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maleslave4ltr -> a true love (2/3/2006 9:31:23 PM)

why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?




IrishMist -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 9:35:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: maleslave4ltr

why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?


/sigh

well...to start with...and I don't mean to be nitpicky...but

it could be the fact that your profile states WHAT YOU WANT to happen...

sorry, but umm, it's not all about you...its about her/him and what THEY want




seaturtle50 -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 9:43:47 PM)

OK - i really, really wanted to walk right by this one ... cause of the work involved typing everything what i really want to say. But, here i go anyway [;)] <short version>

i think you may need to provide a bit more <specific> information in your question if you really want the answers.

For now, i looked at your profile and you have been registered at CM for for 3 months. to locate a suitable LTR partner - it could of course take much longer than that. It usually could take much longer than that in the nilla world as well.

Then, i read your profile, and while i am no expert around here, i have been trying to learn from the Domme's that share - and it really reads like you are pretty much telling the Domme how to Domme you. Can you see that when you read it yourself?

Typically speaking, and from what i have observed so far <and common sense dictates> Domme's usually don't exactly jump at that approach. [8|]

st50




Nendarye -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 10:01:10 PM)

After reading your profile, I can only agree with what has already been said. You are TELLING the domina what you expect her to do. It is not about you. It's about her and what she wants.

If I had told Master that he had to be a certain height or weight...he would have laughed at me and walked away without a second glace. The same goes with me telling him what he can and can not 'do' to me.





Synocense -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 10:31:49 PM)

wow - have we really bought into the notion that we, as subs/slaves, do not have a right to have needs? That we *must* put them aside, sacrifice them, ignore them or else it is allllllll about us?

That said, I think your profile might include what you have to offer as well as what you need/ expect. That might create some incentive to potential Dommes : )

Good luck
-Syn




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 11:01:06 PM)

I personally see nothing wrong with a profile stating what a person likes, desires, finds ideal and is personally interested in.

I find thoe much more appealing than ones that tell you absolutely nothing about a person but is just chock full of professions about how much they need to submit to the right person.

However, the flaw in this persons profile is not that he goes on about what he wants- it's that he lists things out in a VERY rigid manner, in a sense that he has the entire relationship planned from point a to point z. Most people get turned off by that sort of rigidity. He's honest about what he wants though and that's a plus.




FangsNfeet -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 11:02:33 PM)

quote:

why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?


No woman wants a man who whines and complains. The pitty card never works.




RiotGirl -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 11:17:31 PM)

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wow - have we really bought into the notion that we, as subs/slaves, do not have a right to have needs? That we *must* put them aside, sacrifice them, ignore them or else it is allllllll about us?


maybe you have

Of course we have needs. But its not OUR JOB to look after them. See its supposed to be a double edge sword. Double bladed.. 50/50.. ying yang.. two way street.. you get it right?

See the pont of it all is. Our job is to look after them. Guess what Their job is? You only get ONE guess. Go on.. <hears buzzer> Too late! Their job is to look after, us, thats right, US, not joking, not lying, not yanking your chain, or pulling your leg.

Let me break it down for you. As subs and slaves we give OVER control of ourselves to our Dominants. You might want to have some trust involved before doing so. Entrusting ourselves TO them. i'll get to why eventually. Now here's the thing, they have a "job" or so to speak as well. Though if want to mull over with me the bad usage of the word job applied here we can. Duty doesnt fit either. Not particularly a "job" nor is it a hobby or a volunteer opportunity. Its something they really really want to do. Which i suppose is why they are here. Lets try the word...... commitment. (another trust thing there) They want it bad. Just as much as we want it. Commitment used here has no hand fasting or parades or vows or jellybeans. The commitment is an unspoken one. Though some like to speak it. Its whatever type of water your boat needs to float.

They're commitment is to look after us. Take care of our needs, wants, desires, hungers, thirsts, kinks, and the odd assortment of whatever else we need to be so to speak swell, happy, jiffy and the like.

Which of course saying that we ALL have a commitment to ourselves. This doesnt nill out our basic commitment to ourselves, nor does our commitment to them nil our their commitment to themselves. There are a grand total of 4 commitments going on here. Hope you're keeping up as i am not.

Now this elusive trust thing that i've had you watch 20 commercials before finally getting to the point. We entrust ourselves to them. We entrust our wants, needs, desires, fruit loops, kinks and so on to THEM. i would say, having a good bit of trust involved that they will do RIGHT by these things and yourself is very important. Here's a kicker.. as you entrust.. and give the control over yourself to them.. it us up to Them to decide when the odd assortment of things is done. Ah ha! Which is why its important to "get to know" the other person. Of course if the water you prefer to float yoru boat is hot kinky sex in a motel room or in the bathroom at your house this formula isnt need. Back to your regular programming about subs and slaves.

