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pahunkboy -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:00:16 AM)
the 12 step could be on the thought of a gambling problem. BTW a $14 bounced check in this area- to WEIS, the chain grocer- if one doesnt make the check good and pay the fees, they put you in jail. County jail. the attitude of the law tends to be, even if one is innocent- they had something else that they did not get caught on. the system can be a racket no doubt. at first I hated how strict it is. But as campared to metros- I would rather it be strict as the local bad boys know if they push it - they go to jail. (here) ....a buddy of JIMs was using his credit card. I hope he fricken gets busted. over $500 -- and I doubt him passing will make it stop. The thing is it is fraud to use a now a dead mans cc. The dude is from out of state. A total player. ANyhow- my guess is that after Jim passed he ran up the card to the limit.

IrishMist -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:13:24 AM)
Soul2share, Miss Angel, LafayetteLady [sm=applause.gif] So very well said

soul2share -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:14:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: I've never had any criminal law experiences personally, but I've come to realize that most of us have just been "lucky" on that count, since everyone at some point has broken the law, even if it was just smoking a joint or something. Not to hijack...but i was shocked when i found out a simple speeding ticket is actually considered an arrest and release on ones own recognizance. Yep, they are a criminal violation, and non-moving violations are considered civil violations....both punishable by time in jail, fines, suspension of your registration/driver's license priveleges. Anytime you are issued a citation that is NOT considered a local or city ordinance violation, you have technically been arrested. People just never make that connection, since they sign the ticket, "pay" the fine by surrendering your license to the nice officer, and mail in the fines.

barelynangel -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:16:40 AM)
First of all, I haven't even commented on her ride and don't plan too. Secondly, EVEN with system change until people start expecting people == ESPECIALLY THOSE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE == to take personal responsibility - it won't make a difference. What about the REAL victim here? I ask again HAS SHE paid restitution to the person she wrote the bad check to? Or is it really no big deal even though for SOME PEOPLE $1200 is 1/2 a months pay. For some companies its a 2-week paycheck for someone. Especially in this economy -- $1200 that is expected but then doesn't come through CAN HURT PEOPLE. Who are all of you to act like THAT doesn't matter? The OP said well i offered to pay it off -- THAT ISN'T THE POINT are you going to follow her around paying off all the bad checks she write because she isn't expected to take responsibility. Someone doesn't just OPPS writing a $1200 check and something tells me this probably isn't the first one she has written but it was the first one someone actually said i want to file a complaint or it was enough for someone to do something about. Where is the indignation that this girl was GIVEN a 2nd chance and acted like it wasn't important? Where is the indignation over her victims because she thought it was no big deal to write a 1200 check that she said screw the probation she was given for doing so? I have no issue with her being given a 2nd chance -- she was given one. grins, here's the clincher -- I have many friends who have been in jail, my friends back home aren't exactly law abiding citizens. So while no -- i have never been in jail -- i have been in the same place the OP is -- friends in jail. However, i don't see my friends as victims and yes, i expect them to own up to their responsibility. I expect them to make restitution to their victims - here's a catch EVEN IF THE COURT DOESN'T -- , and while i will visit them, send them stuff to occupy themselves, and such when allowed, i will go to counseling with them, i will do what i can to support them while they are serving their sentence, I have even found lawyers for them who will help them with whatever plight they feel they are having -- but i won't have sympathy for them or make them into some victim. Hell, i have even taken time off work to bring someone's ass to their probation appointments when they whined they didn't have a ride and didn't want to take the bus. I expected them to take personal responsibility and helped them whenever i could. So sorry OP, but despite your belief otherwise, i HAVE been where you are. Sometimes being a friend means you kick then in the ass instead of allowing them to be victims because they refuse to take responsibility for their actions. Yes the system needs revamping, but that revamping won't do any good unless people start expecting people to be responsible for their actions and decisions. I am not seeing people expecting that of this girl. Until someone expects this girl to do so, something tells me she will never do it on her own. OP you can have indignition for her circumstances that the system created however, maybe instead of getting pissed off, you 1) start having the attitude of understanding SHE DID THIS and is not a victim and needs to take personal responsibility for her choices, 2) you work with her while she is inside to set up a support system OUTSIDE so when she gets out she doesn't screw up her parole, 3) you start looking into how you could help change how prisoners are transported and see what you can do to lobby for change, 4) find her an attorney who may be able to help her change things so she can get the most out of this time inside. I haven't seen you say anything other than you are pissed off and everyone should feel indignant for her. I have seen you make excuses for her and pretty much say oh its no big deal what she did. I disagree. I am all for probation for people, I have no issue for people wanting to make the system better -- but i have no sympathy for people who had a second chance and decided it wasn't all that important. When does her violations of the law START being a big deal? How many chances should she get? angel

