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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/9/2009 10:44:30 PM

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what about propane tanks ;)

Welllllll..... I'm not so sure I'm willing to discuss what we did with propane tanks. I need to check on the statute of limitations on that one and get back to y'all.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/9/2009 10:55:47 PM

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I never considered Columbine to be a gun issue. If I wanted to take out my school, toxic gas in the ventaliation would have sufficed. If guns didn't exist, the kids would have figured out another way to get their revenge.

The last ten years have really disapointed me. Ever since Columbine, schools have only been on witch hunts on students who might be a threat. Just like you can't mention "bomb" on a plane, you can no longer joke about your school burning down. Hell, students can't even write sci fi tales about zombies taking over a high school without being charged as terrorist. Can you imagine what would happen to Stephen King if he were a senior writting the Carrie stories as an english assignment?

I'd perfer to see less witch hunts and more programs on "Being dumber than the idiots who pick on you isn't worth it." So much for that.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/9/2009 11:58:49 PM

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Perhaps its the masochist in me,perhaps I just love to stir up shit...but the following opinion peice appeared in todays N.Y.Times(i know that bastion of liberal thinking ....yada yada yada)Opinions Please...and for the sake of Mod 11 could we keep this gun thread civil.

Mike, the NY Times is neither "liberal" nor "thinking."
You must have loved that NY Times columnist,.....what was his name,......."Jason Blair?"
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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 12:10:12 AM

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he was related to linda right ;)

http://www.alvarezwax.com/Images/Latex%20Images/linda-blair.jpg

funny thing everybody remembers the shooting at Columbine but never the bombs.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 5:16:41 AM

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"Funny" isn't in the appropriate vocab register when it comes to shooting massacres.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 5:34:51 AM

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No one remembers the pipe bombs? Try post #24. (Just another thing you're totally wrong about.)

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 5:37:02 AM

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No one remembers the pipe bombs? Try post #24. (Just another thing you're totally wrong about.)

pssst......it is post #25 (Just another thing you're totally wrong about)

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 6:22:53 AM

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it took 24 or 25 posts to get to the pipe bomb ;)

oh wait just skimmed the post... its not even there unless you count the words "and the other ordinance that they'd stockpiled,"

im talking about the 20+ pound propane bomb that was designed to kill 500 people.

The bombing was there primary weapon but it failed. The shooting that everybody remembers was there backup plan. Just imagine if they had succeeded with the primary plan.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 6:33:25 AM

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funny thing everybody remembers the shooting at Columbine but never the bombs.

Think that might be because none of the bombs were used?

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 6:58:16 AM

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well some of the smaller bombs were used and worked...but the larger explosives failed because of a faulty timer.

Talking about Columbine as just a shooting is like talking about United Airlines Flight 93 as a plane crash into a field as the terrorists target and not DC.

The perpetrators of those acts intended on those days to create an explosion causing far greater loss of life then occurred when they both ad to deviate from there plan.

that is what im talking about when i say nobody remembers the explosives when talking about Columbine.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 7:19:18 AM

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Stick your head in the sand all you like, Shake - just pray it's not truffled with landmines.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 7:33:45 AM

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It's pathological, isn't it *sigh*...

Columbine was a gun incident. Two kids with mental problems of their own got hold of some guns and shot those guns at others. You can try and say otherwise: nobody in their right mind will believe you. The guns are a huge part of the problem.

Now, Turkey's a beautiful country. They don't like guns so much over there, but their hospitality is second to none. I recommend that you visit, if you haven't done so already.

PS: lol @ tulip

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 7:35:41 AM

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The point being though, it is viewed as a shooting because, regardless of their intentions, it was the guns that caused the deaths and injuries, not the explosives.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 7:39:01 AM

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Good point rule.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 7:47:51 AM

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And what did you think of the editorial,after all that is the subject of the thread...not school bullying.

I think the editorial ignores the real issues and addresses the problems with a blanket approach that may reduce the actual number of deaths but not the violence. At the time, Columbine was an anomaly. Multiple killings no longer are an abberation. They're becoming common. Gun control might lessen the number of deaths but addressing this as a gun control thing ignores the underlying problems. It is treating the symptom rather than the disease. And if we don't address the disease, well, there are a lot more ways to cause mass death than a rifle or a handgun.

And in fact, many hunting rifles can function as a sniper rifle. It doesn't have to be some evil weapon designed for battlefield use. A standard 30.06 is the grand daddy of rounds in many ways. The basic 150 grain round you can buy in any gun shop is traveling close to 3000 feet per second straight out of the barrel and at 500 yards still is moving at over 1,600 feet per second. There are faster rounds on the market, more powerful rounds, but few as prevalent or as available or as cheap as a 30.06. The .308 isn't much more than a 30.06 cut down about half an inch. If that doesn't make much sense in terms of what bullets are available, think NATO rounds as the 7.62mm is basically a .308.

