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DemonKia -> Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:12:36 PM)

All are legit approaches, a matter of personal style as much as anything else . ... . Tho' I suspect that in BDSM there might be patterns .... .

Do tops prefer to chase their desired ones, or do they prefer to be chased by eager bottoms?

Does it break out along D/s / M/s lines?

& let's hear from you mixed-model types (ie, switches & others who don't specifically identify with the D/s & M/s dynamics) -- how do you figure out when to chase or be chased?

To get to 'being still together' is some chasing necessary?

& how did you figure out what works for you?

Is there some other way?

Do I need to put in all the stuff about the extreme form of the chase is getting into stalking territory, or that chase is meant in a rather more metaphorical sense? I'm hoping we're getting to know each other a little better than that, but I'll come back & answer questions, including mine own . ...

I'm posting this, here in General, cuz I'm 'hearing' a lot of assumptions on various sides of the divides about who should hit on who & how, & so this is a small attempt to clarify . . ...

Thanks for your contributions!




LadyPact -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:19:18 PM)

I, for one, do prefer to be pursued.  If a sub is quiet and reserved, it can be hard to be noticed.  I'm quite used to getting attention, so it's become almost a requirement.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:22:42 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DemonKia

All are legit approaches, a matter of personal style as much as anything else . ... . Tho' I suspect that in BDSM there might be patterns .... .

Do tops prefer to chase their desired ones, or do they prefer to be chased by eager bottoms?

Does it break out along D/s / M/s lines?

& let's hear from you mixed-model types (ie, switches & others who don't specifically identify with the D/s & M/s dynamics) -- how do you figure out when to chase or be chased?

To get to 'being still together' is some chasing necessary?

& how did you figure out what works for you?

Is there some other way?

Do I need to put in all the stuff about the extreme form of the chase is getting into stalking territory, or that chase is meant in a rather more metaphorical sense? I'm hoping we're getting to know each other a little better than that, but I'll come back & answer questions, including mine own . ...

I'm posting this, here in General, cuz I'm 'hearing' a lot of assumptions on various sides of the divides about who should hit on who & how, & so this is a small attempt to clarify . . ...

Thanks for your contributions!


I wrote about this in My journal yesterday. Interesting question, this, if I'm honest I'd like to be chased lol, but I don't know if Dommes/Doms are meant to do the chasing or the subs/slaves. If the D's chase that might be seen as "undomly" but if  We dont can We be sure the s types will? I just think that the best You can do is simply been seen in the lifestyle and from there, have a reason to interact and maybe something more substantial will be created.




porcelaine -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:39:41 PM)

i prefer for a man to show interest. if he is out the gates running professing his dominance and things along those lines i'm immediately put off. i prefer to engage the person first to see what he's like before i consider if an exchange is possible. a man that lacks impatience and a true understanding of what cadence entails probably won't appeal to me anyway.

porcelaine




tiinkerbell -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:41:26 PM)

Obviously, I can not answer for anyone else with the exception of myself. I, generally, would not have inititated contact with someone, it's just the way I am. With that said though; when someone contacts me, for whatever reason; I tend to become very talkative, open, flirty to a point...and in one particular case, yes, I chased him [:)] ( I thought I was being subtle about it, but from what he said, it was pretty obvious from the first letter and phone call between us ) .

So I guess, I am the kind who prefers the first contact come from someone else but, once it's made, I tend to go full steam ahead [8D]




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:50:21 PM)

I think it breaks down on Introvert/Extrovert lines, rather than M-D/s lines. I am an introvert. Once you get me talking, I have no problem holding my own in a conversation, but I won't initiate a conversation. I also tend not to be the one to resurrect a dying conversation (or relationship). Because I am internally driven, I do pretty well in my own sphere unless someone takes the effort to entice me out of my own head.

Of course, if they aren't careful about the bait they drag in front of my lair, they're liable to get their heads bitten off.... but still... no pain, no gain, eh?

Dame Calla




Kat713 -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 12:52:27 PM)

I am not too in touch with my Dominant side, but I know I've done a lot of fantasizing about submissive desires hehe. And I would love to be somewhat pursued by a Dom IF I am interested. And as far as extreme forms of chasing (stalking and such) go..... [;)] 




CreativeDominant -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 1:28:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DemonKia

All are legit approaches, a matter of personal style as much as anything else . ... . Tho' I suspect that in BDSM there might be patterns .... .

Do tops prefer to chase their desired ones, or do they prefer to be chased by eager bottoms?
I think you would get a mix of answers here although I've taken note that many female submissives and dominants have stated that they do not/will not chase.

quote:

Does it break out along D/s / M/s lines?
Returning to my answer above, it seems to break out along the "old" vanilla lines, interestingly enough.  From what I've read on the boards, the females...whether dominant or submissive...prefer to be pursued by the males....submissive or dominant. 
It's an interesting conundrum...once the submissive is with a dominant, he/she serves or caters to the dominant.  They are usually in the middle of striving to keep the dominant happy.  But up until it gets to that point, the female...no matter what she identifies as...is the director of the chase, the prize.  The male...no matter what he identifies as...is the chasee, the follower of the female indicators.  Which, for the dominant males, winds up with them in an almost-submissive role and for the submissive females ends up with them in an almost-dominant role.

quote:

& let's hear from you mixed-model types (ie, switches & others who don't specifically identify with the D/s & M/s dynamics) -- how do you figure out when to chase or be chased?

