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popeye1250 -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:06:27 PM)
They don't call them, "Politically Correct Goose Steppers" for nothing. Attempting to control others thoughts is just plain evil.

kdsub -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:13:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub It is an attempt to be civilized… a shame it’s not native to our way of thinking. Butch Rephase: Wouldn't it be more productive to stop attempting to be civilized, and work at being more responsable? Kim I don't see anything wrong with being politically correct... it is just being polite... it has nothing to do with responsibility or lack there of. Show me an example where politically correct was used and was irresponsible. Butch

Apocalypso -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 They don't call them, "Politically Correct Goose Steppers" for nothing. Because they're unable to form coherent arguments so fall back on overextended childish Nazi analogies instead? Or are we talking at crosspurposes. quote: Attempting to control others thoughts is just plain evil. Name a single example of that happening.

kdsub -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:20:50 PM)
It seems to me you can get any point across and at the same time not offend political sensibilities...Unless of course offending is the point of the conversation. Butch

Anarrus -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:21:19 PM)
Perhaps George Carlin put it best. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/1521/carlin_pclanguage1.html Many people just use political correctness to make themselves feel good, while actually doing damn little to work towards eradicating the root causes of what makes people victims in the first place. Anarrus

DesFIP -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:34:57 PM)
My experience with people saying they won't abide by p.c. is that they want to continue to use racial and other slurs. My oldest didn't get called a kike until her freshman year in college, she had to call and ask me what the word meant. I consider this an advance in the world. And I'm grateful to p.c. that this happened. I was a lot younger the first time someone called me that.

cpK69 -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:37:40 PM)
The problem, as I see it, is that it deters people from dealing with their feelings toward the use of ‘offensive’ words, by telling people they should be offended. My belief is, while words hold meaning within themselves, their application to a given situation/person, should only hold relevance, if they hold truth. If the truth hurts, figure out why, and change it, if deemed necessary. It comes across as an excuse for not discussing sensitive issues. Kim

DesFIP -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 1:42:38 PM)
I don't care if people hate all Italians, I do care that they don't express it to others. Then can go home and express their nastiness in their own little space where no one else has to be subjected to their bile. Which is a lot better than calling the coworker who got the promotion you wanted a dago or wop. By having to think about what you say, maybe people will think about why they say it. Sexual harassment is a pc issue also. You don't go up to one coworker and say "nice hooters" and then turn to the one she's talking to and say "too bad yours aren't so big". It's rude and offensive and it should get you fired. Which hopefully will teach someone to think before they speak.

cpK69 -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:02:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP I don't care if people hate all Italians, I do care that they don't express it to others. Then can go home and express their nastiness in their own little space where no one else has to be subjected to their bile. Which is a lot better than calling the coworker who got the promotion you wanted a dago or wop. I wouldn’t claim to always have had this perspective, but it did come to my attention that those who display hate towards others; really hate themselves. I think it is important to recognize this, and to point it out when ever applicable, so that those who might be offended learn to leave that hate with the one hating, instead of carrying it with them. quote: By having to think about what you say, maybe people will think about why they say it. I suspect that it is the furthest thing from the minds, of those are irresponsible in their speech. However, asking them what their really trying to say, or just walking away, might get them to think about it. quote: Sexual harassment is a pc issue also. You don't go up to one coworker and say "nice hooters" and then turn to the one she's talking to and say "too bad yours aren't so big". It's rude and offensive and it should get you fired. Which hopefully will teach someone to think before they speak. Isn’t sexual harassment more of a consent issue? Kim

kdsub -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:15:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 The problem, as I see it, is that it deters people from dealing with their feelings toward the use of ‘offensive’ words, by telling people they should be offended. My belief is, while words hold meaning within themselves, their application to a given situation/person, should only hold relevance, if they hold truth. If the truth hurts, figure out why, and change it, if deemed necessary. It comes across as an excuse for not discussing sensitive issues. Kim I do understand what you are saying...or at least your belief...but you have to show me an example... a small child does not know to be polite but he is taught why and when to say please and thank you... If I find words that insult or hurt people I will not say them and teach my children not to say them. It is just polite. That is all political correctness is. I don't need to use slang or a curse or hurtful words to get my point across...or to insult. Butch

Kirata -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:15:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aneirin where did the notion of political correctness all come from ? The Origins of Political Correctness K.

