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Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 3:17:24 AM   
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Why do people in the bdsm comunity get so bent out of shape when the hear racial domination.Im a black male slave,who has been serving a white Dom since i was 8 yeears old.and i love him for it.Im now 32 and i still love to serve whites.but some of the people here don"t like me  because of it.Why? I go into a chat room and im banded because of my name.Im a slave to the bone.so why do people here out of all places no accept it.
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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 3:47:03 AM   
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I find prejudice in all its forms offensive.
Beyond that, when you say 8 years old, all my hackles go up. Man/boy interactions are illegal and for good reason.

You cannot demand people feel okay about what you say. Chat rooms have administrators and administrators have feelings. If they don't feel okay having you in the room, that's their right.

You want a chat room devoted to racial play, I suggest you start and become the admin of it.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 4:20:48 AM   
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For Me the issue is intent. If a Master chooses a slave, that's fine. If a white Dom picks a black slave, that's fine too. If a Sir picks a slave because of their colour - that isnt fine. That's racism, and is to be condemned.

Similarly, if you were serving him aged 8, that's child abuse, and is rightfully illegal. Who is which colour is irrelevant for that part of what you say.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 4:23:46 AM   
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Nothing wrong with being a black slave serving a white dom or vice versa, if it's a preference or if it's just the way you clicked.
..but all the white pride shit n yariyari is just..not cool..and the way you present yourself, your profile and that you've been dominated since 8 years old is just simply disturbing.
n also..your name..the reasons for it, along with the reasons for why you're greatful to your foster parent....I'm sorry dude but, you're damaged.
(Just stating my opinion.)


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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:01:34 AM   
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You need to remember, BDSM is still made up of people with their own feelings, prejudices, values---just because its an area that is "kink" oriented, does not means it is all tolerant, all forgiving or all accepting--net is YKINMK ( your kink is not My kink), if you accept that, respect that it may make people uncomfortable just as theirs may do the same for you, don't think there is one true way, you'll be fine.
 
And btw, you aren't the first person I have heard ( because I know someone personally) who was raised by a Dominant--that does not mean that anything immoral, ilicit, or illegal happened, it didn't---this Domina had money and the family was poor--end of story.


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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:01:59 AM   
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There are people here who don't like other people and get really uppety about things...there are also people here who do not even like themselves and sometimes they might have a point.

There are people on these boards with nothing interesting whatsoever to say but hey, just because they can they say it anyway.
And people who wave their finger at you like tut tut tut, don't you know that this is this and that is that and you should know how to behave...like me!

This place should be fairly acceptable of people with different persuasions; openminded like, but you know what? the 'my kink is better than yours' seems to rear its ugly head all the time.
There are some extremely narrow minded and rediculously easy to shock people about, it is a pity, but try to accept it and rize above it.

There is nothing wrong with prefering a black to a white skin like there is nothing wrong with prefering a male to a female, or a slave to a Master. It is called personal taste and it does not in anyway mean that the other is less!
As for racial fantasies/dynamics/roleplay/scening/lifestyle it won't be everybodies cup of tea, but if it rocks your boat enjoy it, nomatter what the tut tut tutters say

I do not know what your childhood experiences were; you might just have been polishing boots for all i know and if you were happy doing so, power to you


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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:21:41 AM   
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Because some people see race as something that shoudn't be used in the way you're happy to use it-as a black male serving someone who's white, they consider it a "fetish too far", if you like. T/they don't get that you may actually like the humiliating aspect of your relationship.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:28:14 AM   
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Unless that number in the original is some kind of typo, please don't be upset if the thread gets shut down.  You might be playing on the fringe of TOS.

As to the racial kink that you are referencing, yes there are going to be people who have problems with it.  Just the same as there are going to be those who have issues with consensual rape scenes, role play scenes that are scripted from the WWII era, or interrogation scenes with created religious characters involved.  These are things that many people consider taboo because in society, we realize these things are wrong.  Not everyone can or will change their beliefs about them just because someone chooses to mix it into their kink. 

