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ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 7:24:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I don't think he's quite as bright as Bush, and Barack Obama may well be the dumbest president we've ever seen. At least, that's what the evidence would suggest. The fact that he uses a teleprompter, the fact that he didn't kick that wretch Wright overboard sooner, and the fact that he's made a few mistakes in judgment as he settles into office are all you need to declare him the dumbest president in history? Boy, when there's something you really want to find a reason to believe, it doesn't take much at all to convince you, does it? Or have you got more than that?

DarkSteven -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 7:29:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity I don't think he's quite as bright as Bush, and Barack Obama may well be the dumbest president we've ever seen. At least, that's what the evidence would suggest. Um, he's reassessed the Afghanistan/Pakistan situation and removed someone ineffectual. He's acted perfectly in dealing with the Somali pirates. He DID head up the Harvard Law Review, not a place for dummies, and he's created from nothing the most effective political campaign ever seen. I assume this is not the evidence you're referring to?

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 7:31:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity When, if ever, is Barack Obama going to release his school records? All his followers constantly harp that the man is brilliant, but I have seen absolutely nothing backing these claims up. Look at this current example... his gut reaction was obviously wrong, and it was the same with the decision to not then to then to not prosecute anyone for "torture". Ever seen video of him struggling without his teleprompter? I have. And there's the Rev. Wright thing, why hang out with a racist preacher for twenty years. I don't think he's quite as bright as Bush, and Barack Obama may well be the dumbest president we've ever seen. At least, that's what the evidence would suggest. quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Come now Rich,we have taken a giant leap as a nation if intelligence in the Oval Office is something to be desired...in the case of the President and in his advisors. The bar was set so damm low these last 8 years. You have got to be kidding me.Please put forth any evidence that would suggest in any way this man "may well be the dumbest President we've ever seen". Please make your case....no matter how flimsy.

niggajoe -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 7:37:07 PM)
Dumbest Presidetg ever? Are you deranged? Like his politics or not, there is no rational basis to question his intellect. You don't get into Harvard Law without being among the smartest people in this country and you don't become President of the Law Review without having some significant qualifications. So please don't allow your partisonism or racism cloud your logic. Also, please don't ompare him to the previous President who had a hard time mastering the basics of the English language.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 7:51:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic The problem with that is that President Obama keeps getting things right the second time. At some point, we are all going to be stuck with his first instinct, instead of what comes out after the aides and staffers dry behind his ears, and explain the facts of life to him. It troubles me too, Rich. I think he's made more missteps than I was hoping to see from him, but at this point I'm not ready to pass judgment on him for it. For several reasons - first of all, it's no worse than I would expect from any rookie in his first few months in office (and a lot better than Clinton's first few months), and I have to make allowances for the fact that no president in my lifetime has stepped into a more dire situation, and had more pressure on him to succeed immediately, than he has; second, he's still getting the vast majority of things right on the first try, despite the gaffes; and third, I just find it an incredible relief to have someone in office who - when he makes an error - is bright enough to figure out he picked the wrong path, and brave enough to admit it and reverse course. It's been a few years since I've seen a president who had that quality, and it's quite refreshing. But having said all that, I'm hoping that as he gets more settled in over the next couple of months, we'll start to see fewer of these do-overs. Right now, the sum total of his decisionmaking has been substantially on the money, but I agree there's still room for improvement as he gains some more experience.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 8:02:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity That article left out one small detail, rml... In reversal, Obama rules out release of detainee photos What detail did it leave out? It seems both articles said basically the same thing.

Sanity -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/13/2009 8:20:30 PM)
He was elected president of the Harvard Law review, which means very little - and there are no records of anything that he did while he was there. It can be debated whether what he's done militarily (so far) were his decisions, or whether he did what his handlers told him to do. The campaign had several very serious errors which were ignored by the mainstream press, Obama even joked that they all voted for him... which really, was that even a joke? I don't mean to be antagonistic, but really - I question whether Jesus was the son of God, I would need to see proof of that before I believed, and similarly I know that there is absolutely no proof anywhere that Obama is even of average intelligence. I guess you just have to go on faith that his brilliance is really there, because so far, it hasn't been making itself apparent. quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Um, he's reassessed the Afghanistan/Pakistan situation and removed someone ineffectual. He's acted perfectly in dealing with the Somali pirates. He DID head up the Harvard Law Review, not a place for dummies, and he's created from nothing the most effective political campaign ever seen. I assume this is not the evidence you're referring to?

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 2:37:11 AM)
This guy flip flops more than Kerry & Hillary combined.

janiebelle -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 5:07:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity When, if ever, is Barack Obama going to release his school records? All his followers constantly harp that the man is brilliant, but I have seen absolutely nothing backing these claims up. Look at this current example... his gut reaction was obviously wrong, and it was the same with the decision to not then to then to not prosecute anyone for "torture". Ever seen video of him struggling without his teleprompter? I have. And there's the Rev. Wright thing, why hang out with a racist preacher for twenty years. I don't think he's quite as bright as Bush, and Barack Obama may well be the dumbest president we've ever seen. At least, that's what the evidence would suggest. heck, did anyone ever see the birth cetificate? j

janiebelle -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 5:12:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MarsBonfire Ah... but now we know for sure that such photos exist, don't we? They'll sit there... unreleased. Let the pressure build. Wait. Just wait. As Johnny Depp said, as Captain Jack Sparrow... "You've got to find the opportune moment, Mate..." Like maybe during a high profile war crimes trial... when they'll be "accidentally leaked" to the press? In all fairness, NO we don't know if they exist. But if indeed they do exist, we then don't know if they weren't released because they were so horrific, or not horrific enough. Keeping the cat in the bag often turns the cat into the mountain lion in peoples' nightmares. j edit for typo