servantforuse -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:39:09 AM)
I like some others on here are interested in how she violated probation. That question still hasn't been answered.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:47:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: barelynangel First of all, I haven't even commented on her ride and don't plan too. Of course not, you can't comment, because it is so fucking unjustifiably outrageous and embarrassing for the 'justice' system. The indignation here comes from the fact that her crime does not justify her punishment: if you, and all the others clamouring in unison like a lynchmob that this is good justice, cannot see that, you truly are beyond help .

servantforuse -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 5:49:57 AM)
Maybe she wrote another bad check ?

barelynangel -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:22:14 AM)
No Kittnsol, i haven't commented on it because i don't know ALL the details, i don't know the whys and hows. UNTIL I HAVE THE ACTUAL details instead of just the drama concept unfold of this thread, i can't make an informed decision. I also know there are LAWYERS who would just LOVE to screw the system, and to me, no, i don't just take ONE SIDE -- i would need to know BOTH sides of whys, hows, and the law to determine whether it was GROSSLY unjust lol and many lawyers if she really was grossly unjustly treated, they would be knocking down her door to get to represent her. You take information that you have no actual information of and jump up and down and sideways lol to screech indignition and make all these UNINFORMED decisions about a situation you have no ACTUAL 1st hand knowledge about -- have you looked at the case, have you spoken to the attorneys, have you looked into the law that allowed her transport -- have you made any effort to change anything or have you just screeched about it. You as a person have the opportunity to do what you can for this girl if you really feel this strongly about it. Hire a laywer for her, go to Texas and do some research into her case, research the company that transported her, find other people etc etc etc. I have yet to see anyone say anything about lynching her -- this is just drama on your part because people aren't crying for this girl. She is in a minimum security prison where she has to walk with her hands behind her back, she has to follow rules which she has proven she has trouble with, for 2 years. She didn't have 28 days of straight driving in a car, she was kept in jail during that time, she came back and was sentenced to jail for violating her probation. I presume she had an attorney, i presume she TOLD the attorney about her journey. Sorry i really don't see a reason to jump up and down and screech indignantly. Seeing that you seemed to miss this part -- lets clarify your misunderstanding -- her punishment for the CRIME WAS PROBATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PROBATION WHERE SHE WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE IN JAIL and this fit her crime. She was given a punishment which allowed her to REMAIN OUT OF PRISON. The difference between you and i is i realize who the real victim here is -- and its not this girl. NOW, if she had been thrown in jail for writing the bad check, i would agree that would have been harsh -- but she wasn't, she was given an opportunity to have a MUCH LESS sentence that she chose to think wasn't all that important to follow. Now she has to serve out a very inconvenient sentence. As to the extradition, i can't comment, as i don't know both side of it. I don't know the laws and i don't know the whys and hows, from what i gather -- she wasn't kept in a car for 28 days. Was she treated like a prisoner -- yeah, she kinda was one - that silly violation of probation that many don't think was all that big of a deal and neither did she obviously. The chains are for the protection of the employees and citizens NOT the prisoners. Again kittnsol, when does it become a big deal? When does thumbing her nose at the slap on her wrist become a big deal? When is she supposed to take personal responsibility. I see you screech a lot about our systems here in the US, yet what have you actually done to change things? In this individual situation there is a lot you could do, are you doing it or just screeching about it? angel

