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Kneeling - 5/4/2009 6:04:17 PM   
RedEyedKira


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Status: offline 		I need a little help here or the least a nudge in the right direction...

I have just start seeing a wonderful Domme, so far play has been minimal due to distance and not yet training me. But Its a biig thing for her to be having me kneel.

The problem is I'm double jointed.

I can only still in senza (tops of feet to the floor) for about 5-10min before m legs go numb. Think carpal tunnel but in your ankles. kneeling with the balls of my feet on the floor I can last about 15, but its really starts to strain my plantar fascia.

I really want to do this for her though!

Is there a pillow out there i can use? or will just lots of practice make kneeling eventually easier?

Thanks!!
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RE: Kneeling - 5/4/2009 6:08:09 PM   
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RE: Kneeling - 5/4/2009 6:17:32 PM   
ExKat


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Status: offline 		To be honest, I doubt many people off the bat can kneel for any great length of time. I spend a fair amount of time kneeling due to martial arts, but I'm sure after 15 minutes my feet would be completely numb and my knees would be screaming at me. I assume that any domly type would know that kneeling isn't the easiest thing in the world, and offer you either a pillow, training time (building up to it), or only short times actually spent kneeling.

So, yes, a pillow will help to some extent, but practice will also help. I think it must get to the point where it's no longer uncomfortable, but I haven't reached it yet. Gotta keep trying!

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RE: Kneeling - 5/4/2009 6:49:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RedEyedKira

I need a little help here or the least a nudge in the right direction...

I have just start seeing a wonderful Domme, so far play has been minimal due to distance and not yet training me. But Its a biig thing for her to be having me kneel.

The problem is I'm double jointed.

I can only still in senza (tops of feet to the floor) for about 5-10min before m legs go numb. Think carpal tunnel but in your ankles. kneeling with the balls of my feet on the floor I can last about 15, but its really starts to strain my plantar fascia.

I really want to do this for her though!

Is there a pillow out there i can use? or will just lots of practice make kneeling eventually easier?

Thanks!!
My question would be



I just perved your AWESOME profile! Welcome to the boards! You really seem to have your head on straight.

Just be honest about your limitations. If being kept in uncomfortable (and possibly injurious) positions is not your thing, be upfront about it. Plantar fasciitis is a real concern, as is knee trouble. A good domme will take care of you. Communicate, and be very specific about your physical needs and limitations.

I love to have ny boy kneel for me, but I'm very conscious of the time, and his physically limiting factors. If he's in the kneel for more than a minute or two I will keep asking him, keep checking on him to see if he's alright. He has lower back trouble, so often he'll want to lean forward over something he can hold onto, like the sofa. If I want a longer time in the kneel this is fine, we communicate and make adjustments.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/4/2009 10:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		thats a cool link...i want to show Daddy that kneeling bench...i think it would be perfect for this old arthritic slave

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RE: Kneeling - 5/4/2009 10:32:52 PM   
monaslave


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Status: offline 		How many of you are or have kneeled for more than 15 min regular basis? its not that common,isnt it?

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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 5:01:04 AM   
frazzle121


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Status: offline 		Not common for these old joints, but then, i make sure someone knows in advance that my joints wont allow kneeling for more than a couple of minutes.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 5:42:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ask her to assume these positions for the amount of time she requires, and watch her knowledge of the subject enlarge.
Beyond that, if she just wants to see it for a minute, you can handle that. But it's wrong to demand long term something which is so difficult for the body to do.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 7:57:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RedEyedKira
Is there a pillow out there i can use? or will just lots of practice make kneeling eventually easier?


A few choices for you.

You can just put a little pillow wherever it helps.
You can get a mediation/prayer/kneeling bench.
You can just sit on the ground.

THe last of these is what mine does more often than not. Maybe we'll be watching TV and I command her to "kneel" in front of the couch rather than pulling her into my arms on the couch. Frequently, what that actually looks like is her sitting on the ground, back against the couch in a fairly normal sort of posture just "below" me.

Sometimes I particularly want her to kneel. In these cases, I specify that and she does. But I'm aware of the fact that there's a time limit on that position.


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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 8:27:09 AM   
Arastella


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Status: offline 		I struggle with EXACTLY the same problem *sighs*  Skinny ankles and double joints.  I've been told the more I practice, the more by ankles and legs will get adjusted to it.  Thats the best I can do for ya hun.  Wish I knew myself 

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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 8:49:33 AM   
housesub4you


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Status: offline 		Kneeling really tears up my knees, as does simply standing in one place with not being allowed to move.

