girls know that they'll have to get a job if and when they come here to live with Me... However... with two incomes in the household.. things run a helluva lot smoother... because My check covers the necessities, and hers is for the extravagances.
And, just to add, I've actually turned down a FW and a slave that were both extremely well off... like corporate vice president making 6 figures and owning multiple rental properties type of well off... simply because of the fact that they "did" have money.
Maybe I'll catch some flak over it, but I'm used to being blue collar, and I'd rather be a happy blue collar Master, with a happy blue collar girl... rather than be perceived as a gold digger, just lookin for a money slave.

just My thoughts,
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 11:37:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think that money, or lack of it can play a huge role for many people.  I don't see money per se, as an indicator of someone's worthiness, but it can be a component of important factors that most people seek in a relationship partner.  The ability to support one's self emotionally, and financial are signs of stability that are considered  positive characteristics by most.  It's often (not always by any means) an indication of education, motivation, or a positive work ethic... again other postive characteristics.

Money does not make the individual... there are many worth millions who I would never want to spend a moment with, and there are many who are bankrupt, yet wonderful.  It's about getting to know the individual... and online, you cannot get to know everyone who crosses your path, so looking for someone with stability and direction in some areas of life are a decent starting place for many.  You may miss out on someone wonderful, but you will bypass many who are not stable for a reason.  It's everyone's choice to make.

My income is not huge, I am a graduate student, part-time professional, and  a single parent.  While I consider myself stable, having direction, and I know that all I have accomplished in life is worth far more than any monetary figure... if someone chooses to skip by me for my income status... then I am better off anyway.

I also think there is still a double standard.... the male submissives are more tolerant of being the one to pay for the plane ticket, the hotel, the dinner... and the male Dominant's are more tolerant of doing the same.  That is my observation anyway.  I am guilty of this expectation of the male submissive, regardless of his overall financial status, as I think it fits in with chivalry.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 1:09:12 PM   
leatherorlace


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Status: offline 		If graves were as shallow as this gal, I fear that we would all be stumbling over the bones of the dearly departed.
  Is she another of those that thinks that being female and able to kneel provides her with the intellect necessary to choose only those that are wealthy enough to provide her with a life of ease?
Gentry

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ORIGINAL: ALaura

Wow. If you are not in control of your own destiny enough to create the wealth you need to survive healthfully, then you sure aren't able to take care of a "slave."  It should be a no-brainer. Mostly, it seems that the ones who call themselves "Dom" are usually semi-illiterate gorgios who like power and easy lays. Anyone who "submits" to them deserves what they get.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 1:34:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gee, I'm a sub and agree with you. We may never meet because I'm doing the same things you are and have little time to meet anyone, travel or even attend local munches! Would I take advantage of an offer from a wealthy Mistress/Domme? Getting to know her true character and her mine would have to come first. Money buys conveniance, alot of money buys ALOT of conveniance. I do need food, clothing and shelter...everythimg else is a matter of "want" not "need". I'ld hate to find out she turned out to be like so many advertisments saying "you can't live without this".

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 2:28:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

How did this thread get started again.  Just noticed the original post date!  Duh!  Someone's playing around again.


That was my question as well.  Didn't W/we already discuss this subject to death?
 
And, btw, f**k with IronBear at Y/your own risk.  He is  my dear friend.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 2:36:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

How did this thread get started again.  Just noticed the original post date!  Duh!  Someone's playing around again.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 3:02:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Next thing you know, we'll see a re-incarnation of the "Toothpaste on clit" thread.

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ORIGINAL: Sunshine119

How did this thread get started again.  Just noticed the original post date!  Duh!  Someone's playing around again.



Don't f**k with Lam either.  Wait...that's a hyjack.  Maybe i'll just post an Op about not f**king with my friends.
 
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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 3:15:53 PM   
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  Money is not the deal-breaker with me either...and often combining forces makes things much easier! 



I have often thought of and taken steps to create a commune type atmosphere with a D/s overture where we are all working towards the same goals.  Some people would think of this as a polyamorous type of situation but that is only if all are sexually intimate with each other.  I am thinking more in terms of pooling resources to live comfortably.  With one or more DOMINANTS as the "board of directors" so to speak.

