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LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 9:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VeryMercurial I wonder if the young lady in question had a public defender, or not. Often having deep pockets can buy the best legal team, and often having the best legal team will get you a different verdict and maybe even a lighter sentence. While many public defenders have earned their poor reputation, when I was I was in Florida, I was friends with a criminal PD that was just as if not more competent than many high priced attorneys. It is unreasonable as the defendant to sit back and expect your attorney to do it for you. Especially when the system puts all the tools at your finger tips to assist in your own defense.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 9:04:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 I really don't see the corrolation between *"Abusive (or not) treatment of prisoners"* and "Prisoners who rape the system". Or maybe I'm just not clear on your point. Are you saying that prisoners who rape the system exist, therefore there isn't such a thing as detainee abuse? Yes, there is such a thing. However, to make the giant leap that every prison guard is out there abusing the prisoners is a stretch. It is like everything else. We only hear about the bad ones. But if you were to statistically analyze it, the number of guards who abuse prisoners is far outweighed by the ones who don't. No it doesn't make it right, but the point is that it is the exception not the norm.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 9:35:39 PM)
FR: Wow, this thread went further than I expected. For those that have posted asking for more detaills, here goes: Writing a hot check for more than $200 is a felony in Arkansas. My friend wrote a check for $1200 on a bill to to fix her well pump. She wrote the check on a closed account, she knew better. So yes, she is a thief. Plain and simple, she stole a service by using fraud. She was placed on 4 years of probation. She lost her job in July 2008. She got a "travel pass" from her PO to go visit a high school chum in Austin, TX. Her friend offered to put her up while she looked for work. She found 2 jobs, and she accepted them. She got a place for her and her 3 children. Her old PO quit, and she was assigned a new PO. She had requested a transfer of her probation to Texas. She never heard anything back. She should have returned to Arkansas to straighten it out, but she didn't. She fucked up. A warrant was issued for her arrest. Travis County deputies found her through her social security number on her W-2 form at her new job. Despite what some on here have claimed, they do issue a warrant nationwide on NCIC. She was arrested....the rest I explained. What happened, happened. She has not complained once. In fact, she has been quite the trooper. Her 3 children are with an aunt of her's. She has accepted responsibility, and she is dealing with it. I AM THE ONE THAT COMPLAINED. I am furious over the way she was treated. I am disgusted with our criminal justice system. She is my friend, I care about her, and I won't apologize for that. I am sorry if this upsets some of our more draconian minded posters. Prison for non-violent offenders is bullshit. I am a registered voter, and thus qualified to serve on a jury. If it ever happens, I will vote to aquit in any non-violent case. Jury nullification is a valid tool to bring this type of nonsense to an end.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Prison visitation (5/20/2009 9:49:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Despite what some on here have claimed, they do issue a warrant nationwide on NCIC. She was arrested....the rest I explained. Thank you for the additional details. NCIC would be the "system" that I spoke of. I did leave out the additional option of the PO doing a search to see what turned up. It was not intentional, but is not typical for a PO to be doing that. Being there for your friend has never been viewed as a bad thing. It is a good thing. What I and others have tried to explain over and over again, is that incarceration for non-violent offenders is not the first option. It wasn't for your friend either. It all came about because she didn't follow through on what she needed to do. Yes the responsibility was on her to deal with her PO, as it reasonable to expect each individual to to rather than the PO contacting each individual. Truly, though, the facility that she will spend the time in will put her in minimal danger, so you can take solace in knowing that her safety really isn't at risk. Again, as I mentioned in my first post, you can contact an attorney and see if there is anything to be done. You can retain one on her behalf. She can always refuse to work with him, but I don't think that would happen when all was said and done. Her punishment is NOT harsh at all, and she was given chances, but for whatever reason, abused those opportunities. I get that you don't like it, but something had to happen. Now all that can be done is to use the time wisely and get what you can out of the situation. Please understand, that it was never my intention to minimize the pain you feel on behalf of your friend. But the system, while not perfect, is not totally corrupt, and when probation, house arrest, community service and the like don't rectify the problem, we must move on to the next option which is a minimum security facility. I do wish you luck and encourage you to continue to be supportive to your friend.

Loki45 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 1:08:17 AM)
quote: IORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou If it ever happens, I will vote to aquit in any non-violent case. Jury nullification is a valid tool to bring this type of nonsense to an end. Non-violent, such as if your house was broken into and everything you've worked hard for taken over night. Just slap that thief on the wrist, right? After all, so what if you're broke, have no possessions left in your home and end up sleeping on the floor....so long as it was non-violent, right?

