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ShadowHwk -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 5:18:29 AM)

sublizzy,

You have had much good advice from the others. My .02 on the "wannabe-don't ask questions-bow down before me" jackass comes down to two simple words:

"Get Bent"

Your bound to run into more than a few like this on your journey - but not all are like that, and when you find one that encourages you to ask questions - and is willing to answer those questions - then maybe it is time to sit up and pay attention - but not until.

Peace and Light
Terry




robyn -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 5:47:58 AM)

hi sublizzy,

*sigh*

when a dominant tells you, you are not submissive enough, he usualy is having trouble feeling dominant within himself....and has nothing to do with you....he is lashing out. please dont let it trouble you.

there are some wonderful Doms out there (i see a few here on these boards).Find one who will take time to speak with you and answer your questions. You can talk with a Dom without him comanding you to do a thing. when i first started out i found a special Dom who helped me along.....he never touched me or put a collar of protection on me (rolls eyes). we remaine close friends 4 years later.

Try to remember your vanilla common sense....it applies just as well in your new exciting kinky world.

[;)]


robyn




sublizzy -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 10:47:16 AM)

Thank Y/you so much to everyone who has posted a response to my question. All of Y/your words have been very helpful and made me feel better about continuing this journey of mine. i guess i just need to turn my caution-meter up to a higher setting, but i won't quit trying to find what i am looking for. In time i am sure i will find the right Dom and be thankful i didn't stop searching because of one person.

lizzy




proudsub -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 11:09:32 AM)

In addition to what the others have said i suggest you fill out your profile to let potential doms know more about you and your interests. You might also want to say that you are new to this, that you're not looking for 24/7 right now, and that you don't plan to submit to anyone until you have gotten to know them pretty well. Also make it clear whether you are seeking real life or online relationship. A few things like that hopefully will weed out some of the undesireable doms. Good luck with your search.

There are a lot of very informative threads on this site. You might find it useful to go back through some old ones, especailly on the health and safety forum. To do that set the "display topics" to 365 days at the top of the forum.




topcat -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 4:50:31 PM)

quote:

people have told me i am not a sub either!


Midear Roe-

For what it's worth, I think you're a submissive.

Stay warm,
Lawrence




LadyShoshin -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 5:44:32 PM)

Telling a sub she isn't submissive enough generally means
A)She isn't the right sub for that Dom & he doesn't have the manners to phrase it that way
B)He is an HNG
C)She said no or was cautious about something & hurt his widdle feelings
D)He has to put others down to feel better about himself
E)He has no clue as to what a real sub is & is judging by porn flicks, skin mags & cyber sites




theroebabe -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 6:15:17 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: topcat

Midear Roe-

For what it's worth, I think you're a submissive.

Stay warm,
Lawrence



Thank you so much Lawrence, it hurt me when people i knew and thought of as friends and trusted could actually say that to me, made me doubt myself like that. It is harder when you do not have a Dom in your life to feel submissive as you have no one to submit to and that is a need for most of us. And then when strangers say you arent its like well, so many are saying it could it be true???

But i hear service is good way to feel useful and submit in a way, and people have said i am good at that lololol.

But it is normal for everyone to have doubts at times and we let others get us upset over something that is pure bullshit and is actually their problem. So its just another one of those things that help us grow and become stronger in the knowledge of ourself.

Roe




Thanatosian -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/18/2004 11:03:52 PM)

I would add

F)He isn't domly enough to subjugate her




MastersControl -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/20/2004 9:29:38 PM)

I would like to add...

G) he has no control of himself, much less any sub/slave.

And all of the abover are the reason why.... lol

MC




newflowers -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/23/2004 12:07:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sublizzy

Thank Y/you so much to everyone who has posted a response to my question. All of Y/your words have been very helpful and made me feel better about continuing this journey of mine. i guess i just need to turn my caution-meter up to a higher setting, but i won't quit trying to find what i am looking for. In time i am sure i will find the right Dom and be thankful i didn't stop searching because of one person.

lizzy


Yay for you - there are some who think that being submissive is about weakness and you'll be a pushover. When you show that you are not, the first thing they do is cast aspersions on your submissive nature. It took me a while to figure out on my own the advice you've received here - that accusation is not about any lack in you.

