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pinnipedster -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 12:10:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite Being a "pony" wouldn't necessarily have to be hard physical work. In the thread I wrote a while back on "bratty animal play," we were discussing various possibilities. I think in some circumstances it would be amusing to have someone play a Thellwell pony, sidleing just out of range when I tried to grab his bridle, snatching carrots and checking my pockets for sugar, needing to get lots of thwacks with the dressage whip to move out of a walk, etc. Not the kind of dynamic I'd want on a regular basis, but a fun, playful, silly kind of scene. While my own person experience with horses is virtually nil, from stories from other people I know have made it clear that even "tame" horses can definitely be rebellious and difficult to deal with at times -- very different from the puppy mentality. I seem to recall someone making the comparison that with a dog, you can toss him one piece of bad meat and he'll gladly jump into a fire for you, but with a horse, you can spend years of hard labor keeping him fed and groomed and his stable clean and he'll still shove you into the barn wall just because you're there...I imagine it's not true of all horses, but I definitely get the impression you need to be more constant about reinforcing your authority. I expect I'd be a fairly tame pony but I would probably be a little more prone to mischief or recalcitrance than I would as a puppy (or as a human, for that matter!).

undergroundsea -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 1:14:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz I had a human chicken once! She could lay eggs too Were they hardboiled or regular? ;-) I had a conversation just this weekend with a domme who lives in San Francisco. She spoke of organized fox hunts on a farm house where foxes (latex fox costume) go hide, puppies seek them out and point them out to the dommes, who, if I recall correctly, are being pulled in pony carts and then proceed to do whatever they do when they find the foxes. One large event that caters to pony play is Camp Crucible in the DC area. I believe it occurs over the Memorial Day weekend. Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 1:19:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster Why would I want to put so much effort into this? What am I supposed to get out of it? And I really think the best way to come back to that is in the old Louis Armstrong response: "If you've got to ask, you ain't ever gonna know." I am not sure if that philosophy holds in all cases. The reasons to engage in the various activities vary from an internal drive to the response seen in the other. Also, sometimes an interest in an activity does not develop until one is able to set aside or somehow process reservations with that activity which arise due to viewing it through a vanilla lens. Cheers, Sea

PeonForHer -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 1:26:31 PM)
Would that sort of foxhunting caper be up your street, Sea? I was thinking it might feel a little like the 'slave auction' idea to you - not enough personal connection involved.

MarcEsadrian -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 1:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster My own perception is that animal roleplay also falls somewhat into this category. There are a fair number of people out there looking for ponygirls and puppygirls -- not so many looking for the male equivalents. In particular, the "puppy" scene seems particularly bleak for a male puppy looking for a Mistress (though it does seem to have a fairly large presence in the gay leather scene). Ponyboys are a bit more acceptable -- though it can be a bit irritating that even female dominants often seem to prefer girls for this. Really? I've found the male submissive equals "dog" to be a far more natural formula to apply than "horse". Considering domestic closeness and comparable size on average between both species, as well as the numerous items at one's local pet store like dog collars, cages, bowls and zappers—all of which all have an immediately recognizable symbolism when turned upon a human—treating a male like a dog seems painfully obvious to me. It doesn't mean thousands of dollars in costume get-ups, however...unless that's your thing.

undergroundsea -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 1:49:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Would that sort of foxhunting caper be up your street, Sea? I was thinking it might feel a little like the 'slave auction' idea to you - not enough personal connection involved. The amount of connection involved is grey and depends on what is occurring. For instance, I might enjoy serving at a tea party even though there is not a personal connection, at least not with every person. I can operate as long as some positive connection or, equally important, potential for connection is there. If I have reached a point where I feel the potential for connection is not there, it is then when I find it difficult. For instance, I might feel initial attraction and interest towards a domme. If time reveals that I do not feel chemistry, then I would find it awkward if this domme purchased me at an auction. It is this scenario--where I have established that there is no connection--that makes the auction awkward. I would not be strongly drawn to the hunt based on the roles I described. The only portion of such an activity that might appeal to me would be the pony aspect. There are two aspects to animal play: (1) objectification and (2) playfulness and escaping to an alternate persona and achieving an altered state. For me, only the first one is relevant. And I would be more comfortable to attend as a pony (or perhaps an attendant) to a person with whom some connection had been established, or where there was a potential for a connection, versus a random assignment (which may or may not work). Cheers, Sea

