thetammyjo
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There is still a lot of sexist thinking out there. One of my academic mentors confided in me that this year while she helped on the search committee for a new position in her department, she overheard incredibly sexist comments that were hidden under the guise of "reality". For example, male candidates who were married were described as "stable" while female candidates who were married were described as "too busy" with the search committee was talking in private. It's a sad reality and even more so because to say such a thing to your candidates would be to open yourself up to a law suit but that doesn't stop the thinking from existing.
The result is that women in the field know this and so may not wear a wedding ring and avoid any discussion of a personal life while men purposely may bring up these same issues. I've see it on search committees myself though my colleague never said such things out-loud we noticed the applicants did this. Sadly this can make the female seem less "personal" than the male which can be a big factor in hiring when it comes down to 10 people all wonderfully qualified and now it's a "who fits best" question.
People often think that you change the laws and BAM everything changes. This ignores millennia of thinking and socialization.
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Woman are still minimized, demeaned or downright loathed on such an unconscious level. But belive me, its there.
I have the good fortune to be dating a woman who considers herself to be a feminist - it's a first for me - it's interesting to hear her point of view.
She has a point in one sense: of course women play second fiddle to men when it comes to positions of authority, but there have been prominent women throughout history and to suggest otherwise would devalue the role played by women in important issues such as the beginning of the end of the slave trade (many of the quakers who campaigned for the end of slavery in late 18th century Britain, were women - an act that ultimately led to the British government abolishing slavery before most others and sending ships/soldiers to Africa to enforce the ban).
I think, however, she falls foul of the same stance as yours above. She insists she is at a disadvantage in her workplace because she is a woman, and, as per any self-fulfilling prophecy, it materialises. Ultimately, disadvantaged or not, no one is going to lay it on a plate for you - there's no such thing as something for nothing in this life. To suggest women are loathed is ridiculous considering hetrosexual men spend an inordinate amount of time trying to find a suitable mate.
On the OP, I suppose if power is your goal, then, yes, perhaps women/submissives will be marginalised. On the other hand, if making friends is your goal, then I can't see why women/submissives will be any less respected. Perhpas the trick is to stay away from the power games and their followers.
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