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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 10:54:17 AM

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From what I understand, only female cats can have the calico phenotype.
Is it true?
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For the most part, I think it's true. I've heard that occasionally a male will be born calico, but it's supposedly extremely rare.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 11:06:09 AM

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From what I understand, only female cats can have the calico phenotype.
Is it true?
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For the most part, I think it's true. I've heard that occasionally a male will be born calico, but it's supposedly extremely rare.

Yes, it's some kind of weird genetic thang going on. Only one out of 3,000 calico cats will be male.

"Tortoiseshell (or calico) coats are caused by a combination of specific genetic traits. In female cats, where this trait occurs almost exclusively, it is a result of X-inactivation, in which different patches of fur receive coding for different hair color due to the activation of an X Chromosome from either the mother or the father. Calico coloring is a mix of phaeomelanin based colors (red) and eumelanin based colors (black, chocolate and cinnamon). Coat coloration in cats is complex, and controlled by several genes. One gene involved has two alleles:

The Orange allele, O, which is the dominant form, (XO), and produces orange fur; and,
The Black allele, o, which is the recessive form, (Xo), and produces black fur.

For a cat to be a tortoiseshell or calico, it must simultaneously express both of the alleles, O and o, which are two versions of the same gene, located at the same locus on the X Chromosome. Males normally cannot do this: they can have only one allele, as they have only one X Chromosome; consequently, virtually all tortoiseshell or calico cats are females. Occasionally a male calico is born (at a rate of approximately 1 in 3,000). These may have Klinefelter's syndrome, the carrying of an extra X-Chromosome, and will almost always be sterile. Alternatively, a male calico/tortoiseshell may be a chimera, resulting from the fusion of two differently colored embryos."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_cat

By the way, marie, calico cats bring good luck :-) .

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 11:14:10 AM

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Hi marie2,

You have great advice here about letting the kitten choose you. And I would like to second the notion of adopting 2 so that they keep each other company while you are at work. Be prepared to move the toilet paper to a an area where they cannot unroll it and shred it all through the condo. lol

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 11:29:50 AM

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Yes, it's some kind of weird genetic thang going on. Only one out of 3,000 calico cats will be male.

"Tortoiseshell (or calico) coats are caused by a combination of specific genetic traits. In female cats, where this trait occurs almost exclusively, it is a result of X-inactivation, in which different patches of fur receive coding for different hair color due to the activation of an X Chromosome from either the mother or the father. Calico coloring is a mix of phaeomelanin based colors (red) and eumelanin based colors (black, chocolate and cinnamon). Coat coloration in cats is complex, and controlled by several genes. One gene involved has two alleles:
The Orange allele, O, which is the dominant form, (XO), and produces orange fur; and,

The Black allele, o, which is the recessive form, (Xo), and produces black fur.

For a cat to be a tortoiseshell or calico, it must simultaneously express both of the alleles, O and o, which are two versions of the same gene, located at the same locus on the X Chromosome. Males normally cannot do this: they can have only one allele, as they have only one X Chromosome; consequently, virtually all tortoiseshell or calico cats are females. Occasionally a male calico is born (at a rate of approximately 1 in 3,000). These may have Klinefelter's syndrome, the carrying of an extra X-Chromosome, and will almost always be sterile. Alternatively, a male calico/tortoiseshell may be a chimera, resulting from the fusion of two differently colored embryos."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calico_cat

By the way, marie, calico cats bring good luck :-) .

kittin, have I told you lately how much I lubs you? Getting me all hot with talk of genetics!

One of the other "myths" or urban legends that I just learned last year is that supposedly ginger (or orange) tabbies are goofballs. I'd never heard of the orange moggie story until LadyHisbiscus told it to me when she was here for the wedding. Of course, Punky works very hard on proving her right every day! Goofball retard is rubbing up against me right now, getting cat fur all over the new computer. "Love me, LOVE ME NOW, DAMMIT!!!!!"

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 11:51:25 AM

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I have a female cat right now, and I've had a male cat in the past. Male cats like to roam, even neutered male cats. Female cats tend to stay closer to home. Male cats tend to get into a lot more fights than females as well. It's the biggest differences I've noticed. Of course if you're going to have strictly inside cats (I'm against this, but I know a lot of folks insist on it) than you aren't going to be concerned with the above.

That's true, my cat "Bubba" loves to go out at night and fight.
Man, he's been in some loud scraps too! And yes, he's very territorial too, he doesn't want any other males around the area! He likes the females though (Like "Daddy!")
I got him at an animal pound in Stratham, N.H. in 2002.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 11:57:35 AM

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One of the other "myths" or urban legends that I just learned last year is that supposedly ginger (or orange) tabbies are goofballs.

you heard wrong. It is the orange tabbies OWNERS that are nucking futs.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 12:08:00 PM

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Just my two cents, but I'd say forget about picking one period. Take home the one that picks you. And if none of them do, well, tomorrow is another day.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 12:23:04 PM

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I got him at an animal pound in Stratham, N.H. in 2002.