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 5:55:52 AM)
~FR~ I am going to comment on just the OP, because many of you are all over the fucking place and no where close to topic. What good can the photos do if released? Will they assist in anything being done, that is beneficial? Some of the news stories mention giving the US a bad image at a time when Obama is trying to improve that. I can agree with that. Right now there are issues going on with recruitment into the militant groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan, so those photos would be used to try and recruit more. If a commission is formed, maybe a limited release for just the members to view could be done if it is actually needed. As far as all the rest of the crap, you folks (if you are not doing it then you are not part of you folks) really need to stop with the partisan bullshit that seems to turn good topics and discussions into schoolyard bickering.

Sanity -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 6:19:10 AM)
Hey Orion - you're in the Politics section. If you're going to come here to post you should expect some partisanship. Complaining about it will probably just bring a few laughs... And why does your position have to be so extreme. Why do you have to be so vehemently opposed to partisanship. Why can't you be more like everybody else???

Owner59 -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 7:52:17 AM)
What`s dumber than stranding half our army in the middle of Arabia? What`s dumber than blowing 600 billion of our dollars on nothing?! What`s been deadlier than stranding half our army in the middle of Arabia? What`s dumber that stranding half our army in the middle of a 130 degree dessert, without enough water?

thishereboi -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 7:58:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: niggajoe Dumbest Presidetg ever? Are you deranged? Like his politics or not, there is no rational basis to question his intellect. You don't get into Harvard Law without being among the smartest people in this country and you don't become President of the Law Review without having some significant qualifications. So please don't allow your partisonism or racism cloud your logic. Also, please don't ompare him to the previous President who had a hard time mastering the basics of the English language. Let me get this straight...they are deranged because they suggested Obama wasn't intelligent and he went to Harvard so he must have some intelligence. Yet you claim Bush had a hard time mastering english and he graduated from Yale. I guess that means you are as deranged as the poster you were replying to.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 8:27:08 AM)
He got into Yale because daddy and granddaddy went there. With his prep school grades his application would have been in the shredder two minutes after the admissions board was done laughing at it if his last name wasn't Bush.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 8:32:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf What good can the photos do if released? Will they assist in anything being done, that is beneficial? Some of the news stories mention giving the US a bad image at a time when Obama is trying to improve that. I can agree with that. Right now there are issues going on with recruitment into the militant groups in Afghanistan and Pakistan, so those photos would be used to try and recruit more. If a commission is formed, maybe a limited release for just the members to view could be done if it is actually needed. That is my major problem with this. I understand the concerns, but aren't we just conceding that we fear retaliation so much that we can't afford to take the risk?

Sanity -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 12:06:39 PM)
Let me guess. That's just your opinion too. [sm=lol.gif] Fact is, Bush outscored John Kerry at Yale. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife He got into Yale because daddy and granddaddy went there. With his prep school grades his application would have been in the shredder two minutes after the admissions board was done laughing at it if his last name wasn't Bush.

rulemylife -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 12:27:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Let me guess. That's just your opinion too. [sm=lol.gif] Fact is, Bush outscored John Kerry at Yale. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife He got into Yale because daddy and granddaddy went there. With his prep school grades his application would have been in the shredder two minutes after the admissions board was done laughing at it if his last name wasn't Bush. Nope, not an opinion or an assumption. Bush's grades at prep school were equally as bad, by his own admission. I'll find a link if you question that. The point remains that C students do not get into Yale unless they are the offspring of wealthy and influential people, which by the same token ends up leaving out more deserving students with better grades and more impressive accomplishments. Affirmative action for the wealthy.

janiebelle -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 2:18:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: niggajoe Dumbest Presidetg ever? Are you deranged? Like his politics or not, there is no rational basis to question his intellect. You don't get into Harvard Law without being among the smartest people in this country and you don't become President of the Law Review without having some significant qualifications. So please don't allow your partisonism or racism cloud your logic. Also, please don't ompare him to the previous President who had a hard time mastering the basics of the English language. I am an unabashed WN, but let me assure you that my issues with the current administration have nothing to do with the bloodline of the Presidetg [sic]. So far, he has fumbled the ball several times, flip flopped positions too many times to count, and done a dismal job of living up to the promised HOPE and CHANGE. Does that make him worse than W? No. Better? No. Just different. Guess that's the CHANGE. j

OrionTheWolf -> RE: Obama seeks to block release of abuse photos‎ (5/14/2009 8:06:37 PM)
I do not believe that it is a fear of retaliation, just a fact that the photos will really serve no good use if they have reports to support what occured. If it adds any amount of difficulty to the issues the admin faces, then there is no reason to release them. If they are needed for a truth commision or legal proceedings, it can be done in a closed venue without being released. quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife That is my major problem with this. I understand the concerns, but aren't we just conceding that we fear retaliation so much that we can't afford to take the risk?

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