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Stigma - 4/10/2009 1:54:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		So this could fit into the media topic too I guess but I want to open it up to more than simply the example I am going to give here. I was watching 'law and order: Criminal intent' last night (I find the dude pretty sexy, god knows why) Anyways theres a mad psycho killer, drills holes into womens heads because he wants a girlfriend. Fine, but then when they search his room and find his porn they say

"Well thats odd, where is the bondage or violent porn"

Hmm well there is a hell of an assumption, Its so subtle but a completely sound way to reinforce the idea that all of this is an indicator of mental instability, it did make me roll my eyes a bit.

Right so now I have to form it into a question, what impact do you think that stuff like this will have on peoples perceptions, and do people have any other examples?

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 2:03:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that Vincent D'Onofrio does it for me too!! I saw that episode.

Are you asking what would the tv viewer take away from "cops" expecting there to be violent porn around a perpetrator's apt.?

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 2:04:18 AM   
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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 2:07:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the average viewr would assume that the average perp watches violent porn and is involved /obsessed with bondage.

I think it is a common assumption that watching violent imagery goes along with practicing violence. I don't know how statistically accurate that is.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 2:11:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		So then do you think that the media has any responsibility, if they are going to reiterate an assumption that it is based in reality or do we say that because it is entertainment then it doesnt matter?

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 2:31:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think it's up to each individual to find out the facts for themselves.

I don't think it's the media's responsibility to fact check everything one hears on a television drama. We, the viewing public are watching to be entertained. We know that Bobby Goran only exists on tv and in the tv script pages. We should also know that we can't take everything heard on on a fictional tv show as gospel.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:12:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		hlen5 - i agree with you But - we live in a blameless society. How many people have used the " video game made me do it" defense? More likely it will have a negative re-enforcement impact on the more feeble minded - kink = violence= depravity = death.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:22:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		It does make sense, if you think about it. If the guy enjoys being rough (Way too rough, in the case of the OP ), well, chances are he's going to have porn that appeals to him. 

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:24:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh well in this case the argument was he was a really sweet lonely guy, he just wanted someone who wouldnt leave him, if anything the idea of violent porn went against his MO

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:25:48 AM   
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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:41:55 AM   
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It does make sense, if you think about it. If the guy enjoys being rough (Way too rough, in the case of the OP ), well, chances are he's going to have porn that appeals to him. 


I would agree with this.

Could also ask your local PD, one of the dectectives for violent crimes, if they feel there is a high percentage of violent porn found when searching the residences of this type of perpetrator versus other criminals.

Plus, I think the media feeds a lot of stereotypes. It always has. Especially comedy. Stupid, clueless bumbling oaf of a husband, smart suffering witty wife. Prancy gay man. Or, look at the history of how black americans have been portrayed. All stereotypes taken to the extreme for the sake of entertainment.

Even in the history of animation, and not decades ago either, there are stereotypes created. To a degree, part of visual entertainment is to take real life and tweak it to make it "more". If they didn't it would be as boring as most of our lives. We don't want to watch reality, we want to be entertained.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 3:51:36 AM   
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There is a certain proximity that cannot be ignored. BDSM has scenes where people are beat, fucked, beat some more, verbally abused til tears, bloodied, used as a toilet, then strung up until someone's ready to do it to them again. This is seen more so in the editing of pornography, where the nervous laughter interviews are saved til the end.

I believe the human mind is feeble. Consider the average person is your country. 1/2 of the people are more impressionable than that guy. The fact that most of us here manage to engage in the above mentioned activities in healthy ethical ways is quite a miracle. Honestly, I'm surprised the streets of America are not flowing with blood and semen.

Which is my segue: Why aren't they? Our television is loaded with imagery and idolization of sex and violence (and if you watch after 10:00 p.m. they start to blend together!) Apparently society is more resilient to brainwashing than I expect. (Though that isn't to be confused with being smart). That said, will they be brainwashed to think BDSM porn is for killers, and hence causes the watcher to become a killer? Probably not, no.

I am surprised the general public is as good as they are at discerning between correlation and causation.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 4:04:36 AM   
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More likely it will have a negative re-enforcement impact on the more feeble minded - kink = violence= depravity = death.


I watch Family Guy and about every third episode has some reference to bdsm, in fact one episode dealt with Stewie's realization he is a masochist!  Therefore the more feeble minded like me might see kink = funny = really funny!

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 4:34:55 AM   
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Right so now I have to form it into a question, what impact do you think that stuff like this will have on peoples perceptions, and do people have any other examples?


That not all psychos watch violent porn, that generalisations suck and don't judge a book by it's cover (.yada.yada.yada.)
 
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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 4:58:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Could also ask your local PD, one of the dectectives for violent crimes, if they feel there is a high percentage of violent porn found when searching the residences of this type of perpetrator versus other criminals.



What is interesting here is the 'what came first, the chicken or the egg' idea. Currently there is a big ho ha over violent porn in the UK. One argument is that violent porn can encourage the behaviour the other is that simply someone who is violent will be naturally drawn to violent porn. It would be hard to seperate the two.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 6:02:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, on the one hand i think the average viewer would assume that someone like that criminal would look at violent porn and that those "cops" are validating that viewpoint by their comments.....but by them saying "Well thats odd, where is the bondage or violent porn," could they also be introducing the idea that violent people don't always look at bondage or violent porn, or that it isn't always the cause of criminal behavior, because there wasn't any present?  It does irritate me, though, that there seems to be this assumption about a connection between bondage porn and criminals.

BTW, i also think Vincent D'Onofrio is sexy, and have no idea why. 

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 6:48:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can see the irritation and it is definitely a perception of the chicken and egg analogy. There is a valid concern as to whether or not people would think the porn caused the violence.

I do think that a steady diet of any sort of violence can cause a certain desensitization to it. Which is why I never allowed my kids to watch slasher movies.


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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 7:07:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		omg Vincent D'Ononfio is HOT and i don't say that often. but it's a lot of people's assumptions that being into BDSM means you're violent. some of the acts we do are violent but the difference is both sides agree to the acts. there's no "victim"

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 7:32:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		There have been many studies done on the correlation between pornography and criminal sexual offenders and the results of those have been high enough that it would be difficult to view them as coincidental. There does indeed seem to be a correlation. Many believe that the correlation is causal. I have a harder time believing that. It's kind of like saying that rock n roll makes people murder.

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RE: Stigma - 4/10/2009 7:37:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Good morning Erin. I often wonder if it isn't more a case of the person being socially inept. Having more difficulty in the relationship department.

A person that does not play well with others is still going to have sexual urges. They will however, probably have a more difficult time meeting people and having relationships. Therefor, masturbation, more porn, more fantasies, etc. It would also be a fairly safe assumption that their porn would reflect their fantasy life, whatever that might be...


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