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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/6/2006 2:26:59 PM   
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Im justifying because i do not want to be selfish. It "aint" all about me!

No relationship is ever all about any one person.

However, we get into relationship with certain expectations, with certain agreements and priorities. If someone seriously changes those expectations and agreements in the middle of things- it's not selfish or bad to say "Wait, what's going on? I might not work optimally here."

I know you aren't complaining, but trying to shove it away or justify things won't really lead to a satisfying solution either.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/6/2006 4:14:08 PM   
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I know you aren't complaining, but trying to shove it away or justify things won't really lead to a satisfying solution either.


I totally agree...Im still in a win/win situation..... The best kind to be in. When we do dust off the toy bag....it absolutely awesome.....when the dust is collecting, Im still owned by a wonderful Master. So, dust to dust, Im a fortunate girl.

Thank you...

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/6/2006 4:18:48 PM   
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I'm sooooooooooooooo disappointed. When I saw the thread title, I thought this was going to be about Dusty!

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/6/2006 4:42:46 PM   
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I'm sooooooooooooooo disappointed. When I saw the thread title, I thought this was going to be about Dusty!


Never want you disappointed, we could always let Dusty use the toy bag and hear of his great adventures....There's always a solution to every problem.... Didnt you know? Just ask anyone here on the forum. *smile*

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/7/2006 12:07:20 AM   
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However, we get into relationship with certain expectations, with certain agreements and priorities. If someone seriously changes those expectations and agreements in the middle of things- it's not selfish or bad to say "Wait, what's going on? I might not work optimally here."


I agree with that...think you have to be careful....justifying a diminishment in play etc by thinking along the lines of " oh well i dont need it...there are so many other aspects that are so good"... can make little parts of yourself die inside...and before long...it will filter out into the relationship itself...sex and play are an important part of an intimate relationship, well if that was the type of relationship you entered into.

Don't feel guilty abut expressing to your Master...sharing allows him to deal with it as your Master...much better option that bottling it up or denying what your feeling by pretending its not happening.


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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/7/2006 3:59:34 AM   
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Don't feel guilty abut expressing to your Master...sharing allows him to deal with it as your Master...much better option that bottling it up or denying what your feeling by pretending its not happening.


The guilt is caused from within, nothing placed from my Master. So, I will continue to work on that part. You are so correct that sharing allows Him to deal with it as my Master. He is very open, receptive and very much an effective communicator. Thank you for your response.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/11/2006 5:03:26 PM   
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. I do however struggle with the fact when i do share with my Sir that i miss the play and then He does incorporate the play more. Then i feel somewhat guilty that i asked for things for my pleasure...Self-imposed guilt...nothing from my Sir.



i know how difficult it is for a lot of us to "ask" for what we want, or need, so i do understand how that feels.

The problem with that, however, is that we tend to endow our Master's with abilities that even they can't possibly have -- that of being a mind reader.

Since you are one of those fortunate enough to have a Master with whom you can discuss anything, perhaps you could learn to trust him enough to take your request and/or need under consideration and implement with he thinks is best. (and i'm not being sarcastic here since i have the same problem)

good luck, and huggles
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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/11/2006 5:57:29 PM   
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Why are you trying to justify it?

Why has his desires for play changed dramatically from what they were?

What are his feelings about these changes?

What are his goals and desires for the future in regards to play?



Im justifying because i do not want to be selfish. It "aint" all about me!

I do not think his desires have changed dramatically. In our case, our lives are very busy...and I think "time" is the enemy of our play, not the desires as much. However, I will note...my desire for play is probably greater, but he does find enjoyment in it.

He recognizes that we have played less and there's always tomorrow syndrome. Which I agree he owns my tomorrow's. I am His present and future.

He has some very elaborate scenes planned in the next couple of months at a dungeon we love to go to...However, Im simple...it doesnt take an elaborate scene to thrill me...one touch of his hand, holding a shiny knife works for me..or just something unexpected.....smile.