The Stratham SPCA? That's where we got our Cyrus :-) .

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 12:24:27 PM

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One of the other "myths" or urban legends that I just learned last year is that supposedly ginger (or orange) tabbies are goofballs.
you heard wrong. It is the orange tabbies OWNERS that are nucking futs.

You're all crazy

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 12:33:45 PM

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Just my two cents, but I'd say forget about picking one period. Take home the one that picks you. And if none of them do, well, tomorrow is another day.

K.

lmaoo....watch....not even a cat will want me...

Oh, and I've seen two pics so far of the calico....The one pic is a little bit dark, but it appears that each leg is a diff color. One looks red and white striped. The other leg looks dark gray (charcoal) striped. I've seen a pic of her face up close, it's so pretty, almost like she's wearing a white mask, framed with charcoal and red.

say, you guys, what does a spay/neuter cost these days??

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 12:43:55 PM

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Here's a list of low-cost spaying/neutering programs http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html#nationwide . If done privately, I don't believe it should cost more than around one hundred dollars. Don't forget that spaying is more costly than neutering (which involves little more than snipping *koff koff*).

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 1:44:10 PM

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That's true, my cat "Bubba" loves to go out at night and fight.
Man, he's been in some loud scraps too! And yes, he's very territorial too, he doesn't want any other males around the area! He likes the females though (Like "Daddy!")
I got him at an animal pound in Stratham, N.H. in 2002.

When I was a kid, we had a all black pound cat named Shadow. He was neutered, but he still ran all over the neighborhood. He had scars all over him from getting into fights; sometimes we wouldn't see him for close to a week. Later on when I was in my early 20's, I had another pound cat. I lived next to a house with a chicken coop. He was neutered too, but that dumbass would try 2 or 3 times a week to get himself a chicken. A rooster tore his ass up one night, he had a gash on his head from it. I finally had to give him away. He was going to get killed. I swore off cats after that. But about 10 years ago, my brother was living in Shreveport, LA. He got a cat from a pound over in Bossier City. Unfortunately, he had a 'no pet' clause on his lease. The apartment manager threatened to charge him and his girlfriend $1000.....so guess who got the cat? Miss Kitters has been with me ever since. She hardly ever goes further than a few hundred yards from my place. Of course, she is 13 years old, blind in one eye, and she can barely jump to the top of my dresser anymore. But she never did roam much. She's definitely not a fighter. She's a runt, and she knows her limitations.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 2:21:14 PM

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Haha... I have one calico who brings home bunnies larger than her, bites everyone but me... and barely tolerates me.

The other calico loves me, and I have a suspicion that she believes she is a dog.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 2:22:53 PM

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Here's a list of low-cost spaying/neutering programs http://www.lovethatcat.com/spayneuter.html#nationwide . If done privately, I don't believe it should cost more than around one hundred dollars. Don't forget that spaying is more costly than neutering (which involves little more than snipping *koff koff*).

Perfect. There's a facility on the list that's very close-by. Female $100 with shots. Male is $75.00 (no comment) . I remember my old cat costing over $200.00 fixed and shots....and that was nearly 20 yrs ago, but it was with a private vet.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 2:27:30 PM

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I think the problem of the exploding cat situation has helped to democratise the issue of spaying/neutering over the past ten or twenty years - so, are you going to go with the calico?

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 2:47:20 PM

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I think the problem of the exploding cat situation has helped to democratise the issue of spaying/neutering over the past ten or twenty years - so, are you going to go with the calico?

I most likely will. :)

I'm going to see them this Friday. They have to nurse for 2 more weeks but I'll get the chance to see them for now. Which ever one doesn't give me that who the fuck are you? look gets adopted. lmaoo

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 3:45:07 PM

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The other calico loves me, and I have a suspicion that she believes she is a dog.

you lucked out. My cats think they are human

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 3:58:24 PM

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The other calico loves me, and I have a suspicion that she believes she is a dog.
you lucked out. My cats think they are human

I beat you all. My cat believes that humans are cats.

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 4:04:17 PM

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hee hee...That is what I am trying to determine, if my furball thinks he is a person or that I am a cat...?

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RE: Kitten/Cat Advice - 5/19/2009 4:07:27 PM

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If you're not playing with the toilet paper, you're not a cat. That should be his first clue.

Unless of course you walk on the counter tops and lick the roast beef that just came out of the oven. Well...then he might be confused.

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