Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:37:21 PM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

That moment last night when the one guy they didn't want to shoot was in the ocean, and all the others were still in the boat, was as good as it gets.



         A burst across the bow from the close-range gun...

     We also have these crazy guys who work for us.  They do things like jump out of airplanes, into the middle of the ocean to board destroyers, stay underwater for hours, kill bad guys in all sorts of creative ways, rescue hostages... 

     The FBI is handling negotiations from Quantico.  Do you really think the Captain of the Bainbridge is dictating the rules of engagement?

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to ThatDamnedPanda)
Profile   Post #: 21
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 8:44:21 PM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Cagey18

Moved the goalposts, nice try! 



         Not a bit, Cagey.  I'm just trying to paint a picture.  President Obama is the Commander in Chief.  "In the loop," in that context means if he knows about it, he ok'd it, and had complete authority to order something else.  If he put the FBI in charge, his order determined the mission of the ship. 

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Cagey18)
Profile   Post #: 22
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:20:26 PM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		And if the guy ended up getting killed,you and your`s would be the first call Obama a bungler.Typical.

The FBI`s got their best hostage negotiator on the job.No one`s died,....yet.

This isn`t for your personal edification.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 23
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:27:29 PM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

And if the guy ended up getting killed,you and your`s would be the first call Obama a bungler.Typical.



      You shouldn't project so much, O59.  I'd be sticking up for the decision, for reasons that would still annoy you.  At least until it got hijacked into a guns thread.

     

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 24
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:33:42 PM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		Again,this isn`t for your or anyone`s edification.Sorry, you don`t get the Hollywood ending.

The guy`s wife wouldn`t mind waiting a bit if it meant her husband survives.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 25
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:40:48 PM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Again,this isn`t for your or anyone`s edification.



      That word you used?  I do not think it means what you think it means.

     Actually, it is for the world's "edification."  Much more will be learned about him from his deeds and decisions here, than in all his well-spoken words so far. 

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 26
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:44:43 PM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		Condescension is a sigh of inadequacy.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 27
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:50:53 PM   
dcnovice


Posts: 37282
Joined: 8/2/2006
Status: offline 		<fast reply>

Part of what makes this situation so difficult in my eyes, and why I'm reluctant to second-guess the folks dealing with it, is that I'd like to see two different, and perhaps contradictory, things happen:

(a) I'd like the world, particularly Somali pirates, to conclude that messing with Americans is a singularly bad idea.

(b) I'd like Capt. Phillips to make it home alive.

Deciding if we can achieve both these goals--or, if we can't, which gets sacrificed--strikes me as the crux of the matter.




_____________________________

No matter how cynical you become,
it's never enough to keep up.

JANE WAGNER, THE SEARCH FOR SIGNS OF
INTELLIGENT LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 28
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:53:31 PM   
ThatDamnedPanda


Posts: 6060
Joined: 1/26/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

<fast reply>

Part of what makes this situation so difficult in my eyes, and why I'm reluctant to second-guess the folks dealing with it, is that I'd like to see two different, and perhaps contradictory, things happen:

(a) I'd like the world, particularly Somali pirates, to conclude that messing with Americans is a singularly bad idea.

(b) I'd like Capt. Phillips to make it home alive.

Deciding if we can achieve both these goals--or, if we can't, which gets sacrificed--strikes me as the crux of the matter.





How about "B" first, and as soon as he's safely on board, whistle up a flight of F-18s to achieve "A".


_____________________________

Panda, panda, burning bright
In the forest of the night
What immortal hand or eye
Made you all black and white and roly-poly like that?


(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 29
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 9:57:26 PM   
hlen5


Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline 		I don't see how the pirates think killing the Captain could be even remotely a good idea. He dies, so will they. The boat is outfitted for week's worth of supplies I hear. The pirates know they're not going anywhere. What's wrong with waiting it out?

I do agree the outcome should strongly persuade the pirates from a repeat.

How about a Marshall plan for Somalia? If these people had food and a stable government, they might give up the piracy gig.

_____________________________



My fave Thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2626198/mpage_1/tm.htm

One time "Phallus Expert Extraordinaire"

(in reply to dcnovice)
Profile   Post #: 30
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 10:10:03 PM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		I would personally cut those fuckers all in half with a 50 cal. machine gun and mail them home in pieces.

But not if it meant the caption might be hurt or god forbid, lose his life.

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to hlen5)
Profile   Post #: 31
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 10:22:56 PM   
hlen5


Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline 		Seriously, why don't we look at the piracy problem as a whole? Why are so many Somalis involved in piracy? Because there are SO FEW OTHER OPTIONS.

The Marshall plan came about because world leaders realized the devestation of Germany in WWI and Germany's overly long road to recovery led to Hitler coming to power. The Marshall plan helped Germany get back on it's feet after WWII.

