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Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 1:06:38 AM   
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A relationship recently ended for me.  At the time I got involved, the Domme knew I already had a great deal of other commitments and was in fact already feeling rather overwhelmed by them as a result.  The situation was in fact something we'd discussed before getting involved.  Despite having that knowledge, she continued to give me new assignments to perform on her behalf knowing I already had more than I felt I could manage. 
 
I accept partial responsibility for that by not saying "Excuse me Ma'am, I have this list of things that need done which includes assignments you've given me along with commitments to others which we've agreed would come first, so how would you like me to prioritize what's on my list?"  I should add that she'd offered assistance with improving my organizational skills as relates to handling and organizing paperwork which is part of what I'd been overwhelmed with and was something she never came through with that further compounded the situation I found myself in.
 
When what I'd hoped for didn't come through, I pushed myself to do more, didn't get enough rest, and eventually got totally run down physically and very sick.  As the relationship was coming to a close, during a period spanning a month and a half, I had bronchitis twice, the flu, developed a vit D deficiency, and wound up with mono; all while falling behind in everything of importance to me.  I've heard of other subs having difficulty setting boundaries or saying "I can't take this on right now" to someone they feel very submissive to. 
 
So my question is, how do you as a submissive manage the tasks you take on (or have no choice but to take on) that come from the various parts of your life along with assignments given to you by your Dominant without overloading yourself?  I genuinely don't want to repeat this experience again.
 
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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 2:08:18 AM   
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i think you were fine telling her frankly that you had things that were of a higher priority at this point in time. i.e. "i can't buy you that pair of shoes or serve you this weekend, i have to pay the electricity bill and work on (insert chore or repair here) before i get further behind." While i understand that you wanted to serve her and help her out i believe it was terribly unfair of her to ask you to complete more tasks and while you completely wore yourself down to the point of getting ill (multiple times it seems) she didn't offer to step in and help out even though you bent over backwards for her. i don't mean having her do it for you because we both know that it's not appropriate for the Dom/me to do our work but, at least to give words of encouragement or saying "don't worry about what i've asked you to do for me, i had no idea how overwhelmed you were feeling, i do hope you feel better, right now just work on getting better." Perhaps she should have invited dialogue about what you were feeling overwhelmed about specifically. i don't know how long you two were together and maybe if you two were new maybe she was seeing how far she could push you until you said something to her. Even if just she was just pushing to see if you were going to ask her for clarification or guidance...i don't think that there should be any issues with that, at all.

i've been in the same situation with previous owners and i've had to speak up and say "Hold on, time out. You realize how badly i want to be able to do A, B and C for You Sir. But, You also know that it's just not feasible until i am able to finish tasks X, Y, and Z. However, once i do finish my things which unfortnately need to take precedence at this time i will make it up to you in anyway that you believe is appropriate." Usually i open with: "May i please have permission to say something, Sir?" Instead of launching into the whole "time out" speel. But, you get the idea. i've become very blunt of late and i think it's appreciated. Don't beat around the bush with flowery speech but at the same time don't be brash, just get out what you need to say but be respectful and very polite. Also, be sure to avoid sounding whiny, that really ticks off Dom/mes.

Perhaps she doesn't realize how overwhelmed you feel. Also, it's possible she doesn't really give a damn. i'm sorry, but there are many out there like that. i've encountered more than my fair share.

Make sure that the next one you become involved with knows what your priorities are. In fact, state them in your profile if you can...i let every potential Dom that i speak with know that i work a minimum of 40 hours a week and that i'm going to school as well and the nursing program i'm transferring into *requires* a 4.0. So, if they have a problem with my priorities then i know that they are not worth my time. It's just basic courtesy. Besides, life happens.

Unfortunately, i don't think there's anyway to completely avoid feeling overwhelmed at one point or another. The trick is to avoid living in a constant state of feeling completely overwhelmed. To keep your health and sanity you may need to have a day here or there and just say "screw it, i'm not doing anything today. i'm taking today for myself." Besides, that way you'll be able to re-evaluate things and take time to re-prioritize and see what tasks can be completed and what others can be started until you have whittled down the amount of tasks that you need to complete to a more manageable level.

Besides, all relationships are nurtured by communication. The D/s relationship even more so, and if we're too shy to speak up about what's important to us and our Dominants are not psychic (though sometimes i think they are) how are they to know what we are thinking and feeling unlesswe tell them? It's always better to be honest up front and deal with the problem immediately instead of letting the issue bother you for a long time and then just blow in your faces.

Anyway, i hope this helps you a bit. Best of luck to you.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 2:47:26 AM   
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Pixel,

I'm sorry your relationship ended.

