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Hiding Places - 4/12/2009 8:38:15 AM   
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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 8:40:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

PA I prefer to pay my heat bill and stick to less volatile investments. And, I don't care what the commodity is that you are buying, to purchase it when it is at a high and saying you do not care if the value decreases is pure foolishness.

Never mind though, your past posts on this subject have shown me that you will continue this foolhardy path regardness. I can only sit here and watch, reading your posts while shaking my head.

It's one thing to buy a commodity with your left over, fun money. But to do so with money that should be spent elsewhere, like living expenses, betting that the commodity will go up. That is rediculous and foolish.


Per haps I should have passed on the Franklins.    I will give you that. 

Look at the movers and shakers and guarders of the nations wealth.   If you trust them, fine.  But I don't.

There is only 4 trillion$ worth of gold on the planet.   That is not much.   next- more and more the REAL market is ignoring spot.   I see a difference in the past 6 weeks.

Just because our age group has never SEEN a collapse- doesn't mean it wont happen.  Or that we even understand it.

My house payment IS made.  So I haven't gone that far off.  It is smug to believe we know everything there is to know per a currency collapse.  We don't.

I gave up the extra phone line- nothing is getting shut off here.   So- so far so good.   What if I am right?   What if 6000 years of traditional measure of wealth comes in vogue.

Have it your way.  Paper gold is still- paper.    Paper silver is paper, paper food and heat is still paper. digital fake.

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 8:47:52 AM   
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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 8:50:46 AM   
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I am not so sanguine that either is the great reservoir of wealth being just another couple of commodities no different than say cotton or rubber and even though all 4 have an industrial use.

Maybe your coins will survive the continuing speculation. Be careful...commodities can go down as fast or even faster than they went up. 


Yes, history tends to repeat itself.  Remember the Hunt brothers?

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 8:51:08 AM   
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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 8:57:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lets not forget what happened to the oil speculators this fall. Crude went from $147 a barrell to around $45. You don't hear a lot about so called "big oil" right now. Those guys lost millians..

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:00:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

How about mason jars buried in the yard....then ya just gotta hide the map to their location(s)


Some old guys during the depression buried gold coins.  Then forgot where they buried them at.

Anyhow- I am concerned that my ratio of silver to gold should be more gold then silver.  Who can afford gold?   Silver is easier to tell a fake.   (then gold)

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:03:19 AM   
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I am not so sanguine that either is the great reservoir of wealth being just another couple of commodities no different than say cotton or rubber and even though all 4 have an industrial use.

Maybe your coins will survive the continuing speculation. Be careful...commodities can go down as fast or even faster than they went up. 


Yes, history tends to repeat itself.  Remember the Hunt brothers?





Yet- gold rose during those years- the years the LaT, seems to think we are now entering rather then depression.   Texas is a state by treaty the only one.  The hunts did what they did so Texas could break away from the USA.  Today 24 states have passed 10th amendment sovereignty statements.

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:14:03 AM   
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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:23:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hide it in plain sight. In the early '70's the uncle of a friend of mine lived in a cabin in what was pretty much what was left of a once prosperous mining town. He did a little prospecting and gold panning of his own and kept his find in a mason jar which he used as a door stop for his front door! I probably would not have believed it had I not seen it for myself.

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:24:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Precious metals/hard assets are better suited for those who don't have faith in the current system, and perceive a potential for a monetary collapse.

Conversely, paper assets are better suited for those who have faith in the current system, and do not perceive a potential for a monetary collapse.

As we have seen, the value of either one can fluctuate wildly, largely reacting to the masses' perception of reality.

For those who realize that they can't possibly know with absolute certainty what the future holds, it stands to reason that possessing at least a percentage of their wealth in hard assets would serve as insurance against total loss, in the event of a monetary collapse.

A downside to hard assets is that they must either be stored quite securely, or insured against theft... leading either to a hassle or an expense.  








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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:25:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I am not so sanguine that either is the great reservoir of wealth being just another couple of commodities no different than say cotton or rubber and even though all 4 have an industrial use.

Maybe your coins will survive the continuing speculation. Be careful...commodities can go down as fast or even faster than they went up. 


Yes, history tends to repeat itself.  Remember the Hunt brothers?





Yet- gold rose during those years- the years the LaT, seems to think we are now entering rather then depression.   Texas is a state by treaty the only one.  The hunts did what they did so Texas could break away from the USA.  Today 24 states have passed 10th amendment sovereignty statements.



Where did that statement come from?  In 1988 the Hunts were convicted of conspiracy to manipulate the price of silver for their personal gain.  Even they did not raises your Texan defense.  As to gold, when the Hunts started their scheme in 1973 it was illegal for a private citizen to own gold.

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 9:27:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

PA, Don't give up those extra phone lines. I still have stock in AT&T....


lol.   oops.  It was an ATT prepaid.  I can always order another one when I need it.   :-)     I lost a cell phone from them.  poof $54 gone.   Customer service wasnt any help.   Oh well.  I am not on the phone often these days. 

