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Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:04:44 AM   
pervey69


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Status: offline 		I must admit I am new to this interest, however I find that I would really like to be trained to provide this type service. Having done a fair amount of background on the risks involved I understand that as long as the one providing the training is healthy most of the risk in minimal.  I find on many SM boards that a lot of masters and mistresses enjoy providing this type of training to their slaves.  However, checking this board I find very few.  I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea, but it would seems to be a fitting humiliation to a slave and a service I would love to learn how to provide.  Any reason more are not into this?
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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:20:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, basic biology (or zoology) lesson here.

The spider is the most venomous creature in the animal kingdom.

It is more venomous than the king cobra which per bite delivers 20mg of venom.

It is more venomous than the Western Diamondback rattlesnake which delivers 30mg of venom per bite, or the Mojave rattlesnake which can deliver 45mg of venom per bite. You can add to this the Eastern Diamondback rattlesnake, the water moccasin, and any other snake you can think of.

The active agent in venom are things known as enzymes. This is the same active agent in stuff such as washing powder and soap. This is found in bacteria in the alimentary canal which breaks down food in the stomach, and intestinal tract.

There are more enzymes in shit than you can shake a snake at.

A cobra can bite itself and suffer no harm, just as a rattlesnake can do the same thing.

You can eat your own faeces, like a wolf or a dog, and also come to no harm.

If you ingest enzymes from someone else - you die. It's that simple.

This goes way beyond humiliation and enslavement. This is suicide.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:29:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have found in the past that the reason attitudes might differ here from other places on the internet is that it seems there is a high percentage of people who do this stuff on this site compared to other sites.  Many other internet sites are made up of those who basically fantasize about BDSM, get hot thinking about it, love to talk about it, but would never ever do it.  Many times what your imagination tells you is hot is not so hot when done in reality.

The reason there are not more into this is the squick factor.  For many, if not most, feces and urine are NOT erotic.  Most prefer to keep the eliminating of feces and urine from their body as a private thing between themselves and their toidy.  Most people do not wish to share this private moment, even with a submissive who would get off on the humiliating aspect of it. 

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:48:23 AM   
Lynnxz


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Status: offline 		People here... or at least on the forums, seem for the most part to avoid fantasy- which it seems like the OP is stuck in.

Poo and Pee doesn't do anything for me, after having to care for spectacurally messy patient who also had the disadvantage of having only 2% of his skin left, and a gnarly gangrene issue. So... now it doesn't phase me. Doesn't squick me, but there's no turn on at all.

And Stella, you CAN get sick from eating your own poo. Just because it came out of your rear, does not mean it goes back into your face.


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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:54:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

I have found in the past that the reason attitudes might differ here from other places on the internet is that it seems there is a high percentage of people who do this stuff on this site compared to other sites.  Many other internet sites are made up of those who basically fantasize about BDSM, get hot thinking about it, love to talk about it, but would never ever do it.  Many times what your imagination tells you is hot is not so hot when done in reality.

The reason there are not more into this is the squick factor.  For many, if not most, feces and urine are NOT erotic.  Most prefer to keep the eliminating of feces and urine from their body as a private thing between themselves and their toidy.  Most people do not wish to share this private moment, even with a submissive who would get off on the humiliating aspect of it. 



The other reason the OP may have been observing that a lot of "other sites" feature femdoms who do this is because those "other sites" are pro sites (ie, maxfisch) -- because so many sub men are into full toilet and toilet slavery and less femdoms are, there is a high demand for pros who do this.  They will eagerly position this as something they do all the time, and I am sure they are charging top dollar. 

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 10:13:59 AM   
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The other reason the OP may have been observing that a lot of "other sites" feature femdoms who do this is because those "other sites" are pro sites (ie, maxfisch) -- because so many sub men are into full toilet and toilet slavery and less femdoms are, there is a high demand for pros who do this. They will eagerly position this as something they do all the time, and I am sure they are charging top dollar.

Akasha


I didn't know that, Akasha.  Thanks for the information.  Heck, I've never been to a femdom site so never had a thought that OP might be going to sites that often feature pros.  Those sites of course will cater to the male submissives' fantasies. 

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 10:22:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

quote:

The other reason the OP may have been observing that a lot of "other sites" feature femdoms who do this is because those "other sites" are pro sites (ie, maxfisch) -- because so many sub men are into full toilet and toilet slavery and less femdoms are, there is a high demand for pros who do this. They will eagerly position this as something they do all the time, and I am sure they are charging top dollar.

Akasha


I didn't know that, Akasha.  Thanks for the information.  Heck, I've never been to a femdom site so never had a thought that OP might be going to sites that often feature pros.  Those sites of course will cater to the male submissives' fantasies. 



