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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 4:26:11 AM   
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Also -- has the OP considered since someone has to stay home with the kid, maybe HE can stay home with the baby and SHE go find a job? I mean it may not be ideal but if her husband can't hold a job and she believes she would be much better at it, why doesn't she let him stay home with the baby (since she says SHE must) and she go out and get the job she can maintain better than he can?

Yeah its not easy. Maybe its time to stop focusing so much on your depression because i hate to say it but it seems to be an excuse? Yeah i know people are going to freak because i said such a thing but it seriously sounds like she is using that as a crutch. I know MANY people who state they have depression and still go out and function and maintain jobs etc becaue they HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. And i also don't agree with many people advocating her getting on assistance. Sorry but you have 2 kids who are young, who have the ability to work. Sounds to me like they simply don't want to make sacrifices. I don't believe them getting on assistance is the answer, i believe them growing up would be a good idea.

I am not all that sympathetic with their plight -- why? Because i have known women and Men who have had NO SUPPORT system from any of their family (much less one who offers a room to live and probably food etc) who have sacrificed and did everything possible to move themselves up from the situation they have found themselves in, have scrapped and scrimped etc. And it sounds to me that this OP is simply not willing to sacrifice but instead blame her husband. IF she thinks she can do it on her own, she should then be able to do it while married in my opinion.

When he is home -- take the baby, pluck it on his lap and let HIM deal with his child. You could work nights while he works days and visaversa. And that way you may not need a babysitter. Gas Stations usually are open all day as are many grocery stores and drug stores, some gyms are also. You live in a house of how many people and none of them would be willing to let you borrow their car at night to work or a ride? Have you ASKED the people you live with for their assistance -- not in giving you money but advice or car assistance somehow etc? How does your husband get to work? Having such a low if not no income would probably allow you educational assistance also, have you thought about taking some online classes or college classes, many colleges have day cares and sometimes its income based or free.

Does all of this sound like fun -- nope, but there are times you have to do what you have to do. You have a child to think about. You can play the blame game all you want but in the end, its not going to FIX the issues.

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 12:31:49 PM   
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hi every one i am silverwolfes husband and have just read every thing you all said about my wifes post and thank you all iv had a bad filling for the last few months
i started looking for things out of place. iv been looking for a job for the past 4 months unable to find one ill be going into the airforce as soon as i meet their requirements
im staying at a friends house so i can go to work right now to save up and get a car and yes i know i have many problems with every thing from money to memory but i did not know it was as bad as i see it is now its hard for me to change i dont know how my wife will fill about me makeing an acct on this site just to see about what she has been telling people but it is hard for us to talk to one anuther i love my wife and little girl so much i really hope she is not cheating on me iv been worryed about that a lot of late when you read this chelle come talk to me or call over here at parhams house i love you

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 1:00:24 PM   
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If the Airforce doesn't want you.......keep trying. Navy, Army, whatever. But get off your dead ass and start acting like a man instead of a lazy, spoilt child.

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 1:17:44 PM   
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You may not consider yourself to be a person that has suffered domestic abuse, but you are.


Sorry, but that is complete bullshit. Arguing with your spouse about finances and sex is not domestic abuse. A ne'er do well husband is not an abuser. You really cheapen what actual abuse victims go through when you say things like this.


I disagree. Threatening abandonment of her and the baby if she gets treatment of an illness is abusive. The longer he can keep her severely depressed, the longer she's trapped with him. Decent people want their partners to be happy and well, not the opposite.

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 1:25:50 PM   
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for your info i would never abandon my little girl and my wife hasbeen depressed for longer than ive known her iv tryed to help her see the good in things over and over  now im trying to do whats right by my little girl and i hope her mother stays with me i love them both but if my wife disides to leave me thats her choice not mine but i hope it never comes to that

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 2:30:31 PM   
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Also -- has the OP considered since someone has to stay home with the kid, maybe HE can stay home with the baby and SHE go find a job? I mean it may not be ideal but if her husband can't hold a job and she believes she would be much better at it, why doesn't she let him stay home with the baby (since she says SHE must) and she go out and get the job she can maintain better than he can?

