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kittinSol -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/22/2009 6:45:20 PM)
Bravo. Spot on.

Irishknight -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/22/2009 6:51:15 PM)
I have worked security checkpoints. You stand there all day and they tell you "Check every 50th car" or "check every 15th red car." This guy is a criminal, not a hero. He is actively baiting these men and harrassing them at their job. If he has a real history with them rather than the fake beating story he has online then he should be trying to look less the harasser and more the victim for his day in court when he makes Uncle Sam pay him some money.

kittinSol -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/22/2009 6:57:28 PM)
Hmmmmmmm... perhaps they should subject these border people to some psychological profiling? If they're that twitchy and easily bored, I suggest they take up knitting and Tai-Chi. This should soothe their nerves a little. Oh... and a nice hot cuppa Chamomile tea.

Kirata -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/22/2009 8:26:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight This has already been posted on another thread. Yeah, I didn't connect them at first because he's not a CNN reporter, he works for an ABC affiliate. K.

thishereboi -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/22/2009 9:27:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop personally, I'd have busted out his window then given him more stitches. AND smash the shit outta his camera. He pulled into the checkpoint with a camera running.. he INTENDED to incite the LEOs. fucking wanker. like has been said.. forcing a point to make a point. I've been through that checkpoint many times.. Normally, theyre pretty laidback, unless given cause to NOT be. You mean people don't usually go through checkpoints with a camera running and a copy of the constitution in their backpack? Sorry but from what I got out of the video, he went in looking for trouble and got it.

SteelofUtah -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/23/2009 8:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amelliagrace *FR -* *Get a grip, folks.* *As I understand it, this man has had to stop at this checkpoint frequently. He has been hasseled at times.* The fact is, this is not a checkpoint at a border between the US and Mexico (or any other nation). This is an INTERNAL checkpoint...something I'm not at all convinced is Constitutional. IMO, the Constitution is pretty clear as regards the rights of its citizens when it comes to search and siezure. Just being obnoxious is not grounds, under the Constitution, for violating the rights of a US Citizen. Like him or not, they guy does know his rights in this matter. Pity is, more people don't, and of those who do, way too many acquiece under pressure. You can bet your sweet tushie they did not allow this man to pass because their superiors decided they had "better things to do". Someone further up the food chain checked with someone regard the legalities, and their chances of getting drug into court over this. I personally know a very fine fellow, a die hard, partiotic American, family man, rock musician, physician, and Dead Head. He looks like a cross between a hippy and a thug. Since the man started driving, he's been stopped and searched pretty much every time he crosses the US border. This has gone on for decades. Based on nothing at all, save he looks like a cross between a thug and a hippy. To me, he looks like a huge teddy bear, but that is beside the point. It is important to have border security. It is every bit as important to protect the liberties for which Americans have fought, bled, and died. *Here's some commentary for those of you not too close minded to try and thing a bit less emotionally regarding this incident:* http://lpcitrus.blogspot.com/2009/04/supreme-court-makes-decision-for.html#links *This isn't about personality, folks, or whether we think someone is an asshole. It is about your rights as a citizen.* *Grace* quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah This is a good write up of the fourth amendment right as it pertains to road blocks and this man was causing a problem not defending his right because according to sepreme court decisions while at the check point they had every right to stop him and ask him questions read the WHOLE section under road blocks and specifically the part about stoping cars at a boarder check point for illegal aliens. Seriously this guy was not the Hero you are painting him to be. Steel Grace, All due respect it is people who believe the 4th amendment means they do not have to submit to legal check points. READ THE LINK. The suppreme court has ruled that these checkpoints are constitutional and so it becomes LEGAL Search and Seziure. The 4th protects you against ILLEGAL search and seziure. It is people who THINK they understand their rights who cause issues like this man on the Video. He in all reality couild have been killed for what he was doing and all because he was trying to FORCE a Point by causing an issue. So that you know If he had been in Mexico he could have done this and been killed by the Federale. The fact that he was in America and at a LEGAL checkpoint means he was breaking the Law both State and Federal and could have been subject to arrest. The 4th does not protect him against his actions and the behaviour he exhibited at a state check point could be considered interfeing with a police inspection and gotten him either a few nights in jail or one night in jail and a 2000 dollar fine. This guy is not defending his rights he is misrepresenting them and demanding rights that you don't actually have is in my opinion grounds to educate the individual, by showing him what his actual rights are, which are. The Right to Remain Silent .... SO Shut the fuck up. The right to an Attorney ... And if you get Johnny Cochoran I swear to fucking God I'll kill you myself. Steel

GreedyTop -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/23/2009 8:39:06 AM)
I gotta get the link I was sent about the NYPD training video.. but gmail is being a bitch right now

Owner59 -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/23/2009 9:44:07 AM)
I don`t think anyone wanted the preacher to get beaten up,maced,tazed but he made very difficult not to want to. He was so antagonistic from the get go.The guards were ramped up but only after a long while,I`d have been ramped up.The supervisor was very polite and restrained. This is post 9/11.Timothy McVeigh looked just as normal as ~ the preacher~.This isn`t a game.That guy knew what he was doing.The preacher set it up and wanted a confrontation. Doesn`t mean we condone the violence ,kittin. Personally,if I was a member of this guy`s church,I`d quit and put as much distance as possible between us.Though ~the preacher~ may have some appeal with a few,he`s trouble.