Part of our job as a Domme is to ensure you have the things necessary to do the tasks we ask of you, and to see to it that your mental/physical health is looked after.  That said, I personally will push a person to see if they are going to communicate their needs to me.  If they choose not to, I will continue to push, until they do.  Mind you, I tell them upfront I will do so.  To me it is the same as if in play.  I want to KNOW they can speak their mind and tell me when things are becoming too much for them.  I am not a mind reader and if they cannot speak their mind, then that is when things become dangerous.  I do my best to be able to read their body language, yes, but I do hold them accountable for themselves as well.  So, while it may be my job to notice if you are ill, it is your job to communicate to me (I'm using generic terms) when things are beginning to overwhelm you.  If you are unable to communicate your needs, you cannot expect someone to magically know what they are, even your Domme.

You should have the right to expect your Domme to keep her word if she makes a promise to you.  You should have the right to say, "Ma'am, may I have a moment to discuss my needs with you?"  Hopefully, she will be the type of person who permits this and you can then speak freely about your needs.  If she isn't the type of person who lets you voice your concerns, do you really wish to serve her?

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 2:47:42 AM   
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Lemme get this straight.

At the time you entered the relationship, you felt overwhelmed.  You state that part of this involved a large number of tasks and part involved poor organization/time management skills.

She gave you tasks for her.  Yep, that's what D types do.

At no time did you tell her you were overloaded.  She had offered to help you with time management, and at no time did you ask her when she would help you.

Eventually, you got sick multiple times due to stress, lack of sleep, and lack of self care in general.

There are several conclusions:

1. It appears that she did not value the relationship as much as you did.  You had a desperate need for getting her tasks done, while she appeared to have not noticed your stress and ill health.

2. You have major issues with opening your mouth.  You seem to feel that she should have noticed your stress and sickness and done something about it.  She may very well have felt that if it wasn't worth you mentioning it, it wasn't worth her addressing it.  In ANY relationship, D/s or otherwise, it is your responsibility to raise and discuss issues that are serious.

3. You seem to think that there is a magical secret to time management.  There isn't.  You write down all your tasks, prioritize them, guesstimate the time each will take, schedule them, and get going. 

You're asking what you can do to ensure this doesn't happen again.  Well, discussing issues as they arise is one good start.  Asking yourself what YOU can do to resolve your own issues - including asking for help if needed - and then doing it is a good one too.


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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 2:50:15 AM   
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hmmm well I'd get tremendously annoyed and irritated (always happens if I'm in over my head with stuff that need to be finished and I get stupid requests from ppl that could easily do that very thing themselves) and I'd probably snap at that specific dommely domm dom(me) and tell them that I was busy, didn't have the time, she knew it and that she can do it herself, or I'd get to it when I HAD the time whenever that would be.
but then I'm not really the submissivest subbily sub out of the bunch

but the bottomline is communication..being submissive doesn't mean you say yes ma'am yes ma'am yes ma'am yes ma'am. If you're drowning in stuff you organize yourself..make a schedule if needed or if you're way in over your head as we all are sometimes you tell them...communicate communicate communicate...


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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 3:17:19 AM   
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not very well, as it happens - but im working on it.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 3:37:28 AM   
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I talk to him..plain and simple. If I'm feeling overwhelmed in my life, he knows. He knows pretty much everything about me and my life. If I feel I can't handle something he gives me, I tell him and why in a normal rational adult way. We talk about it and he decides from there.

If I got to a point where I felt he wasn't listening and I was becoming ill from it I would have to start questioning my relationship and honestly it would probably end.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 5:49:11 AM   
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He sees when I'm overwhelmed and steps in to help. I would have stepped back the moment her promised help didn't come through. I've known too many people who don't keep their word to continue in a relationship with someone who only gave lip service.

You need to know more about the dominant next time, to see if her actions and her words agree, before you agree to submit. And anyone who doesn't understand that, isn't someone you should submit to.

You got ill, she didn't offer help, she isn't someone who cares about you. Next time think with the big head.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 5:56:50 AM   
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Just curious...
You already knew you were overwhelmed when you began your relationship so why did you start up with one?
I mean.. if I don't have time to commit myself to my life, I sure am not going to give some half assed time to someone I want to impress.
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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 6:15:22 AM   
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pixelslave, I was in a similar situation though it was a vanilla marriage.  We worked together, and in essence the entire relationship was like a Master/slave situation except that I served from fear, not from fulfillment.