To get to 'being still together' is some chasing necessary?

& how did you figure out what works for you?
I was brought up during a time when the man did the asking out.  Even after he'd done so and they'd been on several dates, until they were going steady it was still up to him to call.  I find it ironic that for many, despite the "freedom" gained by choosing to lead this life, the old rule of "male chases female" still applying.  Now, many will say that this is partially due to the embrace of "traditional ways" with the twist of D/s and, possibly, BDSM.  But...how do you explain it that way for the femdominant/male submissive entanglements?  There's a case where the female has certainly gone against the "traditional" role.  Perhaps though, that IS the twist in their dynamic...the twist of the traditional is to have traditional ways BUT with the unexpected gender in each role?
For me, I will chase...up to a point.  But I like to be pursued a bit too...I don't necessarily feel more dominant by being the only one who calls, the only one who initiates sexual play, the only one who does this or that or etc...  If you show no interest in me...and not making a phone call or not sending a note without a "prompting" note from me first are examples of what I am talking about...when I have shown interest in you, then I will move on.

quote:

Is there some other way?
I don't know what it would be...everyone has to do what works for them.  While I am complimented by being contacted first, I understand that those occurrences are going to be rare.  In fact, in the two years I've been here, I can think of maybe 5 submissive females who contacted me first with anything even resembling a flirtatious remark in their note.



quote:

Thanks for your contributions!
You're welcome.




LovingMistress45 -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 1:40:50 PM)

I prefer to be chased.  However, I will make first contact if someone interests me. But if the sub doesn't start making overtures of interest quickly after that I lose interest. 




ZenDragoness -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 1:42:42 PM)

A Huntress would be the perfect term for me. I love to hunt. Seldom have i met better hunters than me and if it was the case, it was always very beautiful to be hunted.

The best experiences i had, was when i met a fellow hunter, and we had the same skill level. That kind of hunting dance is great.




marie2 -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 1:47:20 PM)

I think it comes down to a matter of personal style.  Some people are shy or afraid to make an advance for any number of reasons, others enjoy being the one to take the initiative. I don't think it matters much who initiates, or who is more aggressive, as long as both people are genuinely interested in the other.

Personally, I'm not too prideful to show interest if someone sparks me, but I'm not inclined to jump through hoops vying for someone's attention either.  If there isn't a feeling of mutual interest during that whole process,  I'm simply not compatible with the person.  




breatheasone -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 1:49:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ZenDragoness

A Huntress would be the perfect term for me. I love to hunt. Seldom have i met better hunters than me and if it was the case, it was always very beautiful to be hunted.

The best experiences i had, was when i met a fellow hunter, and we had the same skill level. That kind of hunting dance is great.

omg do i understand you...




NYLass -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 2:19:53 PM)

I like being chased, but right now I'm so damned chaste.

                                   [sm=Groaner.gif]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 2:36:16 PM)

I do expect to be pursued, or at least shown a lot of interest.  If a person is shy or quiet, I am not going to notice him.  Also, if a person stops writing or calling, I figure "just not that into me".   I am pretty aggressive about making my feelings known, after that the other party has to do his part.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 2:51:26 PM)

I think there is a difference whether you are out at an event or confining your search to online.  Although I don't believe there are "rules" either way, when people are out somewhere, I think things occur differently.  An s-type will use the same methods any vanilla woman would use.  A flirtatious look across the room, an inviting smile, saying hello.  All not to just get the man's attention, but to signal that she "open" to further contact.  Then waiting for the man, or d-type to take the reins, taking over the chase.  While not the only way it happens, I think this way is more popular than the female s-type "chasing" the d-type.  I know that is how it works for me.  Online, however, who initiates contact may be a little less one sided.  I guess it depends on what you are looking for as well.  If looking for a long term, loving relationship that involves BDSM and are on line, who contacts who would make little difference to me.  I don't have the patience to wait all the time while sifting through all the "on your knees, bitch" type openers.  If I see someone who I think might be interesting or a good match, I will send them a short note and see what happens from there.  If I happen to get one from them that isn't of the "on your knees...." mentality, I will respond either with interest or a polite "no thank you."




IceDemeter -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 3:40:51 PM)

quote:

But up until it gets to that point, the female...no matter what she identifies as...is the director of the chase, the prize.  The male...no matter what he identifies as...is the chasee, the follower of the female indicators.  Which, for the dominant males, winds up with them in an almost-submissive role and for the submissive females ends up with them in an almost-dominant role.