Somalia is in major trouble and piracy is a way to survive. Let's (the world, not just the US) get Somalia back up and running like the autonomous and prospering country it should be. Maybe then piracy will be an abberation, not routine business.

_____________________________



My fave Thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2626198/mpage_1/tm.htm

One time "Phallus Expert Extraordinaire"

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 32
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 11:26:26 PM   
stef


Posts: 10215
Joined: 1/26/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

The FBI is handling negotiations from Quantico.

Not according to a story currently being distributed by Reuters:

"The Bainbridge, which is leading negotiations for Philips' release, is seeking a peaceful outcome to the standoff with the assistance of FBI experts, a U.S. official said."

~stef


_____________________________

Welcome to PoliticSpace! If you came here expecting meaningful BDSM discussions, boy are you in the wrong place.

"Hypocrisy has consequences"

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 33
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/10/2009 11:36:43 PM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59
 
I would personally cut those fuckers all in half with a 50 cal. machine gun and mail them home in pieces... But not if it meant the caption might be hurt or god forbid, lose his life.

There are a lot of things that we don't know, or at least that I don't know, about the situation at the time. How close was the destroyer? What were the sea conditions? But, Richard Phillips knew. And if you will presume with me that he isn't an idiot who got his Captain's papers through mail-order, and that he has no wish to widow his wife, it is not difficult to conclude that he dove into the water fully expecting to come up and find his captors in the condition you describe. Because unless he is fool enough to have imagined that they would just let him swim merrily away, he did it to give the destroyer the chance it needed to open fire without putting him at risk. And if I were in his place right now, I suspect I'd be thinking, "Well thank you very fucking much, Navy. Y'all having a nice lunch over there?"

K.






< Message edited by Kirata -- 4/10/2009 11:44:27 PM >

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 34
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 7:21:31 AM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		You`re assuming that the Navy could have but did`t right after saying you did`t know squat.

I would suggest we let the professionals handle it and save the spears for later.

I know that some are a bit anxious want Action!
 
But we are here comfy and punching key pads while the Capt. and some very desperate men are on the open sea in a death hold.
 
If they can wait,so can we.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 4/11/2009 7:22:59 AM >

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to Kirata)
Profile   Post #: 35
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 7:44:40 AM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: hlen5

Seriously, why don't we look at the piracy problem as a whole? Why are so many Somalis involved in piracy? Because there are SO FEW OTHER OPTIONS.

The Marshall plan came about because world leaders realized the devestation of Germany in WWI and Germany's overly long road to recovery led to Hitler coming to power. The Marshall plan helped Germany get back on it's feet after WWII.

Somalia is in major trouble and piracy is a way to survive. Let's (the world, not just the US) get Somalia back up and running like the autonomous and prospering country it should be. Maybe then piracy will be an abberation, not routine business.



      As I recall, Hlen, something along those lines was experimented with 15 odd years ago.  Perhaps you should google up 'Black Hawk Down" and see how it turned out?

_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to hlen5)
Profile   Post #: 36
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 7:54:34 AM   
TheHeretic


Posts: 19100
Joined: 3/25/2007
From: California, USA
Status: offline 		      For those thinking in terms of snipers and 50 cal. machine guns, let's introduce the Phalanx 20mm system...

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=800&ct=2

And for those who prefer a visual aid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmwQagrjtfw&feature=related



_____________________________

If you lose one sense, your other senses are enhanced.
That's why people with no sense of humor have such an inflated sense of self-importance.


(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 37
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 8:07:07 AM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		I`m getting now! It`s a Jack Bauer/24 fantasy thing.lol With armchair comanders playing the hero and saving the day (and getting the chick)

Got it....

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama

(in reply to TheHeretic)
Profile   Post #: 38
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 8:29:24 AM   
hlen5


Posts: 5890
Joined: 3/2/2008
Status: offline 		I'm suggesting diplomacy INSTEAD OF of boots on the ground.

_____________________________



My fave Thread: http://www.collarchat.com/m_2626198/mpage_1/tm.htm

One time "Phallus Expert Extraordinaire"

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 39
RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith - 4/11/2009 8:29:51 AM   
Kirata


Posts: 15477
Joined: 2/11/2006
From: USA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

You`re assuming that the Navy could have but did`t right after saying you did`t know squat...
 
If they can wait,so can we.

If you're going to respond to my posts, try to read them? My point (follow me closely here) was that Richard Phillips was there, did know the situation, and didn't wait. Draw your conclusions from that, and leave your personal assumptions about what I'm "assuming" out of it.
 
K.
 
 

< Message edited by Kirata -- 4/11/2009 8:32:04 AM >

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 40
Page:   <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Casual Banter] >> Off the Grid >> RE: Captain Richard Phillips' Leap of Faith Page: <<   < prev  1 [2] 3 4   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.078