MarcEsadrian -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 8:42:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda Unconditional devotion, the satisfaction of automatic obedience, a burning - almost desperate - need to meet the expectations of my owner, the sense of "all-is-perfect-with-the-world" that comes from knowing I've pleased her, the need to feel that the boundaries are firm, the gratitude I feel when those boundaries are clarified through training and enforced through discipline, the pure, loving contentment I feel waiting indefinitely in her presence, silent and still, paying absolute attention to her and constantly on the alert for her next command, the simple joy of feeling so psychically connected to her that she doesn't even need to speak her commands, that even in absolute silence the way she shifts her body or tilts her chin tells me exactly what she wants me to do.... these are the elements (many of them quite doglike) that most clearly define my sense of submission, a state of thinking and state of being that I constantly strive for in a relationship, and the closer i can come to attaining it at any given moment, the more "right" I feel in my submission. It's not so much "puppy play" that excites me; it's "puppy headspace" more than anything. The more I think and feel and act as a dog, the more I live as a dog, the more natural i feel. You articulate submission beautifully and purely above. Thank you for not being typical.

Andalusite -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 9:57:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pinnipedster While my own person experience with horses is virtually nil, from stories from other people I know have made it clear that even "tame" horses can definitely be rebellious and difficult to deal with at times -- very different from the puppy mentality. Some dogs can be notoriously difficult, especially ones from certain breeds (ie. beagles, JRTs, etc.), and most horses I've worked with have been very generous and cooperative. In fact, when I do have a submissive, I want a similar attitude to what I want from a horse - for us to be a good team, for them to be focused on my body language and cues and do what I want with mimimal fuss, to feel that sense of their strength being used for my purposes, and they tend to be affectionate without being too exuberant or fawning about it. At any rate, that was just an example, you can do primping (braid hair so it looks like a mane, use a stencil and glitter to put a design on his butt, use various types of brushes and curry combs as sensation toys, or perhaps a strop, etc.), or otherwise do quiet play. The whole point is, leave room for the lady to have some creativity/imagination involved, rather than trying to write a script for her to follow faithfully!

LadyConstanze -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 10:02:16 PM)
Beagles are just not very clever and notoriously disobedient, I think all their brain is in their noses and always occupied sniffing for food... Uhm, exchange the sniffing for food and I think you find that most subs would make good beagles...

allthatjaz -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/14/2009 11:16:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea quote: ORIGINAL: allthatjaz I had a human chicken once! She could lay eggs too Were they hardboiled or regular? ;-) I had a conversation just this weekend with a domme who lives in San Francisco. She spoke of organized fox hunts on a farm house where foxes (latex fox costume) go hide, puppies seek them out and point them out to the dommes, who, if I recall correctly, are being pulled in pony carts and then proceed to do whatever they do when they find the foxes. One large event that caters to pony play is Camp Crucible in the DC area. I believe it occurs over the Memorial Day weekend. Cheers, Sea She had 4 small hollow metal eggs insider her and she was introduced to a few of my Mistress friends and asked to lay an egg. She squated over a little tin pan and clucked as she lay an egg!!! Thinking about it I haven't had fun like that in ages. The fox hunt sounds really cool. I would definitely involve myself in something like that. Presently I have two empty stables and an empty daisy milking shed and a properly built stone kennel, so I should get my act together. Maria

