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Lockit -> Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:37:20 AM)

I remember hearing guys in school tell one another that if they wanted to get a girl into bed, to tell her she was pretty, sexy (whatever) and that they loved her.  The magic words to get her to think what she needed to think to get somewhere with her.

We’ve all gotten emails from people who never read our profile saying how they loved our profile or how they had a lot in common with us and even that they love our beautiful pictures. Almost every player/scammer email has a compliment or two in it.  Then, there are men who take the time to get to know us somehow and their words are flowery and come often.  Saying what they think we want to hear.  Some will actually use wanting a long term relationship and how they too want this and yet the only thing they really want is to get a quick route to what they want whether that is kink or sex or both.

Now women do tend to like sincere compliments, but I tend to see a compliment or what I term, pretty words and a red flag goes up because pretty words mean nothing without back up and I hear so many pretty words.  I have even said in my profile throughout most my profile changes… Don’t think that with pretty words, I will fall into bed after spanking your ass.  And… Pretty words mean nothing until you put something behind them.

To me, pretty words are a red flag.  Rather than say something deep about something insightful I say or respond to something I have said somewhere… the pretty words are sprinkled like magic sugar and it seems I am to fall right into place, a simpering fool for a compliment and manipulated into whatever it is the speaker wants.

I watch carefully how pretty words are used.  I will gracefully take some compliments or pretty words if I do think they are true… like I am smart and if they say I am intelligent, I know it is true so okay… I am still listening… but will you lose me in your next sentence? lol

Do submissive’s emailing you here, using pretty words and compliments get the red flag waving in front of you?  Are you like me and test those pretty words?  Do you see men promising the moon, the stars and whatever it is you say you want in your profile who really don’t mean the words and use them as a manipulation?  Is seeing pretty words or a compliment as a red flag, in your opinion, too jaded?

I sometimes wish to tell those who are sincere, to wisely consider using compliments and think about how their words might come off because many someone’s before them have used this method to get what they want.  A compliment or two may work nicely to some degree, but using them often is going to make you sound like a salesman trying to sell a bill of goods like a con man.  I kind of have the attitude of… I know me… I know what I am and what I am not… don’t sell me on me… sell yourself baby!

I mean really… do these pretty words and compliments really work?  Before anyone gets anywhere close to me, I have to see some truth behind the pretty words.  Can I still be fooled?  Sure… there are some smooth sweet talkers… who know how to balance it all… but for the most part; few get passed my pretty words detector.

As a submissive man, most on these boards regularly, I don’t see using pretty words to get somewhere… but if there are any reading that use pretty words or compliments when you contact a dominant… why do you do this?  Think about it… and tell us your side of things.  Do you see a dominant seeing compliments as a red flag as wrong somehow or ?

What say you? (smile)




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:41:45 AM)

I get all kinds of compliments, and I reply with a "thank you".  Shoot, I am pretty!  The conversation had better move on from there.

Smooth talking... attention... I have been swept up in that, by someone from these very boards.  Silly me, right? 

It's tough not making the "next one" suffer for the lies of the one before, and so easy to be cynical! 




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:43:06 AM)

Is it really cynical to see how a con man works and be aware?




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:45:43 AM)

No, it's cynical to think that they ALL are con men!  I have to work so hard to keep myself from falling into that trap!    Because isn't the difference between a great guy and a con man his intentions?




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:48:28 AM)

I think some are very sincere, but am careful when too many pretty words are used! lol




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:50:20 AM)

Yes, me too.  Sometimes the "thank you"  leads to some icky requests!  The men that I am talking to locally...  we spend time talking about our companion animals, summer stuff, family things... there is no running commentary about my bewbage!




LadyPact -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 9:57:38 AM)

No, the pretty words aren't a red flag for Me.  I do take them with a grain of salt, but I can't lay the blame for when one person didn't mean them onto the person who might mean them.

I do get what you're saying, Lockit.  It's very easy to become desensitized to those flowery words when they are heard over and over.  In a way, you have to kind of cut them a break in the beginning.  How many introductory type compliments can there possibly be?  There really is only so much to go on in a profile because it's just a quick glimpse. 

Not to mention, it's not the actual words themselves.  It really is the person behind them and whether it's a genuine expression or not.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:00:37 AM)

I think it's when there is no substance behind the words that I get annoyed...  when the words are some kind of ploy to capture my interest before the "real" agenda comes into play. 

Really, I can't get irked over an initial compliment!  It's when that is all I get, when I feel like I am being fed the story that I want to hear...  [>:]




GYPZYQUEEN -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:03:45 AM)

How the pretty words progress and are strung together is the RED FLAG
 
YOU will get to know dif M.O.s fairly quickly..

I will not put MY answers in for sake of summary
 
eg)
I really liked your pictures
got any more?                          red! wanker?

eg) You're sexy                         red! use of word sex-y

eg)
You're beautiful........,.......,usually followed by a blush face designed to get YOU talking,,inquiring,,
                                      red! "I am so shy and my wienie got hard"

                                                                                 
eg)I want to worship such beauty.............red!        I have insides


eg) You embody the Goddess      red! has read profile telling me what I want to hear

eg) You look like fun                                red! sex..A do ME

It is what comes before and after that I watch..
Were they polite in the beginning?...do they refer to beauty a bit then go on to getting to know me...is it very sugary etc or a little...?

and as someone mentioned..

what is the INTENT....

