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Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 6:48:19 AM   
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Excluding what I call the hard core Dominas: "you are male scum", "male pig, ESAD" kind of approach, do you ever feel you are too much of a Domina? Too Dominant? I don't play, playing where I am means 90% marrieds and that is against a core value of Mine.
 
I know for Me, I don't bend on what I call key issues---those being things that go against My core values/standards. Then there are those that I can see the red warning flag screaming 6 miles away and I know that whatever will ensue, won't be good for Me, family or life.  Then there are others that I just don't want the drama, the effort, the challenge. 
 
I know what I am, no doubt about it and as I stated in another thread, it has nothing to do with fetishes, I just wonder in those split seconds between the darkness and the dawn if I am too Dominant? ( Not that I am going to change by any means), I just wonder if others at times feel that way?

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 7:05:52 AM   
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Sometimes, too Domme and sometimes not Domme enough.  It's the human Female condition....in all it's variations.  But, whatever You are is perfect.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 8:18:42 AM   
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I might be, in some people's eyes.

Too unyeilding in holding my ground on a multitude of issues. Everything from "I will not waste my time typing my dominance online for wank fodder" to "I am not wasting any more of my money, or precious vacation time, to meet someone that may or may not show up." aka......"you want a chance with me, bring your sweet little ass to me and prove it!"

I am at a point in life that I like. I like myself, I like my life. I would love to find someone to share it with, but I am not going to compromise what is already wonderful. A lot of submissives and slaves just do not seem to get that. I keep telling them, yanno, it really isn't all about you. Unfortunately they seem to think it is. "Would you spank me every day? Will you keep me caged all the time? Where will you brand me? Will you do xxx to me?" etc etc etc..

How about, "Let's just get to know one another, yanno, as human beings? Meet, spend time together, see if we actually can tollerate being around one another... What you have to offer ME! Then we can talk about the spanking fun." Then they tend to disappear. So yeah, maybe wanting it my way, is too dominant.


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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 8:58:27 AM   
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I am what I am. I do my best to be a decent person, and to accept responsibility for the things I agree to. I do my best to build and sustain a workable code of ethics for myself, and I'm nit-picky about people or situations that I feel are pressed on me without respect for those boundaries, so I'm liable to get snippish if I feel that scenario coming on. I don't feel the need to pull out my "dominant hat" just to show it off, but I'll be damned if I'll put it -away- just because it makes someone uncomfortable. If that makes me "too" dominant, well screw em. *shrugs*




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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 10:07:50 AM   
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Too dominant?  I don't think so.  Really, I am not dominant enough in some ways---a marshmallow with a titanium core, after all.  I have a lot of life experience and lifestyle experience, and I have learned what things to not budge on, and what things can be adjusted for the situation.  I am a tough, and tough minded person, and I will not compromise myself.  That means that some folks might feel that they are running into a wall with me, because like LaT, my time and attention does not come easily anymore. 

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 10:51:20 AM   
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Domination and domineering aren't the same. Dominance is about leadership, positive influence and uplifting motivation. Diplomacy and negotiation, too.

Domineering personalities don't get what they want in the end, in fact, they turn folks away.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 11:59:05 AM   
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I am not dominant enough for the extreme players who like things such as brown showers  or to be locked in a cage for days on end.  On the other hand, I'm too dominant for everyone else.  I want 24/7 TPE, I want my s-type to do things like clean (because I hate doing it by myself but if I have a companion I don't mind it) and cook (because no one wants me in the kitchen.  Really.), and I'm sadistic enough to enjoy certain types of edge play such as knives or rape-play scenarios.  And I don't play casually.  I have played casually in the past, but I just don't enjoy it as much as having a relationship with the s-type.
 
Unfortunately, this leaves me stranded in a strange, barren wasteland.  There are no s-types who like the same things and who want to be part of a poly family.  It sucks, but c'est la vie.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:15:26 PM   
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i think maybe a person can lose sight of the fact that they have a small piece of them that is huge...their heart of course.sometimes that can get in the way of certain behaviors how we act and think and then one day a person awakens to find they were caught in a whirlwind and it wasn't best for them.so they close off that part of them and will keep it closed for they do not wish to be considered weak or giving into a situation that as a dominant,they really have no contol over.but we are human which is why poop happens.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:25:29 PM   
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Good point, Chezzy, I think a lot of doms feel that they have to be perfect and invulnerable.  I confess that I do feel like I am a role model, and I would be a hypocrite to ask someone to do something that I am not capable of myself.  

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:27:12 PM   
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About 8 or 9 years ago I got that book, 'Anal Pleasure & Health' (by Dr. Jack Morin), & he has this bit in there about 'Nice Person Syndrome' & it was one of those wonderfully epiphanic experiences. I suffered to a wretched degree from excessive niceness, sickeningly sweet I was, but I'm in recovery.

So, for me, the more I connect with my dominant stuff, the better, generally.

Sometimes I'm too bitchy or otherwise emotionally reactive for other people's tastes, but I've come to recognize my pissiness, et al, as frequently being red flags for feeling boundary-impinged & so on. I do tend to be a little aggressive, a little gung-ho, but that's more a puppyish enthusiasm, mostly . .. .