Like every other kinky person on the planet, you have to recognize that some people will not be accepting of your activities.  I happen to be a sadist.  Not everybody accepts that or the things that I like to do.  I don't have to expose unwilling participants to that.  They aren't consenting to being involved and I respect that.

What you have is the same situation on a different scale.  If you're role playing in the chat rooms, you're automatically asking everyone there to be party to your expression of kink.  That isn't exactly a reasonable request. 


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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:32:20 AM   
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I've never understood this. (I mean, I know that there's a discomfort with a lot of people when it comes to race and imbalanced power play. I just don't understand why they should feel the bedroom/dungeon is somehow a focal point for this.) You are both adults, right? You have a relationship that works for the both of you? Neither of you is "trapped" in the roles, and playing against your will...?

Race and power exchange/kink seems to be a lightining rod for people's insecurities. Look up some of the threads where people have discussed preferences in a partner's race, or other physicality... things seem to go south pretty quick.

BNS, if you're happy with the way things are. Just tell the others who are critical to STFU. 


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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 5:44:29 AM   
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A lot of chat rooms have rules to try and keep some sanity... yeah... okay... but one rule that is almost a standard if you will, of most the rooms I have known about or been a part of, is the racial offense towards others.  Simply not allowed and the N word is one of those words that can be used as a slur or between friends that is acceptable because they are African American.  It is a very reactionary word to many.

You would have to be living under a rock not to know how reactionary the word is.  It isn't your kink most likely that they are responding to, but your presentation of your kink and how they must control the room and or maybe have to call you by the nick.  You would not catch me calling you by your nick.  I could care less what you do and what you are called within your relationships, but don't expect me to take part in it.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 6:07:15 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: subtlebutterfly

Nothing wrong with being a black slave serving a white dom or vice versa, if it's a preference or if it's just the way you clicked.
..but all the white pride shit n yariyari is just..not cool..and the way you present yourself, your profile and that you've been dominated since 8 years old is just simply disturbing.
n also..your name..the reasons for it, along with the reasons for why you're greatful to your foster parent....I'm sorry dude but, you're damaged.
(Just stating my opinion.)



I second that. When I first saw your post/name I had the same reaction. Preferences are preferences, but your name seems to go beyond that. If you had blackslv4whitesonly or something similar, I don't think you'd get the reaction you get now. There are plenty of people who indicate preferences for BBW, skinny girls, petite slaves, etc. No one's begrudging preferences.

Regardless of how it's tossed around between some black people, the middle part of your name is derogatory and offensive. If I saw something like whitecrakrtrashslv I'd find it equally offensive.

If you were raised to think you're less of a person because of the color of your skin, it's not right, even if you became accustomed to it or got to like it.

On the other side, I hate when the first thing someone mentions is "I like black Dommes." To me it feels like the only thing the person notices is my skin color (will the interest wane if they see a dominant woman with darker skin?), or that the person has a stereotype of a black Domme that I'll have to fit into. I'm not comfortable with stereotypes, especially those based on melanin. If you're more comfortable fitting a stereotype that's your business, but there are a lot of people that fight to be viewed outside of those stereotypes all the time, so that middle word in your name indicates a willingness to be part of a stereotype that many people - of a variety of colors - find offensive.




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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 6:22:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HalloweenWhite

Because some people see race as something that shoudn't be used in the way you're happy to use it-as a black male serving someone who's white, they consider it a "fetish too far", if you like. T/they don't get that you may actually like the humiliating aspect of your relationship.


For obvious reasons I have a slightly different perspective. I don't have a problem with him having a racial preference for who he serves, and to an extent whatever his reasons are for the preference. However, I have a huge problem with degrading language used as part of someone's racial description.

