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kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:15:18 AM)

There are plenty of indy auto repair shops around here - thankfully, we're not quite in the boondocks, but the car service is a good point to keep in mind. I want reliable - the kind of car that drives for 200K miles without a single sigh of protest [8D] . The Surburban, you say? Going to hop and look into this minutes (what an awful, awful name though [:(]). Thanks, Greedy!

PS: just looked at it. It's MASSIVE. Like a tank. And the price... GASP gag choke faint. What's the Ford Flex (rofl at the name)?



GreedyTop -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:18:18 AM)

one nice thing about a Suburban, too, is that theres room for all the STUFF that travels with 7 people ;) 



kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:21:19 AM)

Aaaargh at 'stuff'. Why why why do people have to take half their belongings with them each time they go anywhere? Packing cars = my idea of tedium hell.



GreedyTop -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:31:21 AM)

KS.. check prices outside of NH, too... sometimes, if you look at surrounding states, there may be a major difference in pricing (based on taxes etc).  sometimes, it can be worth the travel costs to go pick one up.

I mentioned the STUFF thing because you said 4 kids...  I was thinking sports equipment, etc.  If you get something that seats everyone, but has no cargo area room to speak of, that 7 person seating can get terribly cramped by trying to cram the bodies AND gear into the seating area.



sirsholly -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:36:27 AM)

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Aaaargh at 'stuff'. Why why why do people have to take half their belongings with them each time they go anywhere? Packing cars = my idea of tedium hell.
there were days when we used to grab our purses and head out the door. I miss 'em!!
Now it is a bag of toys, a sippy cup or two, extra clothes (a set for the kid for when he pukes..and a set for for mom when he pukes), stroller, car seat, etc.

A bigger car is a must....



MissBeautiful2U -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:43:56 AM)

Absolutely would buy American.  I've had a couple Saturns that I loved (I got 38mpg in Hawaii) but typically lower than that in Michigan.  I've also had a chevy malibu which was nice... it had a lot of get up and go when I needed it and was easy to go a little too fast in.  I was disappointed in the materials they used for the knobs on the stereo though because the black wore off.   I've never noticed a problem with the engines.

I think a lot of companies are going cheaper on materials.  I know my ex works at a sunroof company that makes sunroofs for a lot of different companies, domestic and foriegn, and the mantra is lower the cost lower the cost LOWER THE COST!!!! LOL  And hence cheaper materials occur.

I also am well aware that a lot of parts for all companies are made globally.  That annoys me because it is hard to compete when someone's economies are so different.  In Mexico there is one factory that pays about $50 a week to its employees according to someone I know.  Obviously that is enough for someone to live on down there, but not for someone to live on up here.  There are so many jobs in my state that are related to the auto industry... and almost everyone I know has a friend or family member who works in the auto industry.  Not to mention all those who work in businesses that support people who work in the plants.  For that reason, I cannot in good conscience drive a foreign car.  My local economy is too tied in to the US auto market. 



kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 11:54:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I mentioned the STUFF thing because you said 4 kids...  I was thinking sports equipment, etc.  If you get something that seats everyone, but has no cargo area room to speak of, that 7 person seating can get terribly cramped by trying to cram the bodies AND gear into the seating area.



I know - you wouldn't believe the amount of garbage they cart around with them. If only it were just a kite and a picnic basket ... incidentally, there is no sales tax in NH. Which makes me think we're better off buying in state rather than out of it.



GreedyTop -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:05:13 PM)

some states may have a lower MSRP... worth checking.  Are you looking at new or used?  if used, check prices outside the state.. hell expand your search criteria to include all the eastern seaboard.  Particularly states with loads of military installations, and high foreclosure stats....



rulemylife -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:07:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

KS.. check prices outside of NH, too... sometimes, if you look at surrounding states, there may be a major difference in pricing (based on taxes etc).  sometimes, it can be worth the travel costs to go pick one up.



I think most states require you to make up the tax differential when you register the vehicle if the tax where you purchased it from is lower than the state you're titling it. 

