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LookieNoNookie -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 5:32:30 PM)

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fuck off you're not American so you don't understand
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ORIGINAL: JonnieBoy

I've met and enjoyed the company (in person)of a good number of contributors to this site.Not one of them has proven to be any less than spectacular in person.

There are a lot of jealous mudslinging negative contributors here too.I will say that all those I have met I have chosen to meet and I believe they have chosen to meet me.
No one expects me to be polite all the time but I am rarely rude (except in terms of the music genre)

I am wondering if anyone can give me a good reason or two to visit this site more often than recently as well as offer a translation of the term fascist from US English into common English.

It is woeful that my expectation is so low but I will be frank ... the "fuck off you're not American so you don't understand" shit will not wash.

If anyone can explain why people who don't know me and never met me can try telling me what I should think then I say  maybe they are building the next "Iron Curtain"/"Wall Of China"/"Hadrians Wall" and by extension ... living in a siege mentality.

CM has a lot to offer but a lot of assholes on the roll undermining what it could be.

Pirate

(expecting that it was more hassle than it was worth to post this but doing it for a GOOD cause)



You're not American, so you don't understand.




sblady -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 6:14:36 PM)

Kali, your signature line is awesome!! 

Apologies for the slight derailment. [;)]




beargonewild -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 7:19:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Wow!  I'm with Breathesasone.  Do we really come across that way?  Even with the regulars who post here?


No.

As with any country or nation, there are segments of the population who do come across as rude, arrogant, impolite, etc yet they do not reflect the overall populace as a whole. Having worked in the food service industry for over 20 years, I had to deal with the public and during tourist season this included people from other countries. Granted there were a few who were the poster child for idiots.




JonnieBoy -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 10:28:40 PM)

Like I said ... that shit won't wash.

Pirate




GreedyTop -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 10:36:29 PM)

Celeste, he was here for over a month.  But I think his post was more about here, on the forums, not America as a whole.




WyldHrt -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/7/2009 11:57:44 PM)

This is a reason that another forum I belong to (which is truly multi-national:  owner in one country, servers/ server admin in another, and support/ tech admin in a third) disallows both political and religious threads. It's amazing to me how well folks from all over the world get along when politics and religion are removed from the menu. There is most certainly teasing and joking between the members from various countries, but it doesn't get nasty (OK, the football fans (of both types) are a little rowdy, and the Olympics always have the Mods working overtime, lol).

There are a crapload of people who are assholes and happen to be American, just like there are a crapload of people who are assholes in general. That said, in a country with a population of over 300,000,000 in an area about 3.79 million square miles, making generalizations based on nationality doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I can only offer the following-
To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy:
"There are plenty of smart folks in the US; doctors, lawyers, and such. Our problem is that we can't keep the most ignorant of us off the internet".









allthatjaz -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 12:13:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Wow!  I'm with Breathesasone.  Do we really come across that way?  Even with the regulars who post here?



Got to say Lady Pact that you remind me of many Americans I had the pleasure of meeting during my travels. Over the years I have spent a lot of time in the US and I found people to be mainly friendly, polite and interesting and I'm glad I have been because the opinion I would of formed from here alone would not necessarily be a good one.
There seem to be a number of regular American posters on here that have venomous tongues. They are normally seen together, so if one starts you can put a bet on the others joining in.
Steve and me had a laugh the other night when one of these posters wrote something overly sarcastic to someone who in our opinion asked a fairly innocent question. I turned to him and said ' I bet within an hour at least three of her followers will of either quoted her or written something else derogatory'. I lost the bet because only two of them did but then the others not been around for a few weeks. I know we shouldn't form an opinion over a few sad American know it alls but sadly that is going to happen.

I don't think Pirate hates the Americans at all, in fact I think he loves at least one [;)]
I certainly don't hate the Americans but I really get irked by some of the Americans on here.

Maria




GreedyTop -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 12:26:00 AM)

Maria.. that was his point with his OP .. HERE ..on CM...

thanks for getting that :)




DemonKia -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 3:11:29 AM)

Well. Here goes some of whatever 'popularity' I might have going on here, but I'm gonna tell ya what I think, Mr-Pirate-hubby-of-Greedy. Cuz I think you can take it, lol. & even better, I think you might 'get', & possibly even enjoy, it . ... .

&, yeah, just to be clear, what follows is my opinion.

I love much of what my country stands for, but I despair for our rather committed:

* narrow parochialism

* monolingualism

* anti-intellectualism

* pretensions of global (in all senses of the word) superiority

* delusions of manifest destiny

* imperial over-reach

(I'm gonna stop there, cuz I could literally rant this list for a good long time.)