Skin color of any shade should not be a reason to be humiliated or degraded - even if it's someone degrading themselves. That's something completely different from liking a contrast or having a preference when it comes to attraction.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 6:37:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blackni66erslave

Why do people in the bdsm comunity get so bent out of shape when the hear racial domination.Im a black male slave,who has been serving a white Dom since i was 8 yeears old.and i love him for it.Im now 32 and i still love to serve whites.but some of the people here don"t like me  because of it.Why? I go into a chat room and im banded because of my name.Im a slave to the bone.so why do people here out of all places no accept it.


No matter what you do, someone somewhere is going to be offended or get bent out of shape. Do what you do and let the haters do what they do, after all....that is their job.
As far as racial domination...I've always ended up with white partners and thats just it.  For some, they are primarily attracted to an african woman (some people are just attracted to blondes...same thing) and thats fine with me.  Ofcourse they have to be attracted to other things about me other than the fact that the colour of my skin shivers them timbers.
I often get "do you want to serve a white dom" and those are times where I wish I lived close to whoever so I could punch them in the face before saying hello and starting a conversation (okay so i get irritated with that).  I suppose thats been my experience with racial domination or an attempt at it.

Regardless of why or how you pick who you serve, thats up to you.  I'm sorry to hear that at times you are banned due to your sn.  The way I see it, it doesnt offend me because its not my sn or a representation of me (as sn are).  Its how you feel its what you like, so do it.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 7:14:06 AM   
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Absolutely agree. As the saying goes "Your kink isn't My kink, but your kink is o.k".

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 7:16:17 AM   
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Yes, I agree with You. And I really don't like the "N" word either, some can handle it-both using it and having it used on them, but not Me.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 7:20:25 AM   
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As an aside to the fact you were only eight years old when you started serving which has been pretty much covered, you say in your profile that you were trained to give whites the upmost respect and that when you didn't you were beaten and humiliated. In my opinion that isn't bdsm that's abuse.
You then go on to say you thank your dominant for showing you what the world is really like. I think you have a pretty screwed sense of what the world is like if you think worshipping white people and getting beaten when you don't is normal.
You are 32 years old now and can make your own decisions but i would suggest stepping away from the relationship you are in and seeking some counselling. Have a look at how the world really is away from this Dom / Domme. You might just find the world is a wonderful place away from your current partner or you may find you want to return to them. Either way at least you'll have a broader more rounded view of what the world is really like.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 7:41:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: blackni66erslave

Why do people in the bdsm comunity get so bent out of shape when the hear racial domination.Im a black male slave,who has been serving a white Dom since i was 8 yeears old.and i love him for it.Im now 32 and i still love to serve whites.but some of the people here don"t like me  because of it.Why? I go into a chat room and im banded because of my name.Im a slave to the bone.so why do people here out of all places no accept it.
Hello and welcome to the boards.
My criticism?  The same as many...the middle part of your name is offensive to me but not for the same reason it is for many people.  I've heard black people say that it's O.K. for them to use it amongst themselves but not for a white person to use it because "the word carries different meanings depending on who it is used by".  I call B. S. on that.  If I can be charged with "hate speech" for using it by some overly-sensitive D.A. looking to make a name for himself, then you should not be allowed to use it either.  Of course...that's in a perfect world but remember...just because you don't mind it because it happens to fit into your world doesn't mean that there aren't other blacks and whites around you who resent hearing the term and being forced non-consentually into your dynamic.  It is the same as the D/s couple who see nothing wrong with having the submissive kneel down at a restaurant to receive a berating for some wrongdoing or the vanilla couple who begin to argue at a nightclub and escalate it into a screaming match...it is forcing others to participate, even if only as spectators, to a side of your dynamic that they would just as soon not see.