Ms Loren


Great minds think alike, perhaps ..... the thought you two mention has made it's way through my noggin more than once.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 6:58:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		To a certain point money shouldnt be an issue.  I guess i think and feel this way after having to financially support my ex for over 10 yrs. 

I know if its the right person, yes i would share expenses, but i would have to draw the line.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/3/2006 9:20:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		what a question to walk into .. I personally have seen a slave judge me for not being "finacially" well offI find it very disturbing myself that aperson who claims to be mainly about the mentallity of this lifestyle can lower themselves down to pick apart someone depending on the sizer of his wallet ..... I have walked thru many of lifes "classes" I have had my time walking with wealthy people . wearing 500 dollar suits and all that .. I went thru some changes in my life personally and thru it all maintained who I am a Master. I am in full control of where my life is going and just because right now I am not making the best of livings I have been judged. pitty isn't it.

All I know is for once in my life I am working on making my wallet fat not someone elses . and if that means I am not of stature for those who would look down their snobby lil noses wewll Iron Bear I say fuck em all .... we are who we are inside in our soul . and all we should answer to is ourselves .... if ever you want a friend to chat with contact me.

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/4/2006 10:13:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just to get back on thread again, Originally, I was not referring to individual relationships. Our own lack of huge financial incomes is a problem which we deal with and live quite happily but we have at time to do without a few things when a few regular bills arrive and may be larger than expected. I have excellent negotiation skills which are especially good when dealing with businesses or corporations. I almost always word out a deal for getting things done with out us having to be hungry. What I had been referring to in my OP was the situation which I have seen occur with a close friend who lives interstate where he was shunned by his local community because he was not able to match incomes with most of them..   I find this repugnant and due to the advise from a few friends including me he has shifted his focus and appears to be in the latter stages of getting to know a female sub who adores him. He found in a swinging club and she was not aware of the BDSSM scene at all. That a group pf people would shun someone who had been known to them and an experienced dominant because his circumstances changed is to my mine reprehensible…. Individual subs and slaves will have their own agendas regarding what they either want or need and that is their right….

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/4/2006 11:09:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

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ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion

If you can't even take care of yourself hardly making it or moments away from destitution you shouldn't take another person's care on.


Soooo, you would fix a minimal income level for all Dominants and those who didn't pass you would kick them out from the lifestyle.... Yes?


Not sure whether or not this subject has become the proverbial dead horse... I wanted to read this thread before responding to the "Low Income Sub" topic.
 
I agree with FelinePersuasion, and will clarify my stance.

If you cannot manage your own life, regardless of your income level then you really have no business taking on the managing of anyone else's life.
 
IronBear:  There was nothing in the statement that she made that implied that there should be a fixed income level for Dominants - it is a question of how responsible a person is with what they have.  

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/4/2006 11:23:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		so let me get this right ... if I am in control of what I do and how I do it . and it's MY choice as a Master to work and struggle to eventually gain and maintain finacial freedom I am less of a Master because I can't finacially support another .. hmmmm something seems very shallow about people today

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RE: Low Income Dominants. - 6/4/2006 12:01:54 PM   
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so let me get this right ... if I am in control of what I do and how I do it . and it's MY choice as a Master to work and struggle to eventually gain and maintain finacial freedom I am less of a Master because I can't finacially support another .. hmmmm something seems very shallow about people today


Noooo...  If you were in dire straits of any sorts because you were incapable of making sound decisions about your own life then what I said would apply.   You don't strike me someone who is sailing through life with a broken rudder, a ripped jib and a mainsail that is luffing so why would you think that what I wrote would apply to you?  
 
As YOU stated in your earlier post, which I enjoyed reading, you have made conscious decisions about how you live your life, in other words YOU are making decisions and YOU are working towards a goal whatever that may be and whatever your circumstances you appear to be in full control of them... so shallow though my words may be they do not apply to you.  
 
And seriously... do you think that a person who cannot manage to live their life responsibly really has any business taking on the managing of someone else?   This isn't about what strata of society one lives in, it is about managing oneself before taking on managing the life of someone who would in some capacity or another be dependant.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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