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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/9/2007 10:48:26 PM   
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Why do folks resurrect old threads?...Why not start a new one?

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don't give a crap what my husband does as long as i don't find out. if he's doing something that keeps him happy, keeps him off the edge, and i don't ever have to be bothered about it, hell, works for me.


Why would you care at all...Since he beats you and you want a divorce?....You might not be alright in the noggin'.


Emphasis on the "don't."




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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 2:58:06 AM   
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A great many people can't manage to be honest with themselves, so  everyone be honest with others ain't going to happen. Making such a demand is just short of cruel.


Cruel? Don't make Me laugh. One of the reasons such behaviour continues is because it gets validated and they are told it is OK to be two-faced lying low-lifes by PC numpties rather than society holding them to account and making them face the responcibilitys of their actions like the adults they are supposed to be.

So long as they can get away with it then they will do it and look for acceptance and reasurance for it. In being accepting of it YOU are helping perpetuate it. I refuse to validate it either by what I say or by My silence when the issue is raised. They need to know and understand it is NOT acceptable, they shouldn't BE validated..... and I do wonder at the reasons behind those who do validate. It raises quiestions about their adgenda and trustworthyness. Giving validation to themselves in the guise of giving it to others perhaps?


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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 1:30:11 PM   
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I am not smart enough to be able to tell the difference between someone lying because they want to take the easy way out, and someone who is lying because they are fundamentally incapable of honesty, even to themselves. Both classes are displaying the behavior of a person who is weak, so I leave it there. Honesty is good, lying is bad, I get that. However, lack of honesty *weakness of self*  is such an epidemic problem in these modern times that to expect it to go away is lacking a grasp on reality, and hammering those who can not be honest is cruel. The only way out is to hate the sin but love the sinner, and to try to make sure that our kids are stronger better people than we are. I never quietly accept someone close to me lying to me, but I don't consider it a deal breaker either.

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 1:35:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MissOchistic

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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Why do folks resurrect old threads?...Why not start a new one?

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MissOchistic
don't give a crap what my husband does as long as i don't find out. if he's doing something that keeps him happy, keeps him off the edge, and i don't ever have to be bothered about it, hell, works for me.


Why would you care at all...Since he beats you and you want a divorce?....You might not be alright in the noggin'.


Emphasis on the "don't."





Explain this "don't"  Why would you care?

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 1:36:16 PM   
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However, lack of honesty *weakness of self*  is such an epidemic problem in these modern times that to expect it to go away is lacking a grasp on reality, and hammering those who can not be honest is cruel.


To do otherwise is simply pandering to the lies, giving tacit approval and 'justification'. If you start pandering you simply encourage it, treat it as the unacceptable social problem it is and just maybe they will find being honest is easier then being caught out and having to face the consequences, being held accountable for their actions rather than being pandered to!


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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 1:37:00 PM   
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If someone lies to me, i do consider it a deal breaker. i dont tolerate lies in any manner. As i tell my son, the truth will set You free, lying will get Your ass beat. i have had men tell me a good many things, if i dont beleive them, i find the truth out, no matter what extent i have to go to, and i am the one that is set free and they are the one in shame.
How can you be with someone that has leid to you. One lie leads to another and another and another. i stop it at the first one. if someone cant tell me the truth then why are they my freind, my lover, my confidant?   

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 1:52:49 PM   
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There are more than two options, pandering and stoning are two of many possible responses. I make sure the person know that I know that they lied, that I don't appreciate it, then I move on.

Chanele: Those who "never tell a lie" are in my experience some of the most sorry of the walking dead around. They remind me of the people who when writing consider it a high crime to make a punctuation mistake, but who have no interest in the content of the sentences. The level of misplaced priority is astounding to me. I want to be around people who are alive, who are interesting and who challenge me. If they have weaknesses or break a few rules along the way I can live with that, so long as it is not out of hand.  I am not stupid, I have a good idea of when I have been lied to, I don't need to get hung up on punishing a person for lying to me.

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 2:02:10 PM   
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Those who "never tell a lie" are in my experience some of the most sorry of the walking dead around.


So you would rather pander to liars than be around honest people? Hmmmm Does make one wonder why especialy when you seem to have a vested interest in having liars pandered to? You denegrate honest people, pander to liars? Not making any 'assumptions' but I can see where they 'could' be made.


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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 2:54:46 PM   
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Well, I royally messed up that last post. I forgot the quotes, and completely miss-worded some of what I was trying to say. That is what I get for typing and sending just before I leave for work. Not an excuse, only an explanation; sorry.

I would like to this opotunity to say it the way I meant it.

I suppose my father could have left, but it might have left us without a house and I might have finished growing up with not only a mother who was miserable, but in a situation similar to what I struggle through now with my UM’s, because their fathers did leave.
The words of my brother, when I proved to be less then ecstatic because he still chose to be friends with my ex after he cheated on me, come to mind: “Just because he cheated doesn’t make him a bad friend; it just means he sucks as a boyfriend/husband.”

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One of the reasons such behaviour continues is because it gets validated and they are told it is OK to be two-faced lying low-lifes by PC numpties rather than society holding them to account and making them face the responcibilitys of their actions like the adults they are supposed to be.


PC numpties?… what is that?