Someone mentioned play is not life. This is so very true. I have had my life centered around play before and I do not want it to go back to that extent. Master knows this...This may be a reason for the dust a bit. There is more to M/s than the play and I am learning those wonderful things as well.

The thread was started out of curiosity, again, as I say not complaining...Complaints are handled in the Master department on bended knee...NOT in a forum.

I do want to thank everyone for the wonderful intellectual responses.


I'm having a hard time composing this to make it sound right.....

Stop agonizing over being "selfish" because he's showing signs that he obviously wants to make you happy. It does start to lean towards selfishness when you don't stop and consider the possibility that maybe HE misses the toy bag too, and wants to rekindle the old feelings and fun times too! There is a big difference in being whiny and demanding and just giving gentle reminders when real life interferes. Don't be so concerned about keeping your own conscience clear and see that he obviously desires your positive reactions to his attentions and NEEDS to feel like your Master. The only way he can do that is by doing what Masters do. So let him. It's been my experience with human behavior that if people REALLY don't want to do something, they don't.

It's like when you go to dinner with someone who is not very well off financially, and they want to pay the check, because it gives them pleasure to pay for your dinner. Is it more important to put your foot down and pay the check yourself because they "can't afford it"? That way, YOUR conscience is clear...in YOUR mind, you personally did not contribute to the other's poverty. But, they went home reminded of their financial situation, disgusted with themself because they can't even treat a friend to dinner. Or do you swallow your pride a little bit and let them build their self-esteem a little and have the pleasure of treating a friend to dinner?

I know I'm rambling on trying to make sense. I hope I did.


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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 1:33:51 PM   
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It doesn't sound like you are worried about the relationship ending. So let me tell you I think that you are likely possessed of all the charms necassary to set your master's blood a boil. You mentioned that he is very creative. Sometimes life can get in the way. If we all could live in a tower with our beloved without any concern for the rest of the world, but I digress. Perhaps you can look upon this as a way to explore your own creativity. So he is more into the service oriented aspects of it. You probably have done everything you normally would think to be of service and they may have become routine. But there is always something not considered. You may try to find something new to offer up to your master. He may then grant you what you wish with a renewed passion. Here's another idea, and again I don't know you guys so I can't say it will work for you so just consider it an example. I notice that your profile says that you are bi curious. You may consider actively searching for another lady who can be sub to your master and dom to you. Even if it is not a permanent situation it may be enough to spice up your play for quite a while afterward. I know for me there is very little that is as hot as seeing my sweetie being worked over by another woman. That's my thing though.

Best of luck,
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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 2:35:24 PM   
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You probably have done everything you normally would think to be of service and they may have become routine. But there is always something not considered. You may try to find something new to offer up to your master. He may then grant you what you wish with a renewed passion. Here's another idea, and again I don't know you guys so I can't say it will work for you so just consider it an example. I notice that your profile says that you are bi curious. You may consider actively searching for another lady who can be sub to your master and dom to you.


Thanks Pham..great advice....My Master is creative, but i am as well...he has the deep thoughts and i have the playful nature...makes for some very intense times...He does very much like a service oriented sub, but that wasnt my original foundation....Im really not a routine service oriented person to this day, even though I do work on it because it does please Master and pleasing him pleases me...such a wonderful circle.

Actually, W/we do have a switch that we play with occasionally that is so awesome. The great part, she loves as much attention as I do...So between me and her we put on quite a hott show..lol...Im sure the toy bag will get dusted when W/we meet her again...(she has her own bag too...wink wink) LOL

I really didnt mean to imply that our relationship is boring or dull...NOT ho hum in the least....maybe I am interchanging the term play with S&M activities too much.

Everyone has been so great in their responses. Again, I love learning from others.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 2:42:07 PM   
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It's like when you go to dinner with someone who is not very well off financially, and they want to pay the check, because it gives them pleasure to pay for your dinner. Is it more important to put your foot down and pay the check yourself because they "can't afford it"? That way, YOUR conscience is clear...


I do understand exactly what you are saying...This is a lesson Master had to teach me...Im the one that wanted my conscience clear...so originally, I wouldnt let the person pay for the meal if i thought they couldnt afford it.....Master teaches me, do not ruin someone elses blessing...this took me awhile to understand...