GQ




LadyPact -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:04:45 AM)

Understood, LH.  I have a thread going on the general board right now about the power of words.  How those simple words of good boy/girl can have such an effect.  It's kind of the same thing.  If I didn't mean anything by them when I said the phrase, sure, it would be empty.  When used because I'm proud/happy/pleased with what the other person is doing, they have a marvelous effect.

I'm thinking this topic is pretty much the same in reverse.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:06:20 AM)

Could be! 

We shall see if any of our Major Players offer up their secrets.  :)




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:09:07 AM)

I don't get annoyed by the emails... I actually get a laugh out of them thinking that they think that is going to work.  They haven't read my full profile and I know that... part of it at most, but they haven't read the whole thing.

I require substance and if all I get is a response to what I say without any input and lots of pretty words... then I get bored rather quickly! lol




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:16:34 AM)

One thing I have noticed is that I have rules of communication before contacting me... mainly read the profile and don't ask for something I say I am not interested in.  There are some who will email with a compliment, getting around the rules of communication with an expected... thank you or response. lol




LadyPact -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:23:12 AM)

That last part is funny considering how I spent My time replying to emails this morning.  MP kind of got a kick out of it.  He just sat and laughed as I responded to various folks who obviously hadn't read the profile with quotes directly taken from what I've written there.  I actually told him that I've gotten so used to the practice that I can almost do it in My sleep.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:25:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

Is it really cynical to see how a con man works and be aware?


It is not cynical to be aware about as I had my own huge downfall in 2004 when I was too blind to realise how someone manipulated me incredible well (I was far too naive when I came to UK...seriously...).

However, that being said, being aware and making it a red flag are 2 different facts.

I got much more careful to say yes to anything over here then I used to be and am not bothered much about compliments in general. E.g. last year I lost 11kg in 4 months and I received compliments at Uni from friends...this I took happily and felt great about it...on here...you only see my facial picture...so basically a nose, a mouth and two eyes... I got often told to have a nice face, so if someone tells me that it is not something new to me...I am aware about that by now...I don't need him to tell me that...and so don't overvalue that statement either.

In regards to receive compliments to get her laid...Mr. Adorable gives me many compliments but that does not prevent him from still showing manners which means we did not end up in bed with each other when we met the first time as he preferred to show me the respect to take one step at a time and has no need to rush anything...as after all he has himself well under control!!!...so we simply had a great time and a great night with each other even without having s**. So receiving compliments...is not a red flag for me. I take it but don't overvalue it from someone whom I don't know. I value it from people I am close to, from others it is just empty words and nothing else. And as I said...even with giving compliments...it can still happen that they can "behave themselves" [:)]




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:29:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

That last part is funny considering how I spent My time replying to emails this morning.  MP kind of got a kick out of it.  He just sat and laughed as I responded to various folks who obviously hadn't read the profile with quotes directly taken from what I've written there.  I actually told him that I've gotten so used to the practice that I can almost do it in My sleep.


LOL... what do you think prompted this thread?  I woke up thinking... pretty words...  Oh well it wasn't nightmares about brick and mud, sand and plantings!

Edit... I think I better add... I wasn't dreaming of sweet talkers... but of reading the darn boards about someone who fell for the sweet talker... like a recent thread, only my brain added some post! lol




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:31:45 AM)

A good sweet talker... who fully means what he says... who backs it up... woohooo!  Let me eat you up!  So I guess that because the sincere are so good and tastee... the not so sincere are playing off the sincere and our wishful thinking. lol




Phoenixpower -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:41:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GYPZYQUEEN

I really liked your pictures
got any more?                          red! wanker?


That reminds me on a clash with Mr. Adorable in January. He asked for some more pictures from me; for facial ones (not other often expected ones) and I gave him some more as he was in general nice and did a lot to cheer me up after a disaster trip abroad. However, once he still asked for more I did show him my teeth and he realised he pushed to hard too fast. I knew that three things can happen, either he runs off as he did not get what he wanted, or he gets bossy as he does not see his mistake, or he tries to understand my reaction and asks about it.

In that situation he apologised for his demanding attitude and explained his view that he could care less about the pictures but that he wants that we get comfortable with each other. So he took a step back, accepted my response about the situation and did not blame me for being cautious. It took about two days until I relaxed more again, but we managed to continue. So even when again, I agree that more pics is OFTEN or even usually a sign for a wanker...sometimes it is not. Though in regards to the guy I am talking about, a wanker would not waste as much time on emails as he did at that time, which was another thing I gave him credit for. But yes, picture demands is a red flag and brought us close to stop our involvement. If he wouldn't have shown him being tactful about my response we would have never met.




Phoenixpower -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:46:02 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lockit

A good sweet talker... who fully means what he says... who backs it up... woohooo!  Let me eat you up!  So I guess that because the sincere are so good and tastee... the not so sincere are playing off the sincere and our wishful thinking. lol


Yep...unfortunately...[8|]




Lockit -> RE: Pretty words = Red flag? (5/18/2009 10:49:46 AM)

I don't want to give the impression to the men out there, that a compliment is the wrong way to go.  But I wondered if some might be having some trouble with maybe a confusion if some of us are seeing a red flag or are a bit more aware because of compliments and thought the topic might be one where we could share a bit and see what happened.  I also wanted some to know the gig is up and the false compliments aren't working so well... with many of us. lol

I have had what I call a compliment with the poor guy stepping all over himself, embarassed... I actually feel a bit bad he feels so embarassed, but see his words as sincere and I try to put him at ease.  Some compliments come with qualifiers... like they go into detail on other things I have said or how they came to the conclusion they came to.  Those I see as pretty sincere for the most part and I appreciate them for taking the time to compliment me!




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