It is something I bring up as a health concern and so far everyone I have served works around it,

I don't think I have ever knelt for longer than 10 minutes, and when serving at a party or cooking it is made known that I have this limit and people just work around it.

I would just discuss it and develop something with your Mistress in it's place



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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 1:19:14 PM   
InTonguesslut


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quote:

ORIGINAL: monaslave

How many of you are or have kneeled for more than 15 min regular basis? its not that common,isnt it?


I could kneel for an hour or two before i chipped a bone in my ankle. Now it's about thirty minutes max. I've always been comfy in the kneeling position since i was a kid so have sat that way a lot. I do find having a pillow or my dog bed under me helps lengthen the time i can kneel for.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/5/2009 4:20:48 PM   
thishereboi


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Status: offline 		I can't kneel due to previous surgery. I have always let people I play with know ahead of time and it's never been a problem. If you legs are going numb, it's probibly not a good thing to do. I don't think your legs will eventually adjust and you could do permanent damage.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/6/2009 7:32:15 PM   
RedEyedKira


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Status: offline 		OK well first my Domme does know about my joints, I've shown them off a bunch of times cause I like watching peoples expressions ^.^


the Zafu... not so much cause I don;t bend like most folks

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I'm glad you like my profile, I worked really hard on it actually. I do have my head on pretty well.

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She use to switch so she has done all those kneeling things before, which is why she feels its an achievable goal for me to strive for.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Arastella

I struggle with EXACTLY the same problem *sighs*  Skinny ankles and double joints.  I've been told the more I practice, the more by ankles and legs will get adjusted to it.  Thats the best I can do for ya hun.  Wish I knew myself 


Thanks gods! its not just me!



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RE: Kneeling - 5/7/2009 11:07:22 AM   
ohsocheekyslave


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Status: offline 		practice - practice and more practice!

it might be worth looking at some of the Gorean kneeling positions as there may be something that would work a little easier for you....

this might help you.....

http://yarakot.wordpress.com/2007/11/30/how-to-kneel-without-pain-part-1/

Good luck!
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RE: Kneeling - 5/7/2009 11:17:28 AM   
sirsholly


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The problem is I'm double jointed.
i am too...and it is a real pain in the ass.
The problem is we hyperextend our joints (think of a Flamingo's knees).

When you kneel try keeping the tips of your toes on the floor. The top of your feet will have no contact with the floor...just your ankles and toes.


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RE: Kneeling - 5/23/2009 11:07:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I also took a martial arts class where we did a lot of kneeling. Granted, we also did a lot of stretching and running and jumping and so on and more importantly, I was a lot younger and flexible. I did remember I did have trouble, early on, but the more I attended class the longer I was able to kneel. After a few weeks everyone in the class was able to kneel for an extended period of time. My class included a lot of mediation and sparring.

As a Dominant, I have required past submissives and/or slaves to kneel but allow them to get physically get used to the position. There is something classically beautiful about a kneeling slave.



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RE: Kneeling - 5/23/2009 11:15:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		One thing I should add is that two of my past submissive were dancers and very much into bodywork (e.g., yoga, Pilates and so on). They both loved kneeling and were capable of kneeling for hours, especially is a thin pillow or kneeling pad was provided. They also, both enjoyed, be required to kneel. One of our agreed upon house rules was that they were never to sit on any furniture unless specifically invited or ordered. This altered the type of furniture layout in my house to accommodate such a house maxim.

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RE: Kneeling - 5/24/2009 4:20:56 AM   
Zechriel


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Status: offline 		Good  morning!
Sounds like you have received some really good advice. I would add one more..how about telling your Domme that you have this trouble and that you both think of an alternate position to where you can switch to? I have that problem as well and my legs have a tendency to fall asleep quickly. Daddy knows I love to be under him so he usually just points down with his finger. I can kneel or tuck my legs under me or even lounge as long as it is graceful. Like in those old movies that have slaves (I love Egyptology) I just lounge in the floor between Daddy's legs with one arm hooked around his leg and my head against it. And getting up from those positions...I hate looking like a lumbering cow so I take it slow, focus on each limb and get up as gracefully as I can. I hope that helps, good luck!
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RE: Kneeling - 5/24/2009 4:27:36 AM   
LadySweetOrSour


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Status: offline 		Having once had a sub who had problems with his knees, I didn't demand he kneel. He was required to sit on the floor though, but in a position comfortable for him. I would rather dispense with the actual kneeling and have a sub who is capable of standing up and walking around, doing everything else I want him to do. I certainly can't kneel for long and know how painful it can be.

Have you told your Domme about your problem? Many people are very understanding of medical problems and there's a whole lot more than kneeling in a D/s relationship.

Good luck!!

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