Vendaval -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:22:57 PM)
I am 50/50 on this issue. In some cases there is an improvement to language and in others a detriment. YMMV

kittinSol -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:29:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP My experience with people saying they won't abide by p.c. is that they want to continue to use racial and other slurs. . Bingo. I will also echo thedark: PC is progress. There's nothing wrong in analysing language and in making sure that it evolves as a force for progress. People who are against PC tend to be reactionaries who want to continue in the good old ways - why else would they rile against it? Sometimes, I love making horribly sexist jokes or puns. Sometimes I will say something completely unPC because it's funny: but never in public. Common sense, a sense of context, and civility: that's the way to rock it. quote: Besides, people that bemoan political correctness only want an excuse to continue being rude most of the time. You get the whole ' I am going to speak how I darn well like and if you find it offensive that is your problem'... that is bull. Both the listener and the speaker are equally as responsible. I am pretty bored of the whole PC debate really. Words evolve and change all the time and that is all it really is. So in answer to your question. No. Get used to it.

cpK69 -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:47:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I do understand what you are saying...or at least your belief...but you have to show me an example... a small child does not know to be polite but he is taught what and when to say please and thank you... I see being polite as being humble. Does politics really have anything to do with being humble, or am I mistaken in my thinking on humility? quote: If I find words that insult or hurt people I will not say them and teach my children not to say them. It is just polite. I think it is more productive, is to explain what the word means, explain why it offends others to use it, and what consequences might occur in doing so, so that people learn to be responsible in their choice of words. quote: I don't need to use slang or a curse or hurtful words to get my point across...or to insult. I am with you here, but believe it is just as much my responsability as the receiver, to deal with my emotions toward any offensive statements. One of the example of political correctness that I think is more harmful then helpful, “learning disabled”. There is at least one group of people, who I believe, are conveniently placed in this group, to cover the public school systems failure to “teach” productively. Kim

MadameMarque -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 2:57:58 PM)
"Political correctness" is practicing good politics, by exhibiting sensitivity and respect toward the interests of others. Being sensitive and respectful toward others is an excellent way to be. I get really tired of people defending rudeness, apathy, even cruelty, and the perpetuation of prejudice, simply by decrying better behaviour as "PC," as if that were an insult. Now if you were complaining about people giving lip service to "political correctness," while being hypocritical, in truth, or if you were complaining about people who brow beat you for not knowing what the latest PC thing is - then I could get behind griping about it.

kdsub -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 3:04:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cpK69 I see being polite as being humble. Does politics really have anything to do with being humble, or am I mistaken in my thinking on humility? No being polite is being polite… humble does not enter into it. quote: I think it is more productive, is to explain what the word means, explain why it offends others to use it, and what consequences might occur in doing so, so that people learn to be responsible in their choice of words. Of course then you tell them not to say the words... you are not rebutting you are agreeing. quote: One of the example of political correctness that I think is more harmful then helpful, “learning disabled”. There is at least one group of people, who I believe, are conveniently placed in this group, to cover the public school systems failure to “teach” productively. OK what would you call the "learning disabled"? That is one of many polite terms used to describe people with disabilities. Politically correct wording has nothing to do with your school system and their failures. Butch

Apocalypso -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 3:44:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata The Origins of Political Correctness K. That would be the same Lind who believes that " The real damage to race relations in the South came not from slavery, but from Reconstruction, which would not have occured if the South had won"? EDIT: And addressed Holocaust Denial conferences. Thanks for the insight into what the anti PC crusaders actually stand for.