You are correct...me thinking I am selfish is of my own doing...Master truly wants a happy slave. It is the fact that life interferes with play and not with our desires. We constantly keep it on the forefront of our thoughts and coversations....I guess since the dust has been collecting, this is a long-term foreplay...LOL.....

But on the play scale, I perhaps tip it more in my direction and the intimacy, affection and chillaxing tips more towards him....Doesnt mean we both dont enjoy it ALL.

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It doesn't sound like you are worried about the relationship ending. So let me tell you I think that you are likely possessed of all the charms necassary to set your master's blood a boil


You are correct... I feel very comfortable and secure in O/our relationship. I am so very blessed. Smiled at the boiling...when the water is on...its HOTT....LOL.

Thank you for your advice and thoughts.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 2:47:38 PM   
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The problem with that, however, is that we tend to endow our Master's with abilities that even they can't possibly have -- that of being a mind reader


You are correct...Master as great as he is...is not a mind reader...although, sometimes he comes very close (smile)...

I am learning that my little hints (instead of whining) are not noticed. We do communicate very well, but Im learning my hint communication is not up to par...so I am working on it...smile...

For example, while laying beside of Sir...I would say, mmmm, sure would love to feel your cuffs....(my hint).....After discussing this with Master, he said I needed to respectfully bring the cuffs to him and ask to wear them...(in His opinion needed to be more respectfully direct)..this is when I learned my hints weren't noticeable. Master had not even remembered me saying this....in which I wouldnt push the issue because I thought it registered.

It's all about communication and we are communicating on how to communicate...smile

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 3:11:14 PM   
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It's like when you go to dinner with someone who is not very well off financially, and they want to pay the check, because it gives them pleasure to pay for your dinner. Is it more important to put your foot down and pay the check yourself because they "can't afford it"? That way, YOUR conscience is clear...


I do understand exactly what you are saying...This is a lesson Master had to teach me...Im the one that wanted my conscience clear...so originally, I wouldnt let the person pay for the meal if i thought they couldnt afford it.....Master teaches me, do not ruin someone elses blessing...this took me awhile to understand...

You are correct...me thinking I am selfish is of my own doing...Master truly wants a happy slave. It is the fact that life interferes with play and not with our desires. We constantly keep it on the forefront of our thoughts and coversations....I guess since the dust has been collecting, this is a long-term foreplay...LOL.....

But on the play scale, I perhaps tip it more in my direction and the intimacy, affection and chillaxing tips more towards him....Doesnt mean we both dont enjoy it ALL.




Good, I'm glad you understood and took what I said in the spirit in which it was intended. I was afraid I was sounding negative and critical.

You know what? Every relationship hits "bumps" in the road now and then and real life sneaks in. It sounds like you have something really good and special, and I really don't think you have anything to seriously worry about!

BTW, I love the way you said he taught you...."do not ruin someone else's blessing". That is such a beautiful, and true (IMHO) way to put it!

Best to you!

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 3:15:44 PM   
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Good, I'm glad you understood and took what I said in the spirit in which it was intended. I was afraid I was sounding negative and critical.

You know what? Every relationship hits "bumps" in the road now and then and real life sneaks in. It sounds like you have something really good and special, and I really don't think you have anything to seriously worry about!

BTW, I love the way you said he taught you...."do not ruin someone else's blessing". That is such a beautiful, and true (IMHO) way to put it!

Best to you!


Oh no, your post wasnt negative at all... My passion for the boards have really been rekindled because this whole thread was very positive..and I am thankful for that.

I truly am not worried...I basically was curious about other relationships when life interferes....btw...im a masochist...i love a few bumps...(BIG SMILE).

My Master is deep and does teach me to be a much more thoughtful person that's when the "blessing lesson" came in...I thought I was being thoughtful...until I saw His point.