& for me, one of the great balancing influences of my last decade has been the tao, reading it really helps get my head back into a moderate-middle space . .. ... The tao instructs that when we think we are one extreme, we really hold the other in ourselves simultaneously. Contemplating that, looking for its evidence in myself, that really helps me recognize when I'm flopping into one extreme or another . .. . ..

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:30:35 PM   
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Lots of folks are astounded that I am so nice and sweet and all that bushwah.  Why shouldn't I be?  You can be a very nice, kind, loveydovey sadist.  Well, at least *I* can!  It scares them more when I laugh, too!

(oh, and Kia....  my nipples explode with delight  )

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:45:16 PM   
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Please do not take this the wrong way, I just find it interesting that so many are grouping nice with lack of dominance. I honestly do not see the two as having anything to do with one another. 

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 12:49:48 PM   
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I am going to have to break this down a bit. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici

Excluding what I call the hard core Dominas: "you are male scum", "male pig, ESAD" kind of approach, do you ever feel you are too much of a Domina? Too Dominant? I don't play, playing where I am means 90% marrieds and that is against a core value of Mine.
 
I don't believe my values are dominance.  They are my life code that I live by.  They come from a lot of places such as life experience, my honor code, my ethic's, my closed mind even... maybe... but they are mine not from simply my personality (dominant), but more from my charactor.

 
I know for Me, I don't bend on what I call key issues---those being things that go against My core values/standards. Then there are those that I can see the red warning flag screaming 6 miles away and I know that whatever will ensue, won't be good for Me, family or life.  Then there are others that I just don't want the drama, the effort, the challenge. 
 
Again my first words apply to this too... but I didn't mention wisdom.  I know what I want and do not want in my life and drama would be one of them.  Unless I am acting a role in play or joking... my dramatic queen role is kind of sexy though! hehe  But it just might work as well to make you laugh as to turn one on!  But in all.. having standards we live by is a must in my opinion and no one tempts me to change them and anyone who doesn't live them to some degree is not for me.

 
I know what I am, no doubt about it and as I stated in another thread, it has nothing to do with fetishes, I just wonder in those split seconds between the darkness and the dawn if I am too Dominant? ( Not that I am going to change by any means), I just wonder if others at times feel that way?

Now this could be a pretty deep subject all on its own.  Do we ever question ourselves? Do we ever feel insecure?  Do we ever wonder if words spoken by another might have some truth to them?  Do we think we 'act' rather than just 'be'?  I think I could go on and on with that one from my own experience in life and those of friends.
 
I have learned to not doubt myself.  I will examine myself without a lot of insecurity or denial.  Knowing myself will keep me from doubting or questioning myself in ways that are pretty much coming from a bad or negative place.  Any time I have questioned myself or someone has said something and I feel I should look at it and see if I might be at fault, I tend to come to the conclusion that I was doing the best I could at the time, I was aware and not clueless and my intention wasn't maybe what I was accused of or what was seen by another.  And I typically covered my ass on that by seeing a whole picture.  My greatest asset in all of this is that I know who I am and I know what is in my heart to do or not do and I have rarely crossed over a line and betrayed myself.  In that, I am balanced and stable.
 
If I ever questioned anything... it was in a situation that was turning out poorly and whether I was dominant enough or too understanding that I let something slide when I shouldn't have.
 
As for too dominant... some might think so when they are not acting like an adult and get a response from me... but no, I am not too dominant.  I do not take what should not be taken.  I do not disrespect people and their rights.  I do not insist on my way and my way only unless it is one of my codes of life living for myself and household.  I do not dominante what I should not.
 
I stand firm, right or wrong... I answer to myself and am accountable and if that is too much of anything.. tough shit.  It is my life and I will live it true to who I am and if that isn't good enough for someone and they have a complaint with it... we are not a good fit.  I didn't get to fifty one years old and learn nothing of myself, others and life.  It is what it is and that is good enough for me.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 3:04:59 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Please do not take this the wrong way, I just find it interesting that so many are grouping nice with lack of dominance. I honestly do not see the two as having anything to do with one another. 


No problemo, LaTigresse.

That Dr Morin piece really helped me start parsing this in a way that was useful to me & the distinction I make is thus: there is kindness, the necessary compassion & empathy & decency that costs us relatively little but pays dividends in reinforcing one's moral fundament & self-esteem & community-building & so on; & then there is niceness, which is when I'm giving up myself to please others & it's leaving a nasty aftertaste, being 'too nice' as a pushover state . .. .

Not all 'niceness' is a kindness, tho' frequently kindness is nice, too . . . . .

It does get complicated in that sometimes the greatest kindness in the long-run is a short-run hardness that's not perceived as being 'nice', for example . . .

For instance, I have extensive experience at 'niceness' as a manipulative tool, from all ends of that experience . . . . Dr Morin references something called 'nicing into submission', which had enormous resonance for me . . .. . I'll dig it up & post it . . . ..

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 3:09:02 PM   
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I had not thought of it that way, very interesting. To me, nice and kind were always fairly interchangable. Although kind has a more loving, gentle, resonance to it for some reason.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 3:12:21 PM   
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I typed the following up to post to my local munch list some time ago; lucky y'all . . . .