As to the racial domination...to each their own.  As LadyPact said, in WIITWD, there are just some things that flip some people's switches in a positive way...things such as rape, female supremacy, golden showers, bloodletting...that reallllllllllly fire other people up in a negative way.  A preference for a certain race and then basing aspects of the D/s...humiliation, the sexual attraction, the place in the dynamic...ON that racial difference is another of those that seems to stir people up.  All you need to do to see that is to view some of the comments on here or on any thread where this preference and the means of expressing that preference are discussed and you will see what I mean.  Witness some of the comments on here...
Someone feels that picking a slave/dominant BECAUSE of their color is wrong.  Why?  If I want to do rape play, then I am going to pick someone who is into the idea of it.  If I want to do golden showers, I am going to pick someone who is into that.  If I like the way a redhead's complexion "colors up" when I beat them, then I am going to pick a redhead.
Another person says they aren't comfortable with stereotypes...and yet, we all stereotype, like it or not, with almost everyone we meet.  Just because a white submissive says she seeks out and prefers a black dominant, it does not automatically mean they are stereotyping...you'd have to sit down and listen to their reasons for it.  If their reasons are that they love the color contrast, that they prefer the smell, that there is a difference in the way most black dominant men treat their women as compared to most white dominant men and they like that difference, then is that stereotyping or are those reasons every bit as valid as saying "I prefer a curvaceous woman as opposed to a fat woman" or "I prefer an athletically-built tall male vs. a roly-poly, short, good-natured guy" or even "I prefer someone of my own race"? 
Someone states that skin color should not be used for humiliation or degradation...for heaven's sake, why not within the context of play?  If it is O.K. to humiliate your slave by "play" raping them, to humiliate them (consensually) by having them participate in a gang-bang, to humiliate and "put them into their place" by using a golden shower, then why should it not be O.K. to humilate someone by playing into the "racial difference" card?  If something is not O.K. to you (the general you), then by all means...do NOT participate.  But if there is something in YOUR repertoire that might make others cringe, stop and think about why they might cringe and realize that we all have different triggers.  This is not something...the racial card... that is going to kill the O.P. or anyone else unless they let it become harmful mentally or physically and hopefully, they will know how to recognize what is positive for them and what is not. Hopefully, the O.P. or anyone else who chooses to engage in this play will know whether or not they are being abused but let's remember this:  how many threads have we seen wherein a submissive was told by some that she/he was being abused and told by others that it was his/her dynamic and that she had to judge for herself?  Guidelines were given as to what constitutes abuse...a negative feeling about oneself, harm of a physical or mental or emotional nature that lingers long after the incident that led to that feeling has passed, etc., etc.
Several years ago, I was involved with a submissive who loved black dominants in a different way than she loved white dominants.  There were aspects of the racial difference that really appealed to her, especially when she was lucky enough to find an intelligent black dominant who knew how to  listen to her and then play off those aspects of her wants and desires.  She did not think they were better than white men, she did not think they were physically superior to white men, she did not think that she was superior to them but the differences...and the emphasis of those differences...was what she loved to have played.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 8:09:00 AM   
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Funny thing about perception:
. . .  if you care and the person who cares for you cares  . . .  then fuck the rest of em.Why?What will they contribute to your life that is worth anything?  

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ORIGINAL: blackni66erslave

Why do people in the bdsm comunity get so bent out of shape when the hear racial domination.Im a black male slave,who has been serving a white Dom since i was 8 yeears old.and i love him for it.Im now 32 and i still love to serve whites.but some of the people here don"t like me  because of it.Why? I go into a chat room and im banded because of my name.Im a slave to the bone.so why do people here out of all places no accept it.

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 8:12:46 AM   
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Y'know, I've never had the pleasure of owning a slave of a different race then my own. Not for any prejudice, but rather from lack of opportunity. I have however dated and had relationships with girls from different ethnic groups and found each one enticing, mysterious and most interesting as they educated me in some of their customs. My only concern, and not for me, would be that our M/s relationship, if the girl was of African decent, that she was totally happy with such a relationship. Aye I know she would be if she submitted to me but it is my nature to be concerned over such things.  Just it is not my nature to give two hoots what others think as long as what I am doing and those who are with me are in accord and it is my my eyes right. 

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RE: Racial Domination - 4/30/2009 8:23:42 AM   
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for the exact same reasons people not in the lifestyle don't accept it.

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