Keep going and I wish you the very best in your search.

newflowers




cheeba0228 -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/24/2004 6:53:14 PM)

Might just be me but this guy doesnt sound like much of a "Dom" sounds more like a judgemental misinformed asshole. You submitted to him not enslaved yourself. If he wants something just for sexual gratification tell him to find a hooker or a blowup doll. Not a person as special to submit themselves. You wouldnt treat a pet that way what makes him think that a person would be any different. A sub still deserves respect.




WayHome -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/24/2004 6:59:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: newflowers
Yay for you - there are some who think that being submissive is about weakness and you'll be a pushover. When you show that you are not, the first thing they do is cast aspersions on your submissive nature. It took me a while to figure out on my own the advice you've received here - that accusation is not about any lack in you.




Hmm, sounds like something that should definitely be included in the "Users Manual to Internet Kink"--if there was such a thing :-(




Sylph -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (8/27/2004 12:50:18 PM)

Do not take everything said to you to heart. Not everyone here has the same motivations.The title Dom means little. Anyone can click that next to their profile.Unfortunatly there are pple who like to use it to give themselves a sense of personal power they lack IRL.

Anyone questions your instincts of personal protection should be viewed warily.

Relationsips should be fulfilling. Do not settle for anything less than someone you trust, who views this kink the same way you do, and who fulfills your personal needs.




blueisis -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (9/6/2004 4:58:33 PM)

lizzy, I feel for you. I am in somewhat of a similar situation. Trying to find a true Dom. I have met 2 so far. One that, I want to kick myself that I let go, and another with his sub at a kink club in Florida. Take your time. There are many posers( like my current dom), who don't really know what it means to be dominant. They just have no control,and that can lead to serious problems. Always ask questions. If they don't want you to ask, you don't want them. I am only a year and a half in, but I am definitely learning what I do and don't want in a dom. Be patient. He will come to you, and it will be a beautiful experience for you both. Hang in there!




cheeba0228 -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (9/6/2004 7:59:43 PM)

Well unless you totally submit to him (and i know others will disagree with me on this) he cant force you to do it. If you have submitted to him, then you have no right to question his commands, but he also has no right to force you to do that which you have told him you will not.




Synocense -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (9/8/2004 8:36:40 AM)

Don't forget there is such a thing as "submitting in portions" ....especially starting out, discover the difference between submitting and surrendering. : )

Best of luck my submissive friend! *grins*

Syn




MC2044 -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (9/8/2004 3:23:42 PM)

I agree and support what ScorpioMaster said. My "GOAL" for my slaves is they "obey without question or hesitation." Now that does not mean they cannot question me, seek out advice from others, or in any way limit their ability to acquire the information they need. What it means is when I command them, I expect instant obedience. This level of obedience only comes through trust, and that trust can take time to build. Until they reach that level of obedience, I expect some question or hesitation at the moment of command. I plan for that. When the time comes they can obey w/o Q or H, then we know they have achieved the level of submission I seek.

Now an assesment of submissiveness is very subjective. It changes from dominant to dominant and submissive to submissive. Our expectations cannot be met, if we are not specific about what we wish from our subs. So in answer to your question, I have to say, I don't know you; so cannot ascertain if you are submissive enough for me


quote:

ORIGINAL: ScorpioMaster

sublizzy It takes time for you to trust your Dom and as time grows you do not question him. I usually will educate my sub so she could understand why I do these things I ask of her. The guy is just a player and it takes time for you to grow to understand what it means to be submissive. There are too many players on line and you need to educate yourself first so you can weed out the real people and the players. Subs have the right to use her head and best advice I can give you is to go out and buy the SM 101 book from Jay Wiseman so you can arm yourself with information. To call some one names before they can teach them why or to understand his sub is not what allot real Dom’s will do. Some people like humiliation to be called cunt and slut while some do not but he needs to understand if you are one. I also would recommend for you to seek out your local munches and sloshes in your community so you can learn for those who been in the lifestyle longer than you have been. Good luck




DomN8her -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (9/9/2004 5:55:09 AM)

It takes a strong woman to submit and a strong man to hold that power in His hands. Together, the top and bottom form a whole, which is stronger than the parts. she reflects the light like the moon reflects the Sun but this is a circle that draws it's power from each, one guiding and one following. you should question everything and he should answer and give direction. This is how one grows. Be well.




MasterScorpious -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (11/12/2004 12:18:38 AM)



Let me start off with the statement that the Dom is question is likely a wannabe and a jerk. An alarm should have gone off in head as soon as he started. You are NOT his sub and you may choose or NOT choose to submit as you see fit. Do not question your instincts. You will find that they are correct more often than not. I am cut and pasting a portion of an article I wrote for an online BDSM ezine...I think you may find it informative.