I know Ohio and Florida do.



sirsholly -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:10:23 PM)

we just bought our new one in Ohio (we live in Pa). The sales tax was based on the Pa rate.



samboct -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:12:01 PM)

Hi Kittin

On that sales tax thing- generally you get to pay sales tax where the vehicle is registered if its going out of state.  Note that 'Burbans have a wide variety of trim levels which explains some pretty big pricing differences.  There's no disagreeing that a 'Burban is a tank- but I know a lot of people that after they get use to them, grow to really like the brutes.  And you will be able to take half a dozen people skiing- plus a friend or two with all the gear.

There are forums dedicated to the beasts such as -http://chevyforum.org/chevy-forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15

I suspect most cars worthy of looking at have owner enthusiast forums.

Sam



rulemylife -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:19:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

Yeah, I'm kinda hellbent against buying a brand new car. It's crazy to pay so much for something that will lose I don't know how much of its value as soon as it's out of the dealership. I don't mind doing it with diamonds, mind you [8D] .


Best thing in the world, too many good used values to pass up.

Just somewhat of a pain to have to go through ads and drive all over the place looking for the right deal as opposed to just walking in a showroom.

The car I have now was 1 1/2 years old when I bought it, with less than 10,000 miles.  It was barely broken in and I saved thousands off the same new model which was an identical car as far as features and body style.



PMnpanthercub -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:38:10 PM)

our last two vehicles were fords.  we get the discount plan as family members to a retired ford employee, so that helped sway the decision financially, but we drove a number of different vehicles too.  we have a large family, so it had to carry all of us plus our stuff, which has grown to include  my wheelchair.  we got a fusion for the in town, short trip, less than all of us trips, which has enough trunk space to accommodate my chair.  the expedition is for the full family trips plus my wheelchair and all the groceries or luggage or whatever.  our next vehicle will most likely be a 4x4 ford capable of pulling the trailer for the race cars like the expedition does but must also be big enough to carry the entire family.  since i'm not driving anymore, we're cutting back to one vehicle period.  we're looking at the four door super crew pickup, possibly a diesel, maybe a dually.
PM



sappatoti -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:39:04 PM)

~FR to Kittin~

You might want to also check out the Ford Expedition. It's a similar vehicle to that of a Chevy Suburban. I've ridden in both and they're both nice vehicles (I'm a Mopar fan myself). I've also spent a winter or two in New Hampshire (Goffstown area) and I wouldn't want to be in anything less capable then either a Suburban or Expedition.

Mini-vans, though they be front-wheel drive, aren't the type of vehicle I'd recommend for serious winter driving.



rulemylife -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:40:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

we just bought our new one in Ohio (we live in Pa). The sales tax was based on the Pa rate.


That's what I mean, as far as I know, most states apply the tax where you register the vehicle.

If the Ohio tax was less than PA you would still pay the Pennsylvania rate.

So buying in a state, or a county within that state, with lower sales tax doesn't benefit you.

It only benefits you if your local tax rate is lower than where you bought it, which I imagine is what happened in your  case, from what you said.







kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:44:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sappatoti
Mini-vans, though they be front-wheel drive, aren't the type of vehicle I'd recommend for serious winter driving.


Thanks, sappa. Trust me, I couldn't agree more (I've had a couple of bad experiences in one, and on a slippery snowed over road - thought I was going die), but the fact of the matter is that when you have six people to transport, you have no other choice - unless you want to take two cars every time that the whole clan goes out together. Which is a major pain as well.

Nobody commented on the Ford Flex, so I went and looked, and it's got quite good reviews.

PS: although the problem with it is that because it's a brand new car there are no second-hand deals to be made.



kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:47:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: samboct
There's no disagreeing that a 'Burban is a tank- but I know a lot of people that after they get use to them, grow to really like the brutes. 


But... it's so large it's scary. And it looks like the kind of car a fascist would drive, you know, the kind with "McCain/Palin" stickers on them [8D] .



sappatoti -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:48:22 PM)

To be honest, I've not even heard of the Ford Flex.

Of course, not being in the market for a new car, I don't even know what's available any more.



kittinSol -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:49:21 PM)

It looks like a very very large Mini - and super comfy, by the looks of things. It's not quite a Minivan, from what I understand, but some kind of weird ass crossover thingeymagey.



sappatoti -> RE: Would you buy an american car? (5/7/2009 12:58:43 PM)

The reviews look good on it. But you're right... being a new vehicle model the deals just aren't there in the "previously owned" market.



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