Again...Thank you.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 3:29:58 PM   
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So we, have discussed this at great length and there is nothing I cannot discuss at Master's feet. I do however struggle with the fact when i do share with my Sir that i miss the play and then He does incorporate the play more. Then i feel somewhat guilty that i asked for things for my pleasure...Self-imposed guilt...nothing from my Sir.


This was a struggle for me as well. Himself feels this way.. he 'requires' that I give him my feelings and thoughts. Then he 'chooses' whether or not to act on what I've been feeling or thinking. The control remains with him. If there is something which I would like, it's required that I ask for it and at no time am I ever to believe that Himself is a mind reader. Failing to ask for something I want is akin to keeping my power and controlling the relationship because then the choice is mine instead of his. Once I wrapped my brains around that truth for us, things became easier and whether it was in the area of play or not, didn't matter. That I ask, communicate what I am thinking and feeling does matter.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/12/2006 5:36:57 PM   
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This was a struggle for me as well. Himself feels this way.. he 'requires' that I give him my feelings and thoughts. Then he 'chooses' whether or not to act on what I've been feeling or thinking. The control remains with him. If there is something which I would like, it's required that I ask for it and at no time am I ever to believe that Himself is a mind reader. Failing to ask for something I want is akin to keeping my power and controlling the relationship because then the choice is mine instead of his. Once I wrapped my brains around that truth for us, things became easier and whether it was in the area of play or not, didn't matter. That I ask, communicate what I am thinking and feeling does matter.


BINGO!!!! You verbalized this so well... This is EXACTLY how Master guides O/our relationship.

You hit the nail on the head when you said by failing to ask directly instead of hinting I was making choices and not gving him total control.

I am learning to understand this concept the more I mature in my journey.

Thank you.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/13/2006 6:19:22 PM   
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Your relationship as it is unfolding sounds wonderful. The toy bag is often just a toy bag. Not using the instruments of BDSM does not cheapen or degrade the sincerity of worship or service.

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/13/2006 6:37:12 PM   
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Your relationship as it is unfolding sounds wonderful. The toy bag is often just a toy bag. Not using the instruments of BDSM does not cheapen or degrade the sincerity of worship or service.

No and neither does going out to the movies together.

But if you've been with someone awhile and going out to the movies is something you've both really enjoyed doing together and you've both said it's great and you always want to keep going to the movies together and then suddenly one person doesn't want to go to the movies anymore, or makes excuses, or drags their feet or doesn't make it a priority- that can be an issue.

It's not about "play or lack thereof" it's about "something special we used to share and really enjoy and be a really great strong part of our relationship and now one of us is no long really sharing and enjoying."

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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/13/2006 6:51:38 PM   
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I emphatically agree; if one is left behind without a sense of why something has changed, it can certainly sow unrest, just as much as one who gets caught up in the props and stage play and makes "subspace" more a priority than the pleasure of their Master or Mistress—or the love they should have for them.


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RE: Toy Bag Dusty - 2/13/2006 8:47:16 PM   
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So we, have discussed this at great length and there is nothing I cannot discuss at Master's feet. I do however struggle with the fact when i do share with my Sir that i miss the play and then He does incorporate the play more. Then i feel somewhat guilty that i asked for things for my pleasure...Self-imposed guilt...nothing from my Sir.


This was a struggle for me as well. Himself feels this way.. he 'requires' that I give him my feelings and thoughts. Then he 'chooses' whether or not to act on what I've been feeling or thinking. The control remains with him. If there is something which I would like, it's required that I ask for it and at no time am I ever to believe that Himself is a mind reader. Failing to ask for something I want is akin to keeping my power and controlling the relationship because then the choice is mine instead of his. Once I wrapped my brains around that truth for us, things became easier and whether it was in the area of play or not, didn't matter. That I ask, communicate what I am thinking and feeling does matter.

Celeste



i am in a similar situation. i am His "early warning indicator" as he puts it. i am required to share all thoughts and feelings. He addresses that which he thinks needs addressing. i may ask for something, or address a concern, if i do so appropriately, and then only once. He may not like what i am feeling, but only when he knows what i am thinking & feeling can he address if i appear to be going south.

i love what you said about failing to ask for something. Very true.

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