Every so often a submissive goes thru a period of time when they are questioning whether they are good enough. This usually occurs at a time when he/she is actually going deeper into his/her submission and it is a very dangerous and emotional time for a BDSM couple. This is sometimes referred to as a "crisis of submission", and believes me a novice or inexperienced Dominant will screw it up. Invariably when this occurs the submissive tends to get quiet, uncommunicative and feisty and the Dominant gets frustrated, confused and at times angry. The submissive will not tell the Dom what is wrong and the Dom will know something is. He/she will fight everything and the Dom will push even harder because of that. Before I realized what this was all about I actually lost relationships because of it. However at the root of this is yet another communication problem so I will spell things out for you submissives even though I suspect you won't be listening.

Your Master/ Mistress/Dom chose you. He/She had a lot of other choices but he picked you. If you are or were not good enough He/She would have left for greener pastures long ago. Do not be influenced by other "so called Dominants" that tell you that because you do not do or you Dominant does not do this or that you can not be a "true submissive/slave." You have only three people or things to answer to, your God, Your Master/Mistress, and yourself. `Unless he is Your Master what Master Joe Smith from Kokomo Indiana thinks about you, your Dominant or your training is totally irrelevant. Slave has an ICQ address and name that clearly identifies her as a slave and profile clearly states she has a Master and is not looking to replace me. You would be amazed and shocked how many times we turn on ICQ and find a "get on your knees and suck my cock bitch" message on it. The point is Master Joe Smith from Kokomo Indiana probably would have no more of an idea of what to do with a naked kneeling submissive than he would an atomic bomb.

Recently there was a Dom on one of the Yahoo groups I am on that was lamenting the fact that there are no submissive woman that are willing to meet him with no limits. Of course he went on to describe in detail what this submissive should look like and suffice it to say he was looking for a “Leather Barbie” that is just as mindless. Any submissive that would agree to no limits with a person they have never met is either mindless or a fool. If as a sub you get a message from a “Dom” in an email that says he wants no limits an alarm should immediately go off in your head and your reply to them should be “thanks but no thanks.”

By the way these so called “Dominants searching for a “Leather Barbie” is one of my pet peeves. Your basic Leather Barbie is a young “submissive” female that looks absolutely fantastic in fetish attire, but is probably no more of a true submissive than Madonna is an actress. If this is the type of submissive you are seeking your odds of succeeding are greatly enhanced if you are a “Leather Ken.” These girls do exist and even though I have painted them with a very broad brush some of them are actually very real and are excellent submissives. It is also NOT realistic you limit your search to these types because of the following:

In your basic online chat room (and in spite of our best efforts this is still the most reliable way to meet a submissive) that purports to be BDSM oriented let’s say that there are 20 people. Of these 20 people on the average 14 of them are either wannabes or neverwillbes. That leaves six, of these six at least one and possibly two are potentially dangerous. Now you have to deal with whether or not one of the last four is sexually compatible with you, whether or not the distance that they live from you is actually within reason. Now to top all that off you still have to weed through the other 14 to determine that they are indeed wannabes or neverwillbes and some of those can and do disguise themselves very well. Beyond all that you want to limit yourself even further because in your mind you just have to have a “Leather Barbie.” Some Dominants get lucky and get model quality submissives but frankly most don’t and limiting yourself in that way only makes your search that much more improbable. It will also cause you to pass up and reject excellent submissives that may be “Diamonds in the Rough.”



I wish you luck in your search and again tell you that you were NOT dealing with a true Dominant

Master Scorpio




cranialcarnage -> RE: Am i not Submissive Enough? (11/14/2004 12:57:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cheeba0228

Well unless you totally submit to him (and i know others will disagree with me on this) he cant force you to do it. If you have submitted to him, then you have no right to question his commands, but he also has no right to force you to do that which you have told him you will not.


This really makes no sense to me; since when does a sub not have the right to question her Dom? I can understand not having the right to disobey, but losing the right to question altogether? If I don't understand something my Dom wants me to do or I totally disagree with it, I am ALWAYS going to question Him. I will still do what He says (unless it is going to bring me harm and He doesn't know that already), but if I feel the need to ask about it, I am not going to let my status in the relationship keep me silent.




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