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:19:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Do you see gold out performing silver?  Or silver outperforming gold.

I scored some Franklin halfs on ebay cheap.

I would say your chances of multiplying your investment are higher with silver. You can compare the historical charts here:
 
Gold Spot Prices
 
Silver Spot Prices
 
Whichever you buy, coins impose a helluva premium. They're easier to carry and spend, if it comes to that. But I think you'd be as well off in that respect, and better off financially, to buy some of the smaller bullion mintings. You can compare prices (and premiums) here:
 
Northwest Territorial Mint
 
K.
 
 

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:24:00 AM   
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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:26:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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ORIGINAL: Lorr47

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

I am not so sanguine that either is the great reservoir of wealth being just another couple of commodities no different than say cotton or rubber and even though all 4 have an industrial use.

Maybe your coins will survive the continuing speculation. Be careful...commodities can go down as fast or even faster than they went up. 


Yes, history tends to repeat itself.  Remember the Hunt brothers?





Yet- gold rose during those years- the years the LaT, seems to think we are now entering rather then depression.   Texas is a state by treaty the only one.  The hunts did what they did so Texas could break away from the USA.  Today 24 states have passed 10th amendment sovereignty statements.



Where did that statement come from?  In 1988 the Hunts were convicted of conspiracy to manipulate the price of silver for their personal gain.  Even they did not raises your Texan defense.  As to gold, when the Hunts started their scheme in 1973 it was illegal for a private citizen to own gold.




What do you think the "plunge protection team" does?   It rigs markets.    Ild say quite a few things are manipulated.  Lets start with Goldman Sacks, JP Morgan.   Bank of America.  AIG.     Why is there such a spread between spot and physical?    Sellers and ignoring spot. 

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:30:50 AM   
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Precious metals/hard assets are better suited for those who don't have faith in the current system, and perceive a potential for a monetary collapse.

Conversely, paper assets are better suited for those who have faith in the current system, and do not perceive a potential for a monetary collapse.

As we have seen, the value of either one can fluctuate wildly, largely reacting to the masses' perception of reality.

For those who realize that they can't possibly know with absolute certainty what the future holds, it stands to reason that possessing at least a percentage of their wealth in hard assets would serve as insurance against total loss, in the event of a monetary collapse.

A downside to hard assets is that they must either be stored quite securely, or insured against theft... leading either to a hassle or an expense. 



I lost count after the 14th bail out.  They are telling us there is a problem by these extreme actions.   The Bear Stearns bail out- had me steaming.  However- once the TARP bail out happened- I knew the jig is up.  AIG had how many bail outs?   They insure.  

The dollar is not backed by feathers- or couches or parrots.   All of which would give it more value.

The system itself is telling us there is a problem. Congress seems to only hand out bail out money.   How is this normal?

So yes- the system will be good another year- maybe as long as 3 years.     But when it is done there will be no 2nd chances.  :-)

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:33:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I like silver myself - bought a lot of it last year.  I am in the ETF though, so I do have some concerns about that.  Had gold as well - but when they both dropped and silver dropped a lot more, I switched that into silver as well.

My other worry is that governments and central banks go out of their way to suppress the price of gold and silver - as they are the canary in the coal mine, so to speak.  I think we've seen that over the past year in the sense prices of the metals haven't surged farther to the upside despite fiat currencies beginning their race to the bottom all around the world.

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:35:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Do you see gold out performing silver?  Or silver outperforming gold.

I scored some Franklin halfs on ebay cheap.

I would say your chances of multiplying your investment are higher with silver. You can compare the historical charts here:
 
Gold Spot Prices
 
Silver Spot Prices
 
Whichever you buy, coins impose a helluva premium. They're easier to carry and spend, if it comes to that. But I think you'd be as well off in that respect, and better off financially, to buy some of the smaller bullion mintings. You can compare prices (and premiums) here:
 
Northwest Territorial Mint
 
K.
 



A big thank you!   A guy who answered the question.   Some say 80% gold to 20% silver.  I did the reverse.  40% coins are not that expensive- but harder to melt- then 90%.  In my limited experience- a variety is best.  Tho- I personally have gone no higher then 10 ounces. 

If one grabs a small bit each month- the stack adds up faster then you would guess.

:-)

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RE: Silver/gold where to hide it - 4/12/2009 11:37:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BraceletMe

I like silver myself - bought a lot of it last year.  I am in the ETF though, so I do have some concerns about that.  Had gold as well - but when they both dropped and silver dropped a lot more, I switched that into silver as well.

My other worry is that governments and central banks go out of their way to suppress the price of gold and silver - as they are the canary in the coal mine, so to speak.  I think we've seen that over the past year in the sense prices of the metals haven't surged farther to the upside despite fiat currencies beginning their race to the bottom all around the world.



JP Morgan and Sacks both short 22x the amount of silver they actually own.  Most likely using the TARP money to do so.

The comex will be busted- and when that happens.... one wont be able to buy it at any price.

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