I do not know what the internet was like in 1999, (I didn’t have access and really didn’t need to back then), but I can say, as I sat in a courtroom, listening to the judge tell us, (the ex and I), that our legal separation was granted on the grounds of irreconcilable differences, and I looked from the judge, to my ex, his girlfriend (in her 6th mo of pregnancy), and back at the judge, telling her I had a problem with that, while I pointed at his girlfriend; because he was cheating, her decision to leave it as irreconcilable differences had nothing to do with what anyone was saying on the internet.

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So long as they can get away with it then they will do it and look for acceptance and reasurance for it. In being accepting of it YOU are helping perpetuate it. I refuse to validate it either by what I say or by My silence when the issue is raised. They need to know and understand it is NOT acceptable, they shouldn't BE validated.....


You are right. Those who cheated in my examples were wrong for doing so. All three could have found a better way and not one of them was acting on more then selfishness, but still, when I look at my equation: motive=bad goal=bad results=good/lesser evil; I can’t overlook results.

It is not something I would encourage, nor is it something I would expect of myself. If I was at a point where cheating looked like a good idea, it would be obvious to me the relationship was over and would be time to make it official.  

I can say I have not yet found a good reason to cheat. I can say I hope I never feel I have a good reason to cheat; because I believe for that to happen there would have to be some very extreme circumstances going on, but I still won’t say never.

In that light, I would like to say my first post in this thread was misstated.

I do not mean that the person becomes “right” because the innocent benefited from the action. I am saying the action served a purpose, therefore causing good to come of it.

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and I do wonder at the reasons behind those who do validate. It raises quiestions about their adgenda and trustworthyness. Giving validation to themselves in the guise of giving it to others perhaps?


My posting to this thread had nothing to do with validating cheating. It had to do with noting that even from the worst things, good can happen. In the same way something considered good can reap negative results; something bad can reap positive results.

I’m not sitting here slapping them down for cheating because the truth is; their cheating was a means to an end; the real problems that existed before the cheating commenced were far greater. So, if cheating somehow counter acted my father’s inability to do his job as “father”, or my ex-es' inabilies to be responsible partners in our relationships, and that is all I am offered, I’m taking it.

Be well,

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 3:01:45 PM   
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It's because cheating is hot...It is exciting...It's getting ahold of some "strange."....There aint nothing better than some "strange' every now and again.

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 4:44:28 PM   
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PC numpties?… what is that?


PC = Politicaly Correct

Numptie = Noun. A fool, idiot. Also spelt numbty and numptie. [Orig. Scottish]


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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 4:55:26 PM   
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Oh. Thank you for the clarification.

Be well,

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/10/2007 8:13:19 PM   
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I was just curious about why there are so many people that are cheating and lying to their Doms/subs.


First off, let's be sure what we are talking about. Monogomy is natural, at least among humans and most species of the world (many birds are exeptions). The most natural type of relationship is a polymory but few people can actually attain that because human emotions such as jeolousy interfere. Infedelity usually happens because polymory, for whatever reason is either not possible or not desirable.

Many people use the term "cheating" because they want to put an ethical or value judgement on behavior that is as natural as taking a piss or breathing. Asking why people "cheat" is like asking why people eat -- the answer is because it meets their basic needs and because it is a part of human nature.

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/11/2007 1:09:20 AM   
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Many people use the term "cheating" because they want to put an ethical or value judgement on behavior that is as natural as taking a piss or breathing. Asking why people "cheat" is like asking why people eat -- the answer is because it meets their basic needs and because it is a part of human nature.


Bull!

Being Poly ISN'T the same as being dishonest, in fact MOST poly communitys you will find the attitude that if it is cheating then it ISN'T Poly!

I will agree that for some (Myself included) Poly is quite natural. Lying and cheating however is learned behaviour, anti-social and unacceptable. I will state catagoricaly that ONLY those likely to lie and cheat themselves will preach tollerance for such behaviour.... They are hoping when THEY are discovered that people will pander to them and tell them their anti-social behaviour is OK....... They will NEVER get anything other than distain from THIS ol' buzzard! There is ALWAYS an honest option, it maybe not an easy option, but it will be there!


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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/11/2007 1:24:33 AM   
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"Many people use the term "cheating" because they want to put an ethical or value judgement on behavior that is as natural as taking a piss or breathing. "

Self satifaction is as natural as taking a piss, but our intellect is capable of forming our behaviour, above and beyond mere animal instincts. People are naturally capable of is reasoned dicision making, moral agreements, honesty and caring. Cheating is a gutless low act. If you want to have multiple partners, have the balls to let them know. That way they can experiment guilt free as well, or drop you if you're not worth keeping. Cheating is the security blanket approach, which most people grow out of around the same time they learn to walk.

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RE: why all the cheating? - 5/11/2007 6:44:08 AM   
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Being Poly ISN'T the same as being dishonest, in fact MOST poly community's you will find the attitude that if it is cheating then it ISN'T Poly!



Same goes for Swinging, parts of couples can go out, have sex, and even be emotionally inmate with others, but only if the one who stays at home has not pre approved the arrangement is it cheating.

In most cases there is a way to get needs met, or change the needs, without cheating. However most  who cheat are either too weak or too lazy to take those roads. Weakness and laziness are overall character issues not confined to cheating, so cheating is a warning sign. It is interesting how the therapists almost never go this way, they say of cheating "it shows that your relationship has problems". Therapist go to heroic lengths to make everything "no-fault", which I suspect is the sort of thing that pisses you off.  

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