It's so below us to behave in such ways, but we -- as a group -- do. The 'ugly American' is a label that's been earned by the hundreds of millions of poorly behaved 'proud Americans' acting like, yes, only America 'really' counts, everybody else, the other 21 out of 22 humans on the planet, they're rather incidental . . . . . Mere temporary custodians of resources we may someday want, that sorta thing . .. . . That's if we bother to notice any of those 21 out of 22 other persons in the world . .....

One on one, it's not necessarily so noticeable. & there are, of course, plenty of sophisticated, savvy, & well-informed thinkers in the U.S. & plenty who are nice & polite. & there's even some who are both. But.

American superiority (in just about everything, it's generally assumed) is the party line here, one of the primary thematics all over the place. People 'trigger' on the patriotism thing to a degree that's kinda alarming, it's almost impossible to have any kind of critical discussion of the state of the country (much less the world) with most because of that . ... . . 'Must not criticize the U.S., must not criticize the U.S.', it's like a freaking mantra of ostrichism. We just know we're better, & anything that points in any direction other than that is not happy news, & any bearers of such are to be shot. With prejudice. Immediately upon identification. & most definitely metaphorically if not actually.

& we Americans, who rarely speak any language but our own version of English & are (perplexingly) obnoxiously proud of our relative linguistic ignorance, & who barely travel abroad at all compared to many other citizens of the planet, feel quite empowered about sharing our minimalist worldview with everybody. Frequently we even believe in shoving it proudly down the throats of others. & of using every bit of fallacious reasoning at our disposal. In my experience, we Americans especially love every variation of ad hom we can figure out -- we love character assassination . .. . . .

Makes me rather nauseous, in addition to a might embarrassed . . .. . & I do have expat yearnings . ... . .

I like to joke (to those who can take it) that I'd be happy to give the whole place back to the Native Americans / Amerindians & they can ship me back to where my ancestors came from -- the UK. Hehehehe . .....

& I probably just did a most excellent job of pissing off a bunch of 'red-blooded twue American' types, but I've been doin' that my whole life, so *shrug* . . . . . See, I love my country enough to know it can improve, & the first step to improving is recognizing the problems. & while the First Amendment protections for freedom of expression are truly marvelous, they only mean something if they protect that which is despised & opposed. Like, oh, say, criticism.

Oh. & I don't argue about my opinion, don't really see the point. Jus' so's you knows.

(& for those who are open to learning about what truly rat-bastards we've (the U.S. gov't, mega-corps, & etc) behaved as on a global scale throughout the postwar period, I highly highly highly recommend 'Killing Hope' by William Blum. Warning tho', it's some of the most painful reading I've ever done.)

Okay. End rant. I'll put the soapbox away. For those who had a sympathetic ear for the above, thanks.

Oh. & as for how it pertains to here on CM. Yeah, well, there seems to be far more Yanks here than any other nationality, by a long shot. & since the 'Ugly American' thing is so pervasive & deep, I'd expect it to show up here pretty strongly.

Luckily, my experience is that the hater kind is just not my type of person, & I tend to spot those & learn to skip over what they have to say. There are some very hostile humans, here as well as everywhere, & I just try to avoid them. I stay focused on the (mostly) positive end of things, of what I want to achieve, do, & be, & I try to ignore or go around whatever doesn't fit into that.

To argue is a derailment of self into another's energy & stuff, & I care for my own attentions too much to waste them unnecessarily . . . ..

Hope something in this helped someone somewhere, other than just how good it feels to vent . ... . .




breatheasone -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 5:42:33 AM)

America is FAR from perfect, admittedly. Thats what makes it one of the greatest nations on Earth. We have the right to be imperfect here...We have the right to be wrong, we have the right to say we are wrong, and most importantly we have the right AND freedom to do it. i absolutely LOVE my country!! i bleed red, white and blue... Am i naive enough to believe America is always right? No, don' be silly. I believe We are a Great nation, and i am VERY proud to be an American.[:)]




SassySarijane -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 6:09:09 AM)

As an American, I regularly, in everyday life run into rude, nasty, superior acting, selfish Americans with a sense of entitlement. Last weekend, I attended my first Leather event and was literally stunned and blown away by how courteous, personable, mannerly and decent 99% of the people there behaved. It was almost like a culture shock for me in a very pleasant way. How sad that that is not the norm rather than the exception in society today. As to on CM, yes I have seen what the OP is talking about and have seen some of it from non Americans as well.




beargonewild -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 6:23:33 AM)

Every country is far from perfect and I am willing to state even my own can do with great improvements. The issue which I have a tough time trying to process is this "one of the greatest nations" simply for the fact that a statement such as this just begs to be disputed. To my ears this smacks of one up ism which inevitably leads to we are better than you type of thinking.....

