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Sundew02 -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 10:15:07 AM)

Laughing, Well hello iwill. Possibly because my thoughts and feelings about my chosen lifestyle so closely mirrors Becketts is why you agree with my statements? Just so you know, it is very hard to piss me off. I may have red hair, but I enjoy intelligent debade, disagreeing with me doesn't incur my wrath. So you would have to change from being smart and thoughtful to reach the pissed off Domme level. Take care, Tess



MrThorns -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 10:18:44 AM)

I come from the school of thought that a dominant does not need a submissive to be dominant...a submissive does not need a dominant to be submissive.

That said, I dont put greater value on my dominance or her submission. The nice thing about the power exchange is that for the dynamic to exist, both roles need to exist. The levels of dominance or submission seem to vary on a day by day, minute by minute schedule. Some days, she may come home from work...feeling very non-submissive, very aggressive, bitchy, cranky, bratty, arrogant...and she relys on me and my dominance to bring her back to where she wants to be...and where I desire her to be. Other days, maybe I'm just really strung out, worried about work, finances, etc, feeling anything but dominant...and her kneeling quietly by my feet...bringing me my drink...sliding easily into protocols...her actions may bring me out of my "funk". Its a very fluid relationship....ebb and flow. So I dont value one aspect over another. To me, they are both equally essential.

~Thorns



MrThorns -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 10:24:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jillwfsub4blkdom

Topcat,
lol You sure this thread won't get pulled too.[:D] Just joking. i think my submission means more.


I kinda feel honored for seeing my thread get moved...lost a cherry there. Sorry to get off topic. We return you to your regularily scheduled program...already in progress...

~Thorns



topcat -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 4:37:50 PM)

quote:

If her submission is really more important to you than your dominance, you are on some rather thin ice, I think. It suggests that you would sacrifice the latter to obtain the former. In the process, you may be left with neither. I see men do it all the time. Just about the time they've negotiated any semblance of dominance away, the slave loses faith and bolts anyway. The slave that you must have is the one that you absolutely will not be able to master.


M. Leonidas-

Excellent point. In fact, I've lived that a few times. thanks for the thoughts

Stay warm,
Lawrence



topcat -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 4:40:09 PM)

quote:

Without submission to Dominance you'll simply be left with a endless barrage of in-fighting. The Dominant person continually tries to lead the other who is continously fighting back against that lead.


My freckled friend-

Been there, done that, wrote the book, wearing the tee-shirt<g>.

Still believing, hard as I can-

Stay warm,
Lawrence



Sinergy -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 6:51:47 PM)

quote:

I'm wondering if the "sinergistic confluence" involves "plaid" cheerleading outfits? How's the thumb?


a) Everything involves cheerleading outfits in my sick little mind.

b) Cast off on Tuesday (yay) and then 4 months in a removable splint. (boo)

Sinergy



LadyBeckett -> RE: good question! (8/19/2004 7:16:46 PM)

Clan plaid clad cheerleaders painting the house...we've got to have pictures, Sinergy! [;)]



Krow -> RE: good question! (8/23/2004 10:27:57 AM)

For those of us that can remember the use of the yen-yang as an alternate symbol of this lifestyle, there is a balance that must be maintained in order to have that exchange or power to maintain a relationship. Both parts are equaly important for you cannot have one without the other. How is she submissive to your dominance? or how are you dominant without her subission? It's impossible there is always that balance.
oohh!! that was almost mystical.
Play safe,
Krow



LadyAngelika -> RE: good question! (8/23/2004 8:27:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Hello,

Well, as the voice of dissent, I would have to say from my perspective that it is a synergistic confluence and neither means more to me than the other.

Yay, Taoist ambiguity!

Sinergy


Don't you think the most moronic post would be to say "dido".

Well... I'm going out on a limb here... DIDO!

- LA



cheeba0228 -> RE: good question! (8/24/2004 7:29:47 PM)

Nice topic. Although i must say it left me pondering it for hours. I've thought about it and even talked about it with others to get their input and here's what I've come up with. Whats the difference. I mean what kind of Dom am I if I have no Sub? A king without a country so to speak. The two are so intertwined in each other that to unravel them would be to destroy the very nature of what I believe D/s to be. No thanks thats a headace for another day. So in ending I humbly decline to separate the two. I may be wrong but I like to live in my own little world on a few things in life.



MaitresseEden -> RE: good question! (8/27/2004 11:51:04 AM)

The two (dominance and submission) have a symbiotic realtionship in which both are interdependent upon each other. If one does not submit there is nothing to dominant, and if one is not dominant than nothing submits. (Of course this is speaking within the realm of consentual activites, without content the aforementioned actions could be construed as violence)

I prefer to think of d/s as symbiotic non-egalatarianism.

Ms.Eden



MistressDREAD -> RE: good question! (8/28/2004 6:19:44 PM)

An Opinion from a
Dominant Woman on Power
good question!

I think how You
use Your Power
in Lifestyles
makes for how You
look at what
positions plays
what part in Your
scimantics in
Living it. For
My opinion on
this I'll address
generically the
role of Dominant
and submissive
to cover all
aspects of people
in any part of a
Alternate Lifestyle
whom are on oppisite
sides of the coin.

If the world hates you as sub, keep in mind that
it hated Me first as Domme. If you belonged to the
lifestyle, it would love you as its own. As it
is, you do not belong to the world but to each other,
but I have chosen you out of the world to be a ying
to My yang. That is why the world hates you and I.
Our combined strenths become Power never conquered.

Before I make comment
and look at what it
means to submit to Me,
what it looks like,
how it's lived out,
I need to deal with an
objection. I have to
clear away the brush
so that I can see the
path. And here it is..
Doesn't submission
imply inferiority?
That I think is
what many question
when submission
and Dominance are
questioned for thier
relavance by the
nieve and vanilla
whom look from the
outside in. If role
calls a submissive
to submit to their
Dominant, doesn’t
that mean Dominant
views them as somehow
less than their
Dominance, less in
their Power? Less
capable, less
intelligent, less
valuable, less of
a person? A difference
in roles does not
suggest a difference
in worth or
importance of self.
They are equal in
dignity, equal in value,
and equal in the
likeness of the
roles that they
bear. Because
dignity and worth
don't come from
Our position in a
human hierarchy,
whether it's the
home hierarchy,
or the lifestyle
hierarchy, or some
other social, or
political, or
economic hierarchy.
Our dignity, worth
and Power come from
Our identity as
beings made to
serve and be
served in the
Positions that
best suit Our
Personalities and
Strenths equally
for the common good
and desires quenched
of All in equal give and
take. JMO



MistressKiss -> RE: good question! (8/29/2004 7:29:18 AM)

I agree with most that the two are equally important...what is one without the other? However, if two small words had been added to the question, "which is more important TO YOU" --- then I would suggest that Dominants might choose her submission as most important and submissives might choose his Dominance...simply because it is what each person craves from the other. Just my opinion....



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