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 1:33:31 AM)
quote: Non-violent, such as if your house was broken into and everything you've worked hard for taken over night. Just slap that thief on the wrist, right? After all, so what if you're broke, have no possessions left in your home and end up sleeping on the floor....so long as it was non-violent, right? Did I stutter? Yep, you heard it right. I will vot to aquit in any non-violent criminal case. It's my right as a tax paying citizen of the U.S. I hate our current system, and I will bring it down in anyway I can. Everytime I drive the hour it takes to see my friend, I have to pull over so I can cry after. I don't give a fuck if that makes you feel better about her fate. I am upset by all this. I take this personally. I will do everything in my power to make sure noone ever has to feel like this. It's my responsibility as a citizen and a man.

hlen5 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 1:38:31 AM)
slaveboyforyou, Thanks for providing more details. Up until I read your last post I had no sympathy for your friend. As I read the whole thread, my thinking was she was deservedly in prison because she thumbed her nose at the terms of her probation. I can see how a screwy paperwork mix-up could have contributed. Knowingly, deliberately writing a bad check - criminal. A warrant issued for not keeping paperwork up to date - unfortunate. Hopefully she will stay on her best behavior and will have learned never to write a rubber check again.

Loki45 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 1:45:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou Did I stutter? Yep, you heard it right. I will vot to aquit in any non-violent criminal case. It's my right as a tax paying citizen of the U.S. I hate our current system, and I will bring it down in anyway I can. Everytime I drive the hour it takes to see my friend, I have to pull over so I can cry after. I don't give a fuck if that makes you feel better about her fate. I am upset by all this. I take this personally. I will do everything in my power to make sure noone ever has to feel like this. It's my responsibility as a citizen and a man. Wow, so your "responsibility as a citizen and a man" is to simply piss away the rights and lives of the truly INNOCENT victims so long as no "non-violent" criminals are "inconvenienced?" All I can say to that is wow. I truly hope you never serve on a jury then.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 2:24:11 AM)
quote: Wow, so your "responsibility as a citizen and a man" is to simply piss away the rights and lives of the truly INNOCENT victims so long as no "non-violent" criminals are "inconvenienced?" All I can say to that is wow. I truly hope you never serve on a jury then. I'm a registered voter, so I am just as likely to serve as you. Scary huh? I am a citizen and I have just as many rights as you. I recognize and use my rights. You may not like it, but I dare you to try and take them from me.

Loki45 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 2:32:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou I'm a registered voter, so I am just as likely to serve as you. Scary huh? I am a citizen and I have just as many rights as you. I recognize and use my rights. You may not like it, but I dare you to try and take them from me. I don't need to. All I need to do is hope you get weeded out in the jury selection process. If more people were like you, honest, hard-working people would have nothing and still they'd be surrounded by the very people who stole what they had. Personally, I would rather the person who steals from me not be treated with kid gloves. Because this much is true, if the same person who would rob me blind tries to do so while I am in my home...he will not survive the encounter. In that situation the only way I would truly feel comfortable that they are not going to do me or my loved ones harm is to personally guarantee it. In many cases, the only thing seperatating a "non-violent" offender from a "violent" offender is opportunity and circumstance. There are many instances where someone entered a home only to steal and got surprised by the home owner....and in some of those cases, they quickly switched from 'non-violence' to 'violence.' That is a chance I am not willing to take. So go on....sit there at your computer and 'promise' us that you will set burgalars, car thieves, and any other 'non-violent' crooks walk free. I will sit here at my computer and assure you that if I am ever confronted with an intruder...I will not ask his intentions before I send him out of my home in a bag. The difference between you and I is that while you're fine with letting scores of criminals go to re-offend later......I am not.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 2:43:53 AM)
The presumption of innocence is not a popular right with you I gather? You seem to think that anyone picked up is guilty. I pray you never serve on a jury; you obviously don't understand objectivity.

sirsholly -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 2:51:34 AM)
quote: I am a registered voter, and thus qualified to serve on a jury. If it ever happens, I will vote to aquit in any non-violent case. Jury nullification is a valid tool to bring this type of nonsense to an end. Oh sure Slaveboy. Yep...you do that as a form of protest against the justice system. So...you vote to acquit the poor non-violent drug dealer who was selling drugs in front of a school. Good for you! He walks,but the next child he sells drugs to overdoses and dies. Sad, but hey...you are a citizen, a registered voter, and it was your right to acquit. Or.how about.the non-violent home invader you acquit? The next time he breaks and enters he finds that the homeowner was asleep. A struggle ensues and the homeowner loses his life. Shame, but WTF...you made your form of protest, right? You yourself have a police record. I pray that it will keep you off of a jury.

scifi1133 -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 2:58:19 AM)
Actually I may not be reading this right but that sounds suspicially like jury tampering to me.