Crush -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 3:59:32 PM)
Political Correctness is cowardice. It is an attempt to gloss over important issues. And by itself, as has been stated elsewhere, Political Speech is not Politically Correct by its very nature. Just try to post an Obama joke here and see... I want to hear what people have to say, even if it is offensive. That way I know who they really are, not what they pretend to be out of fear or a need to hide what they really feel or think. That way, I can respond appropriately. I can challenge them or agree with them. Culture will change what is acceptable language by itself over time. And it those warts that need to be exposed to be treated. PC is just BS. Politically Correct Dictionary This dictionary will keep you out of trouble. Actor: metamorphosing being, possessing great wealth Actress: metamorphosing being, possessing great wealth (and occasionally great beauty) Android: bipedal, non-human associate, bearing immense knowledge and skill Bag boy: agricultural product organizer Bald: follicularly challenged Bomb: vertically deployed antipersonnel device Boy: oppressor-to-be Brainwashing: cognitive accommodation Cafeteria: dining facility Car: earth-unfriendly, vertically-challenged mode of transport Car Wash Worker: vehicle-appearance specialist Cat: quadruped non-human associate Cheating: cooperative assignment Computer: machine bearing immense power and fallibility Criticism: unjust self-esteem reducer Dead: metabolically challenged Demand: propose strongly Derision: nontraditional praise Dirty Old Man: sexually focused, chronologically gifted individual Dumb: cerebrally challenged Evil: niceness deprived Exercise: body enhancement through exertion Failure: non-traditional success Fart: human ozone depletor; ecologically incorrect expression Fat: horizontally challenged: person of substance Garbage collector: sanitation engineer Gas Station Attendant: petroleum transfer technician Girl: pre-woman Guess: anomaly maneuvers: repetitive predictions Handicapped: physically challenged Heroine: hera Homeless person: residentially flexible individual Hurricane: himmicane (non sexist) Ignorant: factually unencumbered Incorrect: alternative answer Individualism: uncooperative spirit Information: overly structured trivia Insane: reality challenged Kill: creating a permanent state of metabolic dormancy; servicing the target (military) Lazy: motivationally dispossessed Lost: locationally disadvantaged Man: oppressor Manhole: maintenance portal Misunderstand: personalized interpretation Monster: person of scales Mugging: unforeseen funding of underclass Murderer: termination specialist Nerd: under-attractive, cerebrally gifted individual Numismatist: capitalist monetary acquisition expert Nut: hexagonal rotatable surface compression unit Off: energy efficient Old: chronologically gifted Perfume: discretionary fragrance Pervert: person engaged in nontraditional espionage Pissed off: satisfaction deprived Political: amorally gifted Poor: economically marginalized Prisoner: client of the correctional system Prostitute: body entrepreneur Redneck: rustically inclined Rich: economically maximized Secretary: stationery engineer Sex: cooperative physical fitness Sexist: gender biased with niceness deprived overtones Short: altitudinally disadvantaged: vertically challenged Sleepy: under-alert Smart: cerebrally gifted Specialist: physician having concentrated on a particular field of tax shelters Structure: impersonal hindrance Tall: vertically gifted: altitudinally endowed Teacher: volunteer knowledge conveyor Teaching: personality repression Television: medium of electrons moving in disorganized patterns Tired: rest-challenged Uglier: over under-attractive Ugliest: over-under-attractively gifted Ugly: under-attractive Unemployed: non-waged Unsure: conceptual conflict Waiter: waitron Waitress: waitron White: melanin-impoverished; member of the mutant albino genetic-recessive global minority Woman: w/o man; womyn Zipper: interlocking slide fasteners http://www.funny2.com/dictionary.htm

Kirata -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 3:59:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Apocalypso That would be the same Lind who believes that " The real damage to race relations in the South came not from slavery, but from Reconstruction, which would not have occured if the South had won"? Thanks for the insight into what the anti PC crusaders actually stand for. Let's see, you have nothing whatsoever intelligent to say about the actual content of the piece, but everyone who dislikes PC implicitly "stands for" something unrelated to it and which it did not say. Very good, very good. Carry on. K.

camille65 -> RE: Political Correctness ? (4/21/2009 4:08:33 PM)
I think that PC really does have its place. Yes it can go too far and it is an easy target for making fun, but words can hurt. There are some words that are used as weapons and only for the degradation of others. I think it is important for those words to be removed and neutral words as replacements. Like so much in life it is a balance, but taken too far it is a balancing act.

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