DomImus -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:24:13 AM)
You're right, sb4u - I don't know what it's liked to be arrested and I have no aspirations of finding out about first hand in this lifetime. Some of us know how to abide by the law and some of us do not. If you want to dance you have to pay the band.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:26:43 AM)
Prison for non-violent offences is morally wrong, counterproductive, furthers the cause of criminality, and costs too much money to the taxpayer. Discuss.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:27:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus You're right, sb4u - I don't know what it's liked to be arrested and I have no aspirations of finding out about first hand in this lifetime. Some of us know how to abide by the law and some of us do not. If you want to dance you have to pay the band. Ivory tower.

DomImus -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:28:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol The indignation here comes from the fact that her crime does not justify her punishment: if you, and all the others clamouring in unison like a lynchmob that this is good justice, cannot see that, you truly are beyond help. Felony. Look it up.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:30:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomImus quote: ORIGINAL: kittinSol The indignation here comes from the fact that her crime does not justify her punishment: if you, and all the others clamouring in unison like a lynchmob that this is good justice, cannot see that, you truly are beyond help. Felony. Look it up. I don't need to. The system is fucked, but please, keep on cheerleading for it, it's obviously making you happy.

scifi1133 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:35:59 AM)
Damn right. I'll put it more simply. Do a crime do the time.

sirsholly -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:48:01 AM)
I have to side with Sci, Angel and the others that are saying...too bad. The punishment for violating her probation is too harsh? Then she should not have written the bad check.

marie2 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:52:38 AM)
No one here is disputing that she did wrong, broke the law (more than once) and should be punished for it, or "do the time". Not sure why that keeps getting pounded to death by everyone; no one disagrees on that count. It's a question of how incarcerated people are treated while in custody or imprisoned or whathaveyou. Just because someone has comitted a crime (especially a non-violent one) doesn't mean that they should now have to endure any and all horrors that come their way. That's the issue that's on the table.

Rule -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:53:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: scifi1133 I'll put it more simply. Do a crime do the time. I seem to recall that it was Albert Einstein who said: "A hypothesis should be as simple as possible - but not too simple". Me thinks that your simplet is too simple. Criminal behaviour is sometimes more complicated than that. Cows and horses both have a head, a tail and four legs - but they are not the same species. Some of these criminals require someone else to be responsible for them, and perhaps such a choice - prison or becoming legal property - should be offered to them.

scifi1133 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:56:57 AM)
It's called punishment for a reason...it you are out or on probation and screw up AGAIN then I have no sympathy.

Rule -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:57:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 It's a question of how incarcerated people are treated while in custody or imprisoned or whathaveyou. Just because someone has comitted a crime (especially a non-violent one) doesn't mean that they should now have to endure any and all horrors that come their way. That's the issue that's on the table. Quite. The atrocities endured by prisoners are unchristian. In fact they are reminiscent of the barbaric Old Testament and sharia punishments.

kittinSol -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 6:57:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 No one here is disputing that she did wrong, broke the law (more than once) and should be punished for it, or "do the time". Not sure why that keeps getting pounded to death by everyone; no one disagrees on that count. It's a question of how incarcerated people are treated while in custody or imprisoned or whathaveyou. Just because someone has comitted a crime (especially a non-violent one) doesn't mean that they should now have to endure any and all horrors that come their way. That's the issue that's on the table. Exactly, although it's also my sentiment that one year for violating probation is overly harsh. There's something seriously wrong when three men walk free in Pennsylvania after beating a man to death http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/01/pa.immigrant.beating/index.html?iref=mpstoryview , and slaveboy's friend gets sent to the slammer for a bad check and violating her probation.

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