Yeah its not easy. Maybe its time to stop focusing so much on your depression because i hate to say it but it seems to be an excuse? Yeah i know people are going to freak because i said such a thing but it seriously sounds like she is using that as a crutch. I know MANY people who state they have depression and still go out and function and maintain jobs etc becaue they HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE. And i also don't agree with many people advocating her getting on assistance. Sorry but you have 2 kids who are young, who have the ability to work. Sounds to me like they simply don't want to make sacrifices. I don't believe them getting on assistance is the answer, i believe them growing up would be a good idea.

I am not all that sympathetic with their plight -- why? Because i have known women and Men who have had NO SUPPORT system from any of their family (much less one who offers a room to live and probably food etc) who have sacrificed and did everything possible to move themselves up from the situation they have found themselves in, have scrapped and scrimped etc. And it sounds to me that this OP is simply not willing to sacrifice but instead blame her husband. IF she thinks she can do it on her own, she should then be able to do it while married in my opinion.

When he is home -- take the baby, pluck it on his lap and let HIM deal with his child. You could work nights while he works days and visaversa. And that way you may not need a babysitter. Gas Stations usually are open all day as are many grocery stores and drug stores, some gyms are also. You live in a house of how many people and none of them would be willing to let you borrow their car at night to work or a ride? Have you ASKED the people you live with for their assistance -- not in giving you money but advice or car assistance somehow etc? How does your husband get to work? Having such a low if not no income would probably allow you educational assistance also, have you thought about taking some online classes or college classes, many colleges have day cares and sometimes its income based or free.

Does all of this sound like fun -- nope, but there are times you have to do what you have to do. You have a child to think about. You can play the blame game all you want but in the end, its not going to FIX the issues.

angel


Angel,

You make wonderful points!  I agree with you about nearly everything, except the assistance issue.  Assistance can be as minimal as WIC to provide nutritious food for the baby and medical insurance (which OP and child need) to helping them find get into housing they can afford with their income.  Security is the typical problem most people have in trying to find housing.  I'm not going to say that people don't use Welfare as a crutch, because many do.  Many also fraudulently collect and rob the system of moneys that others could use.  But the people at Social Services will help guide her to affordable housing, healthcare and nutrition.

I do believe that there are a lot of excuses being tossed about and a lot of "I can't because".  While the situation coupled with the depression creates a cycle where you are depressed about your situation, the situation gets worse, the depression worsens and on and on, breaking the state of inertia is the first step to improving all of it.  One of the biggest things Social Services can help with is subsidized child care.  For families that lack the education to obtain good paying jobs or are in an area where good paying jobs are scarce (which is pretty much everywhere these days), the cost of child care can outweigh the money that is made.  On the other side of that, you made the excellent point that HE can care for the child as well.  With a houseful of that many people, if they are all so horrible, it isn't a good environment for the child to begin with and affordable child care is best for the child. 

At some point, the compassion, empathy and/or pity of others does nothing.  The OP needs to get up, grow up and do what's necessary.

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 3:28:51 PM   
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If the Airforce doesn't want you.......keep trying. Navy, Army, whatever. But get off your dead ass and start acting like a man instead of a lazy, spoilt child.




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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 6:36:48 PM   
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Seconded.  Well said.

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/14/2009 9:28:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

quote:

ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou

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You may not consider yourself to be a person that has suffered domestic abuse, but you are.


Sorry, but that is complete bullshit. Arguing with your spouse about finances and sex is not domestic abuse. A ne'er do well husband is not an abuser. You really cheapen what actual abuse victims go through when you say things like this.


I disagree. Threatening abandonment of her and the baby if she gets treatment of an illness is abusive. The longer he can keep her severely depressed, the longer she's trapped with him. Decent people want their partners to be happy and well, not the opposite.


Wait, when did he do that? I've been looking for it in her posts. I haven't seen it though. I'm assuming this is a case of net refrigerator blindness on my part?