He would regularly give me too much to do, and I was wearing myself to a frazzle.  Then I figured out what to do.  I would be doing X, he would come up and demand that I do Y, and I would say, "I'd be happy to.  Which is more important to get done first, X or Y?  And please remember that you also gave me Z?"  Whatever was on his mind at the moment held the utmost importance to him and he would literally forget about the other things that I was doing - just shoving them to the back of his mind.  By responding in a gentle manner and showing my willingness, then allowing him to prioritize, it gave him the power that he needed, showed both my sincere efforts and my work load, and allowed him to decide which was most important to him (which I had found I often couldn't fathom).  Something like this may work for you in the future.

It was good that you could admit that you had a hand in it.  Subs are often longsuffering to the point of their own detriment and the Dom/me may never know how overwhelmed they are feeling.  Sometimes promises of help are simply forgotten if the sub does not ask again. 


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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 7:00:13 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

A relationship recently ended for me.  At the time I got involved, the Domme knew I already had a great deal of other commitments and was in fact already feeling rather overwhelmed by them as a result.  The situation was in fact something we'd discussed before getting involved.  Despite having that knowledge, she continued to give me new assignments to perform on her behalf knowing I already had more than I felt I could manage. 

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Ahhh... That's where you've been.
Neglecting your friends is also a bad sign, when you
enter a new relationship you know !!!

And going into a relationship already feeling overwhelmed,
is a Red Flag. Take yourself serious, and your own feelings too.

I understand your willingness to submit, but you have a full-time job
& children to raise, isn't just peanuts those are 2 full-time jobs,
so you're not just A single guy, and one has to understand that.

And I thought DarkSteven made a good point that she apparently
didn't value the relationship as much as you did.

That's what shows, and it all comes down to communication,
and negotiating, what's possible and what isn't.

One can want the impossible, but it will show
that it's not realistic, and so it won't be met.

Live & Learn.

Hope to talk to you soon again.

Warm huggglz

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 7:21:38 AM   
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I'm going to say that the majority of the responsibility lies with you.

To quote Master, "The psychic network isn't open here." It's my responsibility to tell him what's going on in my head, because he's not psychic and all knowing. If I'm not feeling up to something, we simply discuss it.

You entered in a new relationship while already overwhelmed. Then you failed to give her the feedback that she needed to make informed decisions. What did you tell her when she asked how you were doing? Were you truthfull?


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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 9:10:48 AM   
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I have never,and would never, been into something like that,Im the one to speak out,and what you generally view as respectful speak is generally enough,for alot of Dom/mme´s. Why should you have to crawl to your knees when its a very real issue? for me its always been enough to say" I would like to do that,Sir,but remember this or that/I have also this/that. Thats enough. It should be enough to say "this is a problem for me,Sir". What do you want with a Dom/mme that doesnt listen?

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 11:52:44 AM   
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I appreciate the many replies to my post and the many viewpoints expressed.  I can't respond to them all, but will try to address a number of them. 
 
Let me first say that the Domme is a very well known one in my community, making what I feel comfortable posting somewhat limited as I don't want to post anything that might be interpreted as being disrepectful of her.  I also don't want to be in a position of starting a "he said, she said" kind of thing.  I don't recall who said I should have gotten to know her better before becoming involved, but she longstanding reputation in our community which weighed very heavily on my decision to do so despite my numerous other commitments and obligations.  At the time things began, I purposely wasn't looking for a relationship because of the many other obligations and priorities in my life. 
 
My apologies to Goddess T` for neglecting my friends.   I can assure her it had much more to do with having been very busy for quite some time than with starting the relationship.  As YoungBlondSlave noted, there are times when one needs to take a day for themselves.  I'd add that all work and no play makes for a very dull and unexciting life for pixel.  So having someone to share it with, even knowing I had more things on my plate that I was currently able to juggle was an invitation I couldn't pass up.  That was something clearly discussed up front for those who missed it in my OP.  I also saw where her strengths could balance my weaknesses and vice versa, creating some synergy that could benefit both of us; reducing the sense I was having from being overwhelmed by certain other things that I felt she could me help with and I could do likewise for her.
 
The Domme in question, seemed to understand and stated that certain things needed to be taken care of before I could serve her; including my obligations to career, my UM's, and so forth.  With her having UM's that lived with her as well, mine were always welcome; making things all that much easier.  Priorities of those kinds were things we discussed. 
 
To clarify for DarkSteven, I didn't say I had poor time management skills although like anything else about me, there's plenty of room for improvement in that area.  I see many familiar faces/names who've posted in this thread who've likely noted my absence on the boards for a number of months.  Not to sound defensive, but that absence has been a conscious decision I had to make as part of managing my time. 
 