I have not visited in awhile, but the message boards on maxfisch.com seemed to feature lots of threads about scat and piss....and it's discussed openly and freely and eagerly by lots of femdoms and subs in the threads, leading you to believe that tons of people are engaging in it - all the time. However, most (if not all) of these women are pros and the scenarios they are describing are in the context of a pro session.  Whether or not they do scat and piss in their real life personal relationships is not clear, but I don't think they'd have a  shortage of partners.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 12:11:27 PM   
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stella41b wrote: The active agent in venom are things known as enzymes. This is the same active agent in stuff such as washing powder and soap. This is found in bacteria in the alimentary canal which breaks down food in the stomach, and intestinal tract.

There are more enzymes in shit than you can shake a snake at.

Whoa, there.  An enzyme is just a protein with a specific chemical process.  Saying that `X contains enzymes' is like saying `X contains acid'.  If it's a concentrated strong mineral acid, you really don't want to drink it; if it's dilute acetic acid, it's just plain old vinegar and it won't harm you unless you drink a large amount.

Likewise, there are enzymes all over the place.  There are enzymes in spit that start to break down starch in your food into simpler sugars.  Does that mean that spit is poisonous?  Hell, no.

quote:

If you ingest enzymes from someone else - you die. It's that simple.

That's plain not true.  Well, except insofar as everybody has to die eventually.  If you've ever kissed somebody, you've ingested enzymes from their spit.  If you've ever given anyone oral sex, you've ingested enzymes from them.  More importantly, if you've ever eaten any plant or animal or fungus, you've ingested enzymes from a whole different species.  (You've not been eating people, right?)

Now, eating other people's shit is a really bad idea, but my understanding is that this is because you're likely to pick up any diseases they might be carrying (even if without symptoms) and there might be problems with ingesting other people's gut bacteria.  But this has nothing at all to do with enzymes.

I am not a doctor.  This is not medical advice.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 12:16:18 PM   
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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 12:22:39 PM   
subangi


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Status: offline 		the bacteria called E.coli is in feces...it can cause infection when not in the place that God planned it.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 12:38:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not shit in the mouth I kiss.  I don't often humiliate people either.  So I find no worth is sharing what my white toilet, in the back room is best at.  I have other things I like to do with a submissive and toilet training isn't something I care to mess with.

You may not be able to understand why there aren't more into it because you like it or think you would like it and would like to try it.

But for me and my household... I paid good money for those two bathrooms and we are going to use them! lol

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 1:00:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I can't imagine the smell alone,not being a hugh turnoff.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 1:28:18 PM   
slavekal


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Status: offline 		While I have never engaged in this activity myself, I know for a fact that there are people who do, and they are not all dead.  There are several pro dommes who specialize in this type of service, and they have loyal, repeat customers.  I am not saying that it is without risk, but to say that it is sure death is not accurate.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 1:48:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our local munch discussion list discussed this some time ago . . . . The impetus was the posting of this how-to link:

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/26677


As for myself, this files under the category of stuff I'm interested in knowing about, but have zero interest in exploring personally . .. . .

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 2:09:35 PM   
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This isn't a place to insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others. If you don't like what another person enjoys, rest assured that there are plenty of others out there that probably don't like your activities either.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 2:24:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slavekal

While I have never engaged in this activity myself, I know for a fact that there are people who do, and they are not all dead.  There are several pro dommes who specialize in this type of service, and they have loyal, repeat customers.  I am not saying that it is without risk, but to say that it is sure death is not accurate.
Sorry Kal,but the obvious question that comes to mind after reading your post is....just how many of them are dead.Are the dead perhaps more loyal than the living cutomers...inquiring minds need to know.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 2:38:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well Im not going to poo poo this thread.

I am not and never will be into scat play but I know of a few turd gobblers and a lot more that just talk shit. None of the former have ever come to any harm and so long as they are disease free and not particularly greedy, then a small amount of what they fancy does them no harm.

Nectar is something I like to both give and take with my partner and I find it quite tasteful. It can be given and received lovingly or it can be done as an act of humiliation.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 3:10:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm trying to read up on this as much as possible to educate myself...I've been into the urination aspect of toilet slavery for some time, but am currently considering a sub who has expressed an interest in full toilet slavery. I had never previously considered it, but admit that the thought of someone who wants to engulf all of me, even the "grossest" parts, is a turn-on. While I admit there is a sqeamishness factor, I'm trying to keep an open mind about it.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/14/2009 9:12:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz


And Stella, you CAN get sick from eating your own poo. Just because it came out of your rear, does not mean it goes back into your face.



Exactly, that's what I was pointing out with all that about enzymes. That's what kills you.

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RE: Full toilet training - 4/15/2009 12:44:33 AM   
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stella41b wrote: Exactly, that's what I was pointing out with all that about enzymes. That's what kills you.

No.  Really, it isn't.

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