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for your info i would never abandon my little girl and my wife hasbeen depressed for longer than ive known her iv tryed to help her see the good in things over and over  now im trying to do whats right by my little girl and i hope her mother stays with me i love them both but if my wife disides to leave me thats her choice not mine but i hope it never comes to that


You know already from talking to her what you have to do man. Listen to her concerns, and make the necessary adjustments. Communicate with each other. Now if there happens to be any clinical psych training schools, or counseling schools nearby, they generally hold an open clinic on a sliding scale. Depending on your income it may be free, it may be like 5$. I suggest you go with her if she feels she needs your support. If she's fighting depression, and you love her. You need to be there.


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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/16/2009 6:24:26 AM   
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what i meant to say was me and my wife have a difference of opinion as to what is best for us such as where we should live what jobs i should take even down to what kind of food to buy well really as far as food goes anything that she dose not like to eat i cant buy for me and our little girl as far as where to live we don't trust each others family enough to live with them im trying to make it so we don't have to live with ether but its had to think about planing ahead when the one person i love most someone is trying to take from me im not tryhing to say i dont have problems i just dont like to plan of what might be i like what i know i can do what i know can happen not what i want to happen i want to win the lotto but i plan to get a job when i need money not spend all i have to buy lotto ticets    

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/16/2009 6:26:54 AM   
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i want to win the lotto but i plan to get a job when i need money not spend all i have to buy lotto ticets
hate to tell you this hon...with a wife and child to support..you need the money NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/16/2009 6:37:15 AM   
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Hello SilverWolfe
First let me say that i am sorry that you are going through this, but secondly look at this as an opportunity for your growth. I know harder said then done. Your point of destination is right now in the present. Looking back at should's and coulds' will only frustrate you. Take small steps that will benifit you. Perhaps some career counseling, looking into grants etc to go to a vocational or regular college. Having a 1 year old is difficult. It is a blessing yet, sometimes our hormones still are wild and we feel overwhelmed. Stop beating yourself up for decisions already made, but start with small steps just for today.

best of luck to you
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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/16/2009 6:45:56 AM   
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Hello.

1. ADD is a scam.  Do not fall for it.
2.  there will be jobs in the military.  we will have another war.  that is a certainty.   some of the talk of NAU is so Mexicans can do the mil and pay into Soc Sec.

3. the dude isn't going to change diapers.   men somehow think that they are exempt from this chore.  (don't throw eggs at me. In my observations in life- I seldom see a male do diapers, I am not saying it is right- just the way it is)

4. beggars cant be choosers.  Sorry.  But for the moment she must have a roof.  the homeless shelters are not the best place to be.

5. she needs outside contact.  other adults.  even to chat.  I am against the pill for everything DR thing, see ADD.

6. Get on the list for section 8. MOVE to a county where the list is shortest.  I was on the program some years ago and it is a good one. But you HAVE to  be assertive.  With any of the programs you HAVE to pound the pavement.

7. freecycle is a site where you can get stuff to furnish the new place.

8. no man or woman is going to ????, be ok with YOU first, then the partner is bonus. It can never ever ever work to view the mate as the reason to live.  The answer to life.  You must be ok with YOU.   (and vice versa)

9. men can be flat out dumb.   You let him slide on basic chores and such.  You are his new momma.  Mommas boys are the pitts.  they might be sexy and nice and all that...but they seem to think the lady is to carry all the weight and they simply show up.   Jennny is dating a mommas boy.   It drives me crazy.   This type of man seldom grows out of it.  The closer he gets the 30 the more likely that he will never improve.

10.  you cant change a mate.   anyone who thinks they can is wrong.
nor can you force, co-erce a person to truly love you.

11.  come out of your shell.  You are a lovely lady and good things are in store for you.   It is sorta like a puzzle- put the peices together and you will improve your lot in life.

Big HUGS from myself and from all of us here in casual banter!!!    :-)





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RE: I don't know what to do. Any suggestions? - 5/16/2009 5:07:24 PM   
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ok i was talking in the past tense when i said that i do have a job right now just got off work infact but when i needed money i did not try to plan or count on something that i did not know if it would work i did what i know work i got a job


and once more thanx for all the advice and positive input finding this site has really opened my eyes

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