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GreedyTop -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 6:55:22 AM)

Kia.... BRILLIANT post :)




kittinSol -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 7:07:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone
We have the right to be imperfect here...We have the right to be wrong, we have the right to say we are wrong, and most importantly we have the right AND freedom to do it.


None of these things are exclusive to America.




LaTigresse -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 7:10:40 AM)

I agree!




Andalusite -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 8:29:52 AM)

Face to face, most Americans (and foreigners) I've met have been nice, polite, and friendly. In general, people in large cities aren't as friendly as those in small towns, but aren't as likely to be bothered by people who are different. On the boards, both here and on vanilla sites, political threads tend to get very ugly, even from people who otherwise seem nice. I try to be friendly to everyone, even when I have a strong opinion. I know a lot of people (mostly in person, but quite a few online), who perceive Christians as all being mean and obnoxious. I try to stay calm, even if it feels they are "attacking" me for being a Christian, since it obviously is in reaction to other people who mistreated them. I certainly can't convert people who aren't interested to Christianity, but I try to at least let them know that not all of us are like that. I haven't really run into that attitude about Americans very frequently, but I'd probably try to handle it about the same way.




Rainfire -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 9:59:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone

Do people from other countries really think American people are mean?? Man.... that makes me seriously SAD.... i love my Country, and have always been kinda proud of us ....i was under the impression we were a nice people....i always felt we were....


I haven't read the entire thread yet, I have 2 or 3 more pages to go but I had to answer this...

For the record, I was born in the US, went to school in Australia, came back to the States and now live happily married in Canada. Yep, I've been around a bit. Since I tend to go out of my way to learn about the country and people where I live, it was with some great distress to see, repeatedly, the rude, crude and horrible attitudes, behaviors and actions of Americans overseas. And to make matters worse, when I would confront them about it, I would usually get shocked responses of "you're AMERICAN??? Why are you HERE?" like it was some atrocious crime. Followed by apologies a few times. But I always wondered why they would apologize to me once they knew I was a US citizen but not if I was Australian or Canadian. It's like people figure that if they're not in the US, they can do whatever they like, act as badly as they want and get away with it. The bad American-abroad reputation  is somewhat justified, I've seen it numerous times firsthand. I guess the flipside is that there are those of us that are trying to also get the "good American-abroad" out there as well. To me, it's the biggest compliment when it was just taken for granted that I was Australian when I lived there or now, that I'm Canadian.

Now for the OP (hiyas JB, long time no talk!) I can see where he's coming from. Americans can be so insulated and think that the entire fricking planet starts and stops with them and no one else is allowed an opinion. Well, when you get American politics and news shoved in yer face all day long, to say that they don't know what's going on is incorrect. Sometimes, we get a clearer view because we can look in without the bias of some of the big US news agencies. One of the biggest shocks in going to school overseas was learning about the American Revolution from another country's POV. OMG, what an eye-opener!

Just because someone has a different opinion on what is going on, doesn't make them a fascist. Or socialist. Or whatever. And someone from another country has just as much right to their opinion about America as Americans have the right to their opinion about other countries. Let's face it, this world has gotten a lot smaller in this day of jet travel and instant communications world wide. Now that travel and communications have opened, maybe we can get some minds opened.....  [:)]




breatheasone -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 11:44:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

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ORIGINAL: breatheasone
We have the right to be imperfect here...We have the right to be wrong, we have the right to say we are wrong, and most importantly we have the right AND freedom to do it.


None of these things are exclusive to America.

Geez...i didn't say they were....why are you so cranky?? Seriously?




kittinSol -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 11:49:38 AM)

Hey, don't pick on me because your post wasn't all that well received [8|] .




philosophy -> RE: Positive Experience ... Negative Backlash (5/8/2009 11:50:15 AM)

FR

...i lived in the US for six months or so. Lots of friendly people, but also pockets of some of the nastiest bigots i've ever met........and i've met a lot of bigots in my time. i think the difference in the US, as opposed to most other countries, is that bigots hide behind the concept of free speech and believe it justifies their vitriol. Other countries tend to treat bigots as arseholes and sod free speech.
In other words, when some arsehole racist spouts off in a bar....in countries outside the US the arsehole is told to stfu and if they don't then there's a nice cosy alley round the back and these nice people want to chat with you there.....in the US they respond by quoting their right to free speech.....and no-one really wants to challenge that.




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