I am having some difficulty understanding this perspective.  I personally prefer being chased, but would never have considered that as being in an "almost-dominant role".

If I look at "the chase" as being "hunter" and "prey", then I don't understand how being the "hunter" is in any way an "almost-submissive" role.  In my mind, the "hunter" is still dominant in that they saw something they wanted and took direct action to get it - whether they are successful or not  in the end does not in the least change the dominance of the mind-set or action.  The fact that the "prey" isn't always caught does not change the power dynamic, it just means that sometimes a hunter chooses the wrong prey or the wrong weapon.

The "dominance" or "submission" in the chase, in my mind, is in the intent and mind-set of the individuals involved.




DemonKia -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 4:40:20 PM)

FR -- after reading thru the above thread.

Better answer this one before it gets too long, lol . . . .

I had been 'hearing' an implicit 'Doms chase, subs get chased' in all kinds of discussions here, there & everywhere, so I thought this was a strand worth examining somewhat more closely / deeply / whatever . . . . .

In my 'vanilla life' (*smirk*, pre-BDSM-out-&etc), I generally had some pretty dysfunctional behavior, which mostly boiled out to preferring to be chased . . . . . The most dysfunctional part being that I tended to run in the other direction from those I was honestly attracted to, & a team of wild horses couldna dragged me over to actually hit on those I found attractive . . .. . . lol . . . . . & after realizing I've been implementing a policy of working on getting over this . . . . .

Since coming out of my own personal BDSM closet, playing around, & etc, I've formulated a new policy that relates specifically to the SM portion: I tend to think that there is some 'moral obligation' on the part of consenting masochists to pursue sadists. The logic goes something like this: in the play I'm interested in (leaving marks, for instance) what's going on is technically illegal in places, & thus it behooves both partners to make sure there's a 'clear trail' showing that the maso really wanted what they got . . . . . .

Some sadists I know keep hard copies of all documentation generated in the relationship & / or have forms & such that get filled out that demonstrate the masos desire for the play, to attempt to cover their asses if shit should go awry (& leaving aside for another thread the entirely different argument about whether that would do any good in a court of law) . . . ..

But as both a sadist & a maso, I've decided that it is indeed my obligation to pursue sadists, if I feel the inclination . ... . Partly it's also a reflection of 'knowing' that myself & the sadists I've played with have largely been reasonably moral & ethical beings, & sadism play can trigger emotional & / or moral qualms & stuff in the sadist, & thus I feel there's something reassuring to know that the maso really wants what's going on . . . . .

This is of course, purely le opinion de la moi . . . . lol . . . . . .

& opinion is what I'm soliciting here, more than some kinda consensus that I suspect does not exist . . . .

Thanks for the contributions so far . .. ..




ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 4:55:22 PM)

You don't seem to have asked the subs how we feel about it, but I'm sure that was an oversight. Speaking as one of them, I prefer to do most of the chasing, shy though I am. For several reasons - first of all, it's just my nature to want to make everything in life as effortless as possible for a woman to whom I'm attracted; second, because I'm a hopeless romantic, and I like to make women feel special; and third, because I'm really not comfortable in a relationship unless one of the foundational elements of that relationship is that I'm being measured, evaluated, and held accountable by my partner - especially in the earliest stages.

If I don't feel that, then I feel that I have more power and more control than I want to have. Once we're past the "getting to know each other and seeing how we fit together" stage, it's not as important to me, because I feel by that time, she's spent enough time measuring me that she probably has a clear, objective picture of who and what I am. Then I feel emotionally secure, comfortable that she's interested in me for the right reasons. I just prefer relationships that develop more slowly, and the more I have to chase, the more I feel we're moving at a properly controlled pace.  




Missokyst -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 5:59:59 PM)

I am a flirt.  I flirt with all males from 2 to 80.  It is natural and habit.. plus I adore men.  But chase?  If intersted I smile, glance quickly and lower my eyes on contact, if that is chasing then I a guilty, I do not nor will not go further without response.  Coming from the days where men pursued women and women let ourselves get caught I remain one of the die hard traditionalists in this regard.  If a man wants me he better show it.  If he really wants me I want him to at least try to make it happen or I am going to feel that I am not worth the effort to him.. and why would I want that? 
Kyst




lizi -> RE: Chase, Chased, or Be Still Together? (5/16/2009 6:03:33 PM)

I prefer being chased. I like it, plus it gives me a tool to weed out those who are genuinely interested in me from those who aren't. I don't want to waste my time with someone who isn't invested somewhat in getting to know me. Had enough of that thank you very much. If I'm a side dish then I'll find that out pretty quickly by how much the other person seems to want to know about me or want me around.

I've also been known to make first contact if a profile interests me. If there is someone I am seeing I have no problem calling, writing, making dates to see each other, letting him know I am interested in sex - I still like him to take the lead but I'm right there showing him I'm interested as well.




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