Test time!

Do we have needs? yes
Whose job in a s/s relationship is take care of our needs? Dominants~

And just incase you're quicker then i am tonight.

Whose job is it to take care of the Dominants needs? Ours!

See it goes both ways. We focus on them.. they're desires.. needs.. wants.. pleasures.. happiness.

while in turn.. you got it.. they focus on us. They take care of us, when they see fit as we have trusted them to do right by us.

learning and growing towards the greater goal of the relationship How beautiful is that?

BUT we get into problems when one party of the party of commitments doesnt fullfill their commitment. Like focusing soley on themselves. Things break down, fall apart, go to pieces, dont do well.. you get it.

And logically speaking, well my logic is speaking.. why would anyone want to start a party of commitments when other parties dont think they should fullfill their commitments? What's the point?

So we swing way back around to a very good point indeed. Why start something with some one that is either A not going to last or B not hold up their end?




veronicaofML -> RE: a true love (2/3/2006 11:29:00 PM)

in agreement to riot


===yeah i know gawd damn well that shit is right. the D takes care of the s...the s takes care of the D...in MOST of the "normal" accepted relationships.

so it IS about us...just as much as it is about THEM.
and i dare anyone to tell me different...i have been told over n over n over...THAT is how it IS supposed to be!


NOW

in MY place, in MY world here...SERVICE ONLY...guess what??????/

"I" do BOTH!
i take care of ME, HER the vanilla hubby, the 2 dogs AND the damned house.............

so guess what???????????? "I" get to shoulder the whole friggen burden all by myself..................................................................................

SHE aint got to DO shit,,,,how's THAT for a sweet ass deal huh?

"I" take care of everyone and everything INCLUDING ME dammit

now
go process that one through your meat blender...
i bet it goes down REAL sour!
i bet ya can't swallow it.




Tapestry -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:24:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

in agreement to riot


===yeah i know gawd damn well that shit is right. the D takes care of the s...the s takes care of the D...in MOST of the "normal" accepted relationships.

so it IS about us...just as much as it is about THEM.
and i dare anyone to tell me different...i have been told over n over n over...THAT is how it IS supposed to be!


NOW

in MY place, in MY world here...SERVICE ONLY...guess what??????/

"I" do BOTH!
i take care of ME, HER the vanilla hubby, the 2 dogs AND the damned house.............

so guess what???????????? "I" get to shoulder the whole friggen burden all by myself..................................................................................

SHE aint got to DO shit,,,,how's THAT for a sweet ass deal huh?

"I" take care of everyone and everything INCLUDING ME dammit

now
go process that one through your meat blender...
i bet it goes down REAL sour!
i bet ya can't swallow it.


Well, maybe that scenario wouldn't work for me, but Veronica, as long as YOU'RE happy with the situation, and YOUR needs are being met, who cares if it works for anyone else?
You're a dear, sweet man, with so much to give. Celebrate that.




Tapestry -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:33:34 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

See the pont of it all is. Our job is to look after them. Their job is to look after us.

They're commitment is to look after us. Take care of our needs, wants, desires, hungers, thirsts, kinks, and the odd assortment of whatever else we need to be so to speak swell, happy, jiffy and the like.

See it goes both ways. We focus on them.. they're desires.. needs.. wants.. pleasures.. happiness.

while in turn.. you got it.. they focus on us. They take care of us, when they see fit as we have trusted them to do right by us.

learning and growing towards the greater goal of the relationship How beautiful is that?

Very well said Riotgirl.




veronicaofML -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 2:07:53 AM)

Well, maybe that scenario wouldn't work for me, but Veronica, as long as YOU'RE happy with the situation, and YOUR needs are being met, who cares if it works for anyone else?
You're a dear, sweet man, with so much to give. Celebrate that.

_____________________________

Tapestry

Daddy's Little Girl
===================================

make sure, YOU take car4e of yourself..
stay well stay safe
and uh..ty




LadyJulieAnn -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 6:13:32 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: maleslave4ltr

why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?


You've had a lot of comments on your profile, but I would look beyond your profile and examine how you actually interact with Dommes you contact. Profiles are just an introduction and may not represent your true personality. Are you able to approach things without constantly discussing D/s? Do you treat the Domme like a woman, first and foremost, and not some unapproachable being? Long-term relationships need to be based on more than just "play periods".

Be well,
Julie




smilezz -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 6:31:12 AM)

quote:

why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?


Perhaps you are looking in the wrong direction? i don't know, just a thought. I also think that it's important to get out and have fun, learn, grow, just meet people within the kink community.
Remember...............sometimes it takes years to find that person that just clicks with you. Get out and have fun, you never know what is standing right next to you.
When you're not looking, there they are.

~smilezz~




truesub4u -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 6:39:14 AM)

Riot........