The problem is one of managing and organizing paper.  I've simply never learned or been taught how to efficiently organize and manage the volume I've been dealing with of late (much increased from what I've ever dealt with in the past).  I can organize gigabytes of material on a computer's hard drive quite well, but seem to be overwhelmed with incoming mail and other documents which have been accumulating that I've seemingly not been able to get a handle on how to organize so they can be retrieved without difficulty when I need to find them.  Did I ask for help with it from the Domme?  Yes, in fact she volunteered the help in exchange for help with her computers before we ever got involved (an obligation I fulfilled).  
 
Once we became involved, she'd see me bring briefcases full of papers to her place and work on sorting through them while there.  Did she say anything about my having them there as a disorganized and unkempt pile of papers?  Yes, in fact she did!  While seeing me struggle with them did she offer to help me figure out how to sort and file them in an orderly manner as promised?  No, she didn't.    How many times was I to ask her for the help she'd promised?
 
FWIW, I've since contacted someone else for help with learning how to improve my skills in dealing with the problem. 
 
There's no doubt that the Domme in question didn't value the relationship as much as I did.  I can't argue with that and would definitely agree with it.  She saw that for quite some time I'd set aside the strong needs I have as a submissive to serve another along with my needs as a human being to have an intimate relationship with another person.  An argument could be made that I was also in a certain amount of sub frenzy in wanting to do things for her from having suppressed those needs.  Yet, I wouldn't want to use that as an excuse for what transpired. 
 
I can say that it was often difficult to talk at times when at her place because of the kids and other things going on that would create interruptions.  She'd then be unwilling to discuss much of anything when we weren't together in person; making it quite difficult to bring these kinds of issues up when they were timely for me (perhaps her way of avoiding them?).  At those times, it seemed as though I found myself in a no-win situation.  I couldn't discuss the list of things I had on my plate and ask her to set my priorities when we weren't face to face. 
 
I'd have to say there was also an internal struggle going on within me to serve her that was battling the reality of what I was physically capable of doing.  I knew I needed to do as a number have suggested (as I also posted in my OP), which was to give her my list and ask her to set my priorities.  Yet there's also the part of me that wants to be the "perfect submissive" who does everything asked of him by his Domme.  I suspect that's a struggle many of us s-types face unless we have the help and support of our Dominants in dealing with it.
 
I should add, that as the fatigue set in, I began to find things taking increasingly longer amounts of time to accomplish and saw myself falling further behind in the several weeks before I became noticeably sick.  That may have been when I actually came down with the mono.  I'm not really certain as it wasn't diagnosed at the exact time I was having it.  It was only detected much later in a blood test.
 
When I had bronchitis the first time, I discovered she had little patience for my being sick.  My spirits being lifted from being around her she seemed to take as a sign of my being better instead of feeling comforted.  She'd also say there wasn't time to be sick; that things still had to be done.  My response was to push myself to do things when I should have rested instead.  Things snowballed from there s I didn't slow down to rest like I typically would have.  I'm still quite run down and am slowly recovering from the mono and vit D deficiency.  And yes, there's lots of paper still waiting for me to organize with more that accumulates daily. 
 
Fortunately, help is now available that's only a phone call away which I can utilize to improve my skills with that whenever I have energy available to use it.
 
Thank you to those who took the time to post a reply.
 
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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 12:59:28 PM   
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quote:

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I'm going to say that the majority of the responsibility lies with you.

To quote Master, "The psychic network isn't open here." It's my responsibility to tell him what's going on in my head, because he's not psychic and all knowing. If I'm not feeling up to something, we simply discuss it.

You entered in a new relationship while already overwhelmed. Then you failed to give her the feedback that she needed to make informed decisions. What did you tell her when she asked how you were doing? Were you truthful?



This perfectly conveys my feelings on the matter.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 8:56:09 PM   
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i agree, organizing papers is the pits!! i've got piles of it in my apartment everywhere because my complex doesn't recycle and i can't bring myself to just tossing it out. Then of course important stuff ends up getting mixed in (like the jury duty summons i was up until 2am sorting through papers to find) and you have to sort through it all once again just to make sure nothing pertinent gets tossed.

