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BKSir -> RE: I found It! I found it!! Where healthcare is a "Right" in the US... (5/13/2009 5:43:40 PM)
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
No. I can't. My insurance is an emploment benefit.
Change jobs.
Firm
Is that really the best you can do in defense of your claim?
Defense? Claim?
Firm
So, it's wrong for the government to tell us when/if we can see the doctor, which I sincerely doubt would be the case. I know for a fact, in places with socialized medicine such as canada and sweden, that if we can see the doctor is "Do you feel like you need a doctor? Then go.", and when is "Go now. That's why the hospitals and clinics are there.". And don't give me the 3 months plus wait bull crap. The most I ever waited when I was in Canada was about 2 hours in the waiting room, and it wasn't an emergency, so whatever. The pet's grandma had a dislocated shoulder. Her wait for surgery was *gasp* "We'll schedule you for tomorrow."
But, as I was saying, it's wrong for the government to say that, but it's okay for the insurance companies, and even worse, the HMO's to say "Oh, sure, you're paying 1/2 or more of your income to this policy, but, we don't cover anything, or at least not that, because we decided not to." And it's okay for you to say "Just switch jobs for a better plan."? Switch jobs to what, right now, pray tell? Are YOU hiring? I hope so. No one else is.
Your saying to just switch jobs to get better benefits is now you attempting to be in charge of how someone gets health care. You've just become the government, Firm. Only without actually having the ability to provide any health care.
Of course, with the insurence plans and HMO's now, you can certainly opt to pay for your own treatment out of pocket, but again, doesn't that completely defeat the purpose of paying for insurence?
I sat down with my grandmother at one point, just out of curiousity, and did the math. Comparing the taxes that are negligibly higher in a place such as Canada, and what she was paying with premiums and co-pays, just on medicine alone, and she was healthy as a horse for the most part, she would have been saving about $3,500 per year, if she wasn't here in the U.S. JUST on medicine.
That's just one little old lady. That $3,500 right there can be pumped right back directly into the economy.
There's how many people in the U.S. now, that can't afford insurence etc? Now, let's look at that number and think of all of them that can't afford to take time off of work when they get sick, much less see a doctor. Sick workers cut productivity, increasing necessary man-hours. They also come in contact with other workers and clientelle, spreading it, causing them to get sick, lowering productivity and raising man-hour costs, losing the companies they work for money, which loses, of course, tax revinue as well. Of course, there are kids getting sick, and we all know how fast something can spread in a school. Well, someone has to stay home with little Timmy and Suzie when they get sick too. More lost revinue and lost expendable income.
I don't know the exact figures, they would be nearly impossible to pin down. But, I'm pretty sure that cost is a LOT more than the cost of a socialized and regulated health care system that could get the common Joe taken care of and back to work two to three times faster than with no insurence.
Your solution, switch jobs? Yes, they should all just switch jobs. All 47 MILLION+ uninsured americans . That's not even mentioning the 25 MILLION+ underinsured. I'm sure there's a miracle company out there somewhere that has great benefits and is currently seeking to hire 75 million people. (Business Week, June, 2008) That's a paltry number. It's only the combined populations of New York State, California, Pennsylvania and Oregon. Yep, that's a brilliant idea there. Just switch jobs.
The lost revinue from that number of people
How about a much easier solution, that works just as well? Don't get sick! Yep, that damned socialized health care. It's ruined Canada and Sweden and a host of other countries I tell ya! Them with their healthy workforce and stable economy. God knows we don't want to be like Sweden and have a budget surpluss that grows every year again, despite free education and health care and one of the highest standards of living in the world. That would be horrible and unpatriotic.
Yeah, I agree, those 75 million people should all just switch jobs...
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