LOL... You sure know how to go the long way to say something.... but you're better at it than me. I go the long way... short way... and still get my meanings lost. Glad you posted before me.

I just can't see getting into any type of personal relationship... BDSM or vanilla.. if it's all going to be one sided. If I wanted to stay in a one sided relationship, I would of stayed married to ex hubby.




Evanesce -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 12:49:01 PM)

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why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term relationship?


Well, if you're wondering why you're not getting many hits from your profile, I'd have to say you'd need to go back and make it a bit more "domme-friendly." It reads very similar to a profile belonging to someone else with whom I had a brief interaction, only to realize that, as I'd suspected from reading his profile, he truly believed it was all about him. He wanted his relationship his way, on his terms, and when I told him what I expected, he wanted to argue every little detail with me. Not my idea of a good time, yanno?

Fewer expectations and demands makes for fewer disappointments. It's fine to know what you need, and you should not settle for less than what you need, but the wants have to be negotiable.




RiotGirl -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:01:17 PM)

quote:

I just can't see getting into any type of personal relationship... BDSM or vanilla.. if it's all going to be one sided. If I wanted to stay in a one sided relationship, I would of stayed married to ex hubby.


and i'd just marry my vibrator... makes the load alot easier as they havent any needs or baggage or mess that i have to pick up for them. As you know one sided ppl well they really ARE one sided and generally messy. Generally they cant take care of themselves (which is why the whole two sided thing is over their heads) so not only is it ONE sided, but you're taking care of them too.




KarbonCopy -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:02:38 PM)

Here's a quick one for ya to muster over.


True love. Doesnt exist. period. I dont care how many hopeless romantics are out there, that say its all true love, puppy dogs and farytales it doesnt exist.

There is no love at first sight, there are no soul mates. You just find people that compliment you. And you work with that. Sure you can be in love. Thats great, but there is no TRUE LOVE.

Quit watching movies.




RiotGirl -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:20:06 PM)

quote:

Here's a quick one for ya to muster over.


True love. Doesnt exist. period. I dont care how many hopeless romantics are out there, that say its all true love, puppy dogs and farytales it doesnt exist.

There is no love at first sight, there are no soul mates. You just find people that compliment you. And you work with that. Sure you can be in love. Thats great, but there is no TRUE LOVE.

Quit watching movies.


you are soley disenchanted. Probably burned as well. True love does exsist. The only ingrediants needed are two ppl who know how to TRUELY love. Even in fairytales theres a big bad witch of some sort. Fairytales are sorely mis understood. Hansel and Gretil.. they're parents left them in the woods to starve to death and a witch decided to cook them and eat them. Nothing is perfect ever, nothing is all good. There will always be a big bad witch involved. You need to learn the strength of charactor to net let that big bad witch ruin your happy ending. To keep moving forward to the goal you want. Let nothing stop you.

There is love at first sight and even lust at first sight. Most get the two confused. i know as i was there once. No soulmates? i know they're are kindred spirits. i think, i do believe. Just because you may have met your soul mate in passing doesnt always mean you are ready for them. Life has a way of twisting things. Learn to grab the moment at hand.

Back to NO TRUE LOVE? eh? Break it down. What is true love really? Frosted flakes? No, its a love that comes from inside of you that is true. Whats the opposite of true? False? So true love is a love that is not false. How can you say there is no true love? You are quite frankly telling me that your love is false. Inlove and loving are two different things. And how can you believe of being "inlove" when really you dont believe in love?

i suggest you go get a dog. Get a smart one. For the know love. A dog's love is a love that out of 26 years of living there was never a false in it. It is real love. Love with no strings, no conditions. Just a purity of giving of the heart and wanting only the best. No matter what you do, or what better comes along they will always love you as the same as when they first. They've loyalty like no other.

Go buy a dog and learn what its actually like to feel loved. People are way too finnicky and chances are your choice in people has led you to where you are and you never know about ppl. People on the whole tend to be false. i would say, get a dog, they cant be false as they live by on instinct. And what truer is that?




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: a true love (2/4/2006 1:20:30 PM)

quote:

KarbonCopy
True love. Doesnt exist. period. I dont care how many hopeless romantics are out there, that say its all true love, puppy dogs and farytales it doesnt exist.

There is no love at first sight, there are no soul mates. You just find people that compliment you. And you work with that. Sure you can be in love. Thats great, but there is no TRUE LOVE.
Have you come to enlighten us like Christ, or are you speaking from a painful place and your vast (being 20years old and all) and seemingly painful experience?
quote:

maleslave4ltr
why is it so hard to find a domme who will take seriously my desire for a long term
relationship?
Because finding the right partner is hard, and finding the right kinky partner is even harder... Your rigid profile stating exactly how things are going to be, and how she is going to do you is probably not helping you either, but that is only my opinion. M




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