MistressDolly -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/15/2009 5:54:01 AM)
A beagle? lol. Thank goodness there are better dogs to choose from!! Personally, I go for the more intelligent, more powerful, more protective, more affectionate type dogs. And thank goodness there are Trainers out there to help those who can't handle their dogs on their own or get what they want from their dogs! Though I bet with a little bit of training, you can get what you want out of beagle too. lol

allthatjaz -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/15/2009 6:37:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressDolly A beagle? lol. Thank goodness there are better dogs to choose from!! Personally, I go for the more intelligent, more powerful, more protective, more affectionate type dogs. And thank goodness there are Trainers out there to help those who can't handle their dogs on their own or get what they want from their dogs! Though I bet with a little bit of training, you can get what you want out of beagle too. lol Are you talking fetish trainers to help or real dog trainers?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/15/2009 6:58:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressDolly A beagle? lol. Thank goodness there are better dogs to choose from!! Personally, I go for the more intelligent, more powerful, more protective, more affectionate type dogs. And thank goodness there are Trainers out there to help those who can't handle their dogs on their own or get what they want from their dogs! Though I bet with a little bit of training, you can get what you want out of beagle too. lol Friends have a beagle and he's hard work, they are always amazed that I get him to follow orders, they don't get it that he's a pack animal and just needs to know his place, they think it's cruel to give him a bone and then take it off him, hell no, that's just establishing that he is not the alpha in the pack, a dog is happy if he knows his place in the pack, gives him security and stability, giving him mixed signals and then expecting a dog to do as told is what most people don't get. A beagle wouldn't be my choice of dog, great family dogs but so stupid, I'd like to have a dobie again or a weimaraner, I like hunting dogs as they do tend to be quite intelligent and affectionate. Beagles can be trained to a degree but too much hard work, what another dog will get in a matter of a few hours, with a beagle it will take weeks...

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/15/2009 9:30:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian You articulate submission beautifully and purely above. Thank you for not being typical. And thank you. I can think of few higher compliments than "atypical". It's quite appreciated, and it's nice to know someone found some value in that peripatetic essay!

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/15/2009 9:34:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze A beagle wouldn't be my choice of dog, great family dogs but so stupid, I'd like to have a dobie again or a weimaraner, I like hunting dogs as they do tend to be quite intelligent and affectionate. Beagles can be trained to a degree but too much hard work, what another dog will get in a matter of a few hours, with a beagle it will take weeks... I had a beagle when I was a kid, and i found him quite easy to train. As long as I was trying to teach him to race around in circles, barking like an idiot and completely ignoring me. He picked that up in a matter of seconds, and never forgot it.

PeonForHer -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/16/2009 5:26:19 AM)
I'd like to have a dobie again Why? Dobies are as thick as bricks. You can see that from the size of their heads.

pinnipedster -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/17/2009 2:11:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze What I'm saying is that confidence makes attractive, seeing things in a negative light can become a self-fulfilling prophecy. I read through your profile, you say "I'm not this, that and the other..." like you already expect rejection and then you wonder why it happens? Well, that profile was intended to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek: I was trying to make it clear that if you're looking for the perfect sub -- let's say, a financially secure, well-built alpha-male type who is 100% service oriented, has no emotional baggage at all, and a yacht -- no, that's not me. It's much like many of the Dommes explain that no, they aren't supermodels who wear thigh-high leather boots and a corset 24/7, and no, they aren't going to offer to relocate you from the next continent over to support you as a 24/7 live-in slave in the first email -- or, for that matter, ever. However, partly inspired by this, I have greatly revised my profile, as I do periodically, partly as my mood changes, partly just for variety, and partly to see if the new one gets any better results. So, feel free to have a look and see if you like it any better. :)

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Pony/Puppy play (with male subs) (5/17/2009 6:37:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer I'd like to have a dobie again Why? Dobies are as thick as bricks. You can see that from the size of their heads. I don't know much about Dobermans in general, but I did once have a roommate who had one. Let me put it this way - I don't understand how that dog avoided starving to death, because every day when i saw that her food bowl was empty, I was amazed that she had once again somehow managed to outsmart a bowl of dogfood. She was my buddy's 3rd dog; he gave the first two away because they were too smart for him. He finally settled on the Dobie because she was the first dog he ever met who was dumber than he was. What a team they made...

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