JstAnotherSub -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 3:00:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou snip Prison for non-violent offenders is bullshit. I am a registered voter, and thus qualified to serve on a jury. If it ever happens, I will vote to aquit in any non-violent case. Jury nullification is a valid tool to bring this type of nonsense to an end. so, someone breaks into a grandmothers house, as she is sleeping, takes all her cash that she has hidden in the cookie jar, cash she needs to survive, and even though there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt, you would vote to acquit because your friend was too stupid to follow up on her case when she didnt hear anything back on her request for a probation transfer? same scenario-but granny hears the intruder, gets up, sees him in the kitchen and drops dead of a heart attack. the crook did nothing violent, so let him go? someone breaks into your house.....steals everything you have worked for your entire working life while you are at work. youre gonna walk in and say, well they can keep the stuff......at least i wasnt hurt? while i can appreciate your hurting for your friend, it was her actions, and her actions only (or lack of actions), that got her where she is. as for you voting to acquit any non violent crook, its easy to be angry and sit and type that. i suspect that you would be unable to do it when the rubber hits the road though. if i am wrong, and you could let someone go free as a protest, then that just makes me feel a lil bit sick to my stomach.

slaveboyforyou -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 3:22:33 AM)
FR: Read your Constitution folks. Jury nullification is allowed. It's not tampering, it's judgement on the morality of the law. Look it up; you do not have to follow the judge's instructions. You can judge the law itself. Stop being sheep, use your rights.

WyldHrt -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 3:46:33 AM)
quote: Did I stutter? Yep, you heard it right. I will vot to aquit in any non-violent criminal case. It's my right as a tax paying citizen of the U.S. I hate our current system, and I will bring it down in anyway I can. Wow... just, wow. As Holly said- hopefully, you will NEVER be on a jury. I can only assume that you have never come home after a long day at work to find that some shitbag has broken in and stolen everything in your home that he thinks is worth a buck to the local fence, or found out that some non-violent, nice criminal is trying to give/ sell your UM drugs outside their school. Really, FFS. quote: I am upset by all this. I take this personally. I will do everything in my power to make sure noone ever has to feel like this. It's my responsibility as a citizen and a man. It is your responsibility as both a citizen and a man to cowboy the fuck up, get over your personal issues, and actually think about someone other than yourself. Your friend who actually made the fuck up has faced the fact that it is her responsibility, why can't you? She knowingly wrote a bad cheque for $1200. Did you stop to think about the impact such a thing can have on a small business? Obviously, you didn't.... but maybe she did.

BitaTruble -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 4:00:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slaveboyforyou FR: Read your Constitution folks. Jury nullification is allowed. It's not tampering, it's judgement on the morality of the law. Look it up; you do not have to follow the judge's instructions. You can judge the law itself. Stop being sheep, use your rights. You are absolutely right. Jurors do have the right to determine both the facts and the law, however, if you find that the facts to be such that there is no reasonable doubt to the guilt of the accused, then it is your duty to find the accused guilty. Jurors have to take an oath to sit and if you violate your oath to be fair and impartial to further your own agenda, then you are part of what's wrong with the system. With your attitude, however, there's not a prosecutor worth his salt that wouldn't throw your ass off the jury during voir dire. I'm not worried about you sitting on a jury.

sirsholly -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 4:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SlaveBoy am upset by all this. I take this personally. I will do everything in my power to make sure noone ever has to feel like this. It's my responsibility as a citizen and a man. quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt It is your responsibility as both a citizen and a man to cowboy the fuck up, get over your personal issues, and actually think about someone other than yourself. STANDING OVATION TO WYLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sirsholly -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 4:02:33 AM)
quote: Jurors have to take an oath to sit and if you violate your oath to be fair and impartial to further your own agenda, then you are part of what's wrong with the system. Hey SlaveBoy...i highlighted this...just for you.

pahunkboy -> RE: Prison visitation (5/21/2009 4:09:07 AM)
I think slaveboy would be good for a jury. A few of you are being too hard on him, he is tabulating the info - and more then in the posts. SB is EXACTLY what we need more of- on juries. I am concerned he is on rose colored glasses out of personal interest in the gal. Cut the guy some slack! He has his views and if you disagree- then so be it. In a free country we can all disagree.

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