Guns have been around as long as the US has been a nation. What hasn't been around that long is frequent mass killings. Even the wild, wild west, where killing was common enough, missed this component if you except the treatment of Native Americans. Yes, there are examples. There always are. What there is not, is a consistently rising graph of folks who reached a breaking point and went out with no intention of anything else except slaying as many people as they could.

So why now? Well, that's the real issue, isn't it?

I think a more accurate discussion of the real problem would revolve around the why's, but that's just me. I'm not one of the I'm-ok-you're-ok people who think they can throw a blanket over a fire and it will go out, or who look to government to legislate everything in existence.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/ - all commercial rounds used in hunting situations. Assualt rifles are made for firing lots of rounds. Hunting rifles aren't. But in many cases they use the same basic bullets. The difference between a sniper rifle and a hunting rifle is little more than a heavier barrel with a more accurate bore. But again, I can shoot half inch groups with my 30.06 at 100 yards and consistently nail a heart sized piece of hanging steel at 400 yards. In other words, sniper rifle is almost meaningless in this discussion.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 8:35:04 AM

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SO if they didn't have access to guns...nobody would have been hurt by those two ;)

You have 2 suicidal teenagers with explosives.

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It's pathological, isn't it *sigh*...

Columbine was a gun incident. Two kids with mental problems of their own got hold of some guns and shot those guns at others. You can try and say otherwise: nobody in their right mind will believe you. The guns are a huge part of the problem.

Now, Turkey's a beautiful country. They don't like guns so much over there, but their hospitality is second to none. I recommend that you visit, if you haven't done so already.

PS: lol @ tulip .

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 8:36:54 AM

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I think a lot of folks overlook the fact that Dylan and Klebold were violating a number of guns laws already on the books. The laws didn't stop them from obtaining weapons and perpetrating their massacre. All of their weapons were obtained illegally, and I don't see what any proposed law would have done to stop them.

What caused all of this is bad parenting on the part of Dylan and Klebold's parents. I can't for the life of me understand how two teenagers were stockpiling weapons right under the noses of their parents. You better believe my parents would have noticed it.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 9:03:44 AM

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Of that's the case, then what is the solution? From how I read that, I don't see that their intention was primarily to blow up the school and the usage of guns as secondary option. Seems like they had a duel purpose of using bombs and guns to get their twisted point across to the rest of the population. It is obvious that tougher guns laws aren't working as efficient as intended, so what's the next best thing? Do we as a society restrict the knowledge of how to construct homemade bombs? Or do we need to pay more attention to people who are a high risk of committing atrocities such as Columbine or the Oklahoma bombing or the fiasco at Waco Texas?

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 9:17:25 AM

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FR:

I think a lot of folks overlook the fact that Dylan and Klebold were violating a number of guns laws already on the books. The laws didn't stop them from obtaining weapons and perpetrating their massacre. All of their weapons were obtained illegally, and I don't see what any proposed law would have done to stop them.

What caused all of this is bad parenting on the part of Dylan and Klebold's parents. I can't for the life of me understand how two teenagers were stockpiling weapons right under the noses of their parents. You better believe my parents would have noticed it.

No, that's not true, but legally or illegally should it be this easy to obtain a deadly weapon?

Officials say girlfriend bought guns

By Mark Obmascik, Marilyn Robinson and David Olinger
Denver Post Staff Writers
April 27 - Three guns used in the massacre at Columbine High School were bought last year by Dylan Klebold's girlfriend shortly after her 18th birthday, investigators said Monday.

The woman was interviewed Monday by authorities, but not named as a suspect.

Though police declined to say where she bought the firearms, the manager of the Tanner Gun Show, a weapons market held nine times a year at the Denver Merchandise Mart, confirmed that the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms on Monday asked for a list of recent exhibitors.

The same gun show was the subject of controversy in June when an exhibitor sold an SKS semiautomatic rifle with a 20-round clip to an undercover congressional staffer for $200 cash. The staffer never was asked for any identification for a background check.

In the case of the Columbine weapons, prosecutors said three of the four guns - the woman bought two shotguns and a rifle - fired in the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history may have been purchased legally.

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RE: Columbine....10 years after. - 4/10/2009 9:20:20 AM

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Another myth debunked..though the distinction is lost on me.All guns start out legal...why is it so hard to understand that the sheer numbers of guns in this country facilitate the obtaining of them,whether by legal or illegal means.In the end it matters not a whit to the dead.

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