On The Problem of Being Too Nice

Occasionally the universe passes me a life-changing text, I'm a lucky grrl that way. "Anal Pleasure & Health", by Jack Morin, is one such book in part because of a brief discussion of something Dr. Morin calls 'Nice Person Syndrome'. Let me share that with you, & then I want to offer up some stuff around this idea:

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from: "Anal Pleasure & Health", by Jack Morin (Down There Press, 1998), pages 145-147

The Nice Person Syndrome

Some of us are strongly influenced by a destructive pattern called the Nice Person Syndrome, which distorts or totally blocks effective communication. The Nice Person Syndrome is an exaggerated role adopted during childhood as a means of getting approval and affection. Nice People are carefully trained to be good boys and girls at all costs. They're steeped too soon and heavily in the values of unselfishness, cooperation, and pleasing others. They grow up inclined to defer to the wishes of others and to put their own desires in second place, or ignore them all together.

I use the word Nice (capital N) to describe adults who still act like good boys and girls. Such people are often highly intuitive but they use their sensitivity mostly for the purpose of discerning what's expected of them. They have a profound need to be liked and will violate, if necessary, their own integrity for even the possibility of love and affection. Ironically, they usually are accepted and well-liked, but they're not satisfied because they know they've withheld something of their true identity. As a result, Nice People often live in fear that nobody will ever truly love them -- including their imperfections and blemishes. They're convinced they must be perfect yet they're constantly and painfully aware that they're not. Not surprisingly, they often exhibit bodily signs -- including anal tension -- of an unrelenting inner conflict.

Nice People operate on the basis of one central conviction: The only way to get what I need is to avoid upsetting anyone. They're usually very good at getting what they want without asking for it, but there's always something missing. Spontaneity is difficult since each interpersonal exchange is, in a sense, a performance. Keeping up the image requires constant vigilance, since all "bad" qualities -- such as anger, selfishness, or competitiveness -- must either be squelched, denied, or re-channeled in such a way that they at least _appear_ nice.

I've deliberately presented a somewhat exaggerated characterization. But in it you may be able to see aspects of yourself. If so, I suggest that you look more closely at the negative effects this pattern is having on your relationships and sexuality. The impact of the Nice Person Syndrome is typically heightened in the presence of a significant other. This helps explain why some men and women can feel very relaxed and safe when they're alone, but tense up when they're with someone. In fact, people who have trouble sharing anal pleasure with a partner when they can easily give it to themselves often discover that playing Nice is getting in the way.

Nice People have trouble making straightforward requests. Instead, they tend to be manipulative, maybe dropping a few hints or else giving what they, in fact, want to get. One of my clients expressed his strategy for getting what he wanted from people as "nicing them into submission." Nice People believe that if they're just good enough, others will eventually discern what they want and give it to them. When this doesn't happen they're hurt. They would feel angry too -- but that's not Nice.

Nice People are usually "rescuers" who gravitate toward taking care of others. We rescue somebody each time we withhold or distort our true feelings to avoid hurting or upsetting the other person. We do the same thing when we go along with something when we really don't want to. What we usually don't realize is that in rescuing others we treat them as helpless victims who can't take care of themselves. Rescuing, except in instances when someone genuinely needs help, is actually a subtle put-down.

Because Nice People have trouble expressing their desires, they tend to infuse potentially pleasurable situations with obligation and duty. After launching a sexual encounter they may feel compelled to go through with it to the bitter end. This is one reason why making requests and taking breaks is especially important, although at times exceedingly difficult.

All of the experiences suggested here can help you become more cooperatively selfish. Non-manipulative communication is the only way to remain simultaneously in full contact with yourself and your partner. Obviously, if you tune out your partner, touching can become an exercise in alienation. But what many fail to recognize is that if you ignore your own desires and feelings, then you have very little to share.


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It's been at least a decade since I first read that, & I'm still a beginner at unfolding how the Nice thing works in my life. I do know that I was raised super-ooper-duper Nice, & all of the above describes me to one degree or another. (Hehehehehehe, I consider myself a 'recovering Nice Person' . . .. . )

Dr. Morin's context is experimenting with anal sexuality, but BDSM works as an interesting context for reading the above excerpt, I think. Further, I tend to suspect that BDSM is / can be a way of playing with / working thru the individual's psychological / emotional stuff, & that the ubiquity of Nice Person Syndrome is a big thematic underlying much of that . . . . .

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 5:38:36 PM   
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wowwwwwwwww - I'm lovin' this thread !! 

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 5:41:01 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CatdeMedici
 do you ever feel you are too much of a Domina? Too Dominant?


Nope.  But I certainly do not suffer from Excessively Nice Syndrome either. 




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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/27/2009 10:09:12 PM   
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i think a good dominant can balance between the naughty/nice elements of his or her personality.  if they can't, i'd distance myself from that person.  quickly.

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RE: Are you too Dominant? - 4/28/2009 1:04:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

If that makes me "too" dominant, well screw em. *shrugs*



...spoken like a true dominant (smile).

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