Sit your butt in front of TV one day and watch a movie and sort papers, it'd help get it done faster without it seeming so terribly montonous. Slow going but that's okay as long as things eventually get done. That's how i'm doing it except i talk on the phone since i'm too cheap for TV or cable...or a DVD player even.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/13/2009 9:47:23 PM   
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Pixel, I truly understand where it is you're coming from. Your problem is probably my one true failing as a submissive. I refuse to admit that I can't do everything. My heart is much bigger than its capacity, and I'm usually overwhelmed as it is (not lately as my life has finally completed a lot of its original requirements so that I actually have more time than I ever imagined I would have...but that's another story), but when a woman I'm becoming involved with wants more of my time and energy, I'm going to give it. I'll often completely overwhelm myself, and I'll refuse to admit it to myself. Then I'll hit the point where I'm sleeping less, giving up any types of comforts that I would normally enjoy because of time constraints, and I will keep compensating, sometimes making myself miserable. And I won't allow it to show up on my face. I'll keep doing everything I can do to compensate. And eventually, it will become too much so that I can't do everything. And on a number of occasions, the relationship failed because she then decides that I was not doing enough for her. But then it's too late, and because I never revealed how much I was actually doing and compensating, I really have no way of defending myself. And the relationship will end.

It's happened to me a few times. Hopefully, it won't happen again now that I know all about how it can happen.


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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/14/2009 11:44:09 AM   
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It sounds like the femdom valued the service more than she valued the sub as a person.  This can never end well.

Subs who stay in relationships because they think they cannot get treated better, or they like the glamor of "being a slave," and are willing to compromise their health or well being need to realize that a shitty relationship is not better than no relationship at all.  Femdoms who can have their pick of the litter, so to speak, will willfully take advantage of subs who offer no-strings kind of situations and keep their mouth shut instead of complaining. I am sure another sub stepped right up and took pixel's place. Unless you LIKE that kind of treatment, realize that YOU have the option to leave. If the femdom cared, and there was affection, lust or mutual friendship as the foundation -- not just convenience - then both people would work together to salvage.

Transactional relationships need to be seen for what they are.  Transactions.  Femdom gives x, sub gives y.  Negotiate and agree to it.  If a sub is letting a woman walk all over him, he can exercise the right to leave. 

But this is the reality check here.  In many cases, some subs say "Oh I was taken advantage of because of my uber-subbliness and my inability to say no" -- bullshit.  You were taken advantage of because you were enamored with the idea of being a slave, being owned, or a potential esclating relationship when there was no potential.  You would not have been taken advantge of by a man in the same case, or a woman who held NO status in the "s&m community" or a woman that was not exciting on some level.  On some level, when facing the choice between self preservation and fantasy, the sub picks fantasy. 

If the femdom in question was dangling a carrot or misrepresenting the relationship status, that's another story, and she's the one at fault. If it was transactional though it has to be presented that way.

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/18/2009 8:43:29 AM   
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I've read your post quite a few times and I understand why you entered the relationship.   How can anyone judge when the time is right?  If I waited until everything was running at optimum levels in my life, I'd never have a relationship. However, this is another reason why I've yet to accept a collar.  Although you were already overwhelmed, you thought things could still work as your post indicated that the Domme was going to assist you in certain areas.   

I'm sure you probably mentioned her offer to assist, but sometimes people (I'm using people as generic) hear and see what will only benefit them.  You don't appear to be afraid to "open your mouth" and remind of her offer to assist; however, it is somewhat daunting to have to continuously bring things up and be labeled as "needy" or whatever the word of the day is.

I'm sorry your relationship ended, however, it's best that you found out that she wasn't willing, capable or able to be there for you.  Thank goodness you didn't face worse illnesses or traumatic situations as it would have been awful to find out she didn't have "your back".  Trust me.....that's a very painful lesson I've learned firsthand.

I hope you've recovered from your physical issues and are well on your way to recovering from the ending of your relationship.  Be well

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RE: Overloaded submissives - 4/18/2009 9:46:18 AM   
agirl


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ORIGINAL: sblady

I've read your post quite a few times and I understand why you entered the relationship.   How can anyone judge when the time is right?  If I waited until everything was running at optimum levels in my life, I'd never have a relationship. However, this is another reason why I've yet to accept a collar.  Although you were already overwhelmed, you thought things could still work as your post indicated that the Domme was going to assist you in certain areas.   



If my life ever managed to be *sorted* it'd be nice ...Failing that, it's really nuts to only bother with a relationship when things are running smoothly. As sblady said above...I'd never have had a single relationship at ALL if that was so.

I have to admit that having my Owner made life simpler .Yes, I'm in the *s* role......but in many ways it's all about *me*. HE can manage his life perfectly well....he doesn't NEED me to *do stuff* for him.

He's always sensitive about finding ways of making my life EASIER .......he'd be appalled if he thought he'd added to any pressures. What could he *need* me for? I don't want to belong to anyone that *needs* me or relies on me in a way that isn't obviously manageable. I don't HAVE to spell it out, though occasionally it's helpful to, if he's unaware of anything extra I'm dealing with.

The bottom line is......he's not there to place extra demands on me, he's there to enhance my life.

agirl



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