amelliagrace -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/23/2009 1:04:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SteelofUtah Grace, All due respect it is people who believe the 4th amendment means they do not have to submit to legal check points. READ THE LINK. The suppreme court has ruled that these checkpoints are constitutional and so it becomes LEGAL Search and Seziure. The 4th protects you against ILLEGAL search and seziure. It is people who THINK they understand their rights who cause issues like this man on the Video. He in all reality couild have been killed for what he was doing and all because he was trying to FORCE a Point by causing an issue. So that you know If he had been in Mexico he could have done this and been killed by the Federale. The fact that he was in America and at a LEGAL checkpoint means he was breaking the Law both State and Federal and could have been subject to arrest. The 4th does not protect him against his actions and the behaviour he exhibited at a state check point could be considered interfeing with a police inspection and gotten him either a few nights in jail or one night in jail and a 2000 dollar fine. This guy is not defending his rights he is misrepresenting them and demanding rights that you don't actually have is in my opinion grounds to educate the individual, by showing him what his actual rights are, which are. The Right to Remain Silent .... SO Shut the fuck up. The right to an Attorney ... And if you get Johnny Cochoran I swear to fucking God I'll kill you myself. Steel *Steel -* With all due respect, we are not discussing what the Federales in Mexico can do to someone attempting to cross a NATIONAL BORDER. Last time I checked, the Constitution grants freedom of travel within its borders to its citizens unless they are detained for PROBABLY CAUSE. Are you really wanting to see that liberty pissed away to the point that you hear "Papers, comrade?" every time you hit the interstate? It is one thing to have BORDER PATROL checkpoints at the BORDER. It is quite another to stop US Citizens on their way to work, miles and miles from a border with another nation. They had no legitimate reason to do a search, that much was as obvious as the fact that he's a real asshole. The jerk passes through that check point several times a month, if memory serves, and obviously had had enough of illegitimate hassel. You may enjoy sitting by and watching your Constitutional liberties fade into oblivion, but not everyone does. I don't consider him a "hero", but he does in point of fact know his rights under the fourth ammendment. I don't know about you, but if I wanted to live in a facist state, I'd move to one. The citizens of this country have more rights than "the right to remain silent" and "the right to an attorney". Furthermore, in spite of the fact that I loathe and detest Johnny Cochoran, you don't have the right to dictate who someone else can can't select as their attorney. Get a grip, and a reality check. (Now, if you were advocating super gluing Johnny's lips together, I might chip in for the glue. [:D] But that is an entirely different matter.) *Grace*

SteelofUtah -> RE: Our Border Patrol At Work (4/23/2009 1:46:10 PM)
Grace, You obviously did not read the link in my thread. ANY Checkpoint as long as it is not profiling and is searching for something that is of reasonable understanding.... such as a Boarder checkpoint within 100 miles of the boarder are legal and consititutional under the current amendments and SCOTUS ruling. I do not like to sit idiley by and watch my Rights be pissed away, but the process that makes america the great place that it is has already ruled on this subject. I went to your Libritarian Post and tried to comment and the Mods never let it be posted because getting out of your car when getting pulled over in Las Vegas or California could be seen as an act of agression and any police officer will tell you that you should stay in your car until asked to get out of it. Getting Shot to make a point just makes you a Marytr and that sad thing about Martyrs is that they have to die. The Constitutional Right afforded by the 4th amendment is freedom from ILLEGAL search and seziures not ANY Search and Seziure. Because a Highway checkpoint cannot force certain people though it they can only inspect the vehicles that come to them, because of this random factor they are not profiling the individuals that cross and because of that are not breaking your Constitutional Right as determined by the US Supreme Court. I am ALL about protecting your rights but I think you need to UNDERSTAND your rights before you go about protecting them. The 4th amendment is to protect the government from looking for you SPECIFICALLY and coming into your home looking for contraband. A Roadside Checkpoint doesn't single anyone out they are searching for what a problem in the situation on the video they are specifically looking for Illegal Imigrants being Smuggled and bu setting up a checkpoint with people who can communicate with the illegal immigrants they are helping to keep them from crossing illegally. This guy is trying to start crap with this because he feels he is being singled out and feels that this checkpoint was put up just for him and argues the point, since this guy is causing problems and won't agree to be cooperative then I would have reason to believe that he is doing something wrong or trying to interfere with the purpose of the check point both of which would be illegal and he would not be protected under the 4th amendment in that situation. We are arguing two different things I agree with protecting your right to illegal search and seziure but this was LEGAL and so the 4th doesn't even come into play. Steel ETA: the Right to Remain Silent bit was from Leathal Weapon 4 said by Chris Rock it was funny as hell not ment to be literal. What I was getting at is that if you try to defend a right you do not actually have then you will be arrested and they will tell you what rights you have at that point in time. The 4th amendment right would not protect him in a court of law if he were arrested for what he did. Serioully READ THE LINK from my previous post.

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