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Lordandmaster -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/10/2006 12:29:18 AM)

Lots of good information in this thread. Spyware is definitely malicious, it's definitely a security threat, and some so-called spyware removal programs are really spy programs themselves!

As for IE vs. Mozilla: My experience bears out what Kenin is saying. I'm sure IE's dominance isn't going to last, but for now it works much better for me with plug-ins and foreign-language websites. I'm sure Shade is right that the time will come when people no longer code with IE in mind. When that happens, I'll switch.




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/10/2006 8:56:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

Yeah but you have to pay for Opera.




No, Opera is 100% free now as of 8.5.




FelinePersuasion -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/10/2006 5:53:29 PM)

I don't like mozilla fire fox. I go to ageplay.org and mozilla wants me to download special active X controlls simply so I may use a site IE does just fine with out active x.

Mozilla also tells me pages that are legit can't be found when IE finds them fine.




IronBear -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/10/2006 6:24:16 PM)

I never have this problem with firefox and IE still sends the caches and other info back to Microsoft if you double click.. I have problems with Billy gates having access to this




onceburned -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/17/2006 6:10:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirKenin
No, Opera is 100% free now as of 8.5.


Yes. But like Firefox, it can't render all webpages - so you might want to keep IE as a backup.




Real0ne -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/17/2006 7:08:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SirKenin

This is really old news, but many people might not be aware of this nonetheless. 90% of My residential business is cleaning this crap off of people's computers, so that will tell you something. There is a website devoted to this that I use quite frequently... http://www.pchell.com/ If you are having problems with your computers or need any type of removal tools, that is where to go.

If you use XP, a combination of SP2, Microsoft Antispyware Beta and Spybot Seek and Destroy are deadly effective. That is all you need. You do not need to pay these con artists that want to extort money out of you to use their programs that other people have released for free.

Many of these things are installed with ActiveX. This is only available in Internet Explorer. However, if you use your head you can protect your computer and still use ActiveX, which is quite necessary for a lot of the multimedia and interactive content on the internet. If you are lazy you can download Opera or Firefox (although Opera kills Firefox for speed).

The rest use javascript, which Opera and Firefox are just as vulnerable to. This is where the MS AS Beta and Spybot come in handy. If you are going to use those, though, you might as well stick with IE. Why confuse the issue and add more junk to your PC?

The most important think is to remember that nothing in life is free. Any idiot website that says FREE SMILEYS!!! is conning you. Look at it this way. 99.97548% of the internet population is in it to line their pockets. There is nothing in it for them to offer anything for free. Make sure you read between the lines... Especially AVOID BEARSHARE and KAZAA. Do NOT download these products. They pollute your PC with garbage that chokes the life out of your internet connection. They are garbage. Avoid Smiley Central. Avoid Screensavers.com like the plague. Avoid any warez, hacking and cracking sites like astalavista, which leads you to a bunch of sites that disguise spyware and vicious virii like cracks and serial numbers. Avoid any of those "free" porn galleries and anything that says "banned". They will download javascript on your computer that you will wish you never ran across.

The only antispyware program worth mentioning other than what I have already mentioned is Ewido. That one you do have to pay for, but it simply destroys any other paid-for product out there. It also has a free mode that will do scans, just not real time protection. It is deadly effective. I highly recommend it.



yes i ditto everything you have said here! likewise much of my work is the same.

i didnt read every post on so this may have been said before.

i am kind of ballsy on the net. all i have is a firewall, no anti virus and no spy or trogan ware.

if you had a key logger you would get all these posts that you would have to rifle thru only to never find one credit card number even tho i use these computers to order online :) curious?

another thing i do not do is use outlook or any of the popular email agents as these are what hackers go for because they get the biggest audience.

If it has not been mentioned there are a lot of people who put virus software and trogan/adware software on their computer and "falsely" think they are protected!

This is incorrect. you are only protected against known viruses.

if i were to release a virus today that can make it past your hueristics scanner you will be infected and there is nothing you can do about it.

Why? because once people get the virus they send it in to norton or who ever who writes the fix for it, then after that point in time you are protected!

Many of my customers have no clu this is the case and in some instances get malicious viruses that wipe their computer out and they cant figure out why. thats why.

So how do i work around the spybots?

i have all the names and passwords in an encrypted file on my computer.

i copy paste everything into the browser so no keystrokes go out. part of that file is the alphabet in single numbers so i can create new private numbers and add them to the file.

Now to the best of my knowledge there is no spyware that goes deeper than that to try and root out cc numbers but if someone knows of one do let me know please because even tho i have yet to have trouble i am sure this will become a future change i will need to make at some point.

as for viruses, i go all over on the net and i am sure i have a few but nothing that is noticeable at this point.

i reload my computers roughly ever 2 - 3 years and it is rare like once in the last 4 years i have a problem with this system.

then finally i do have one computer that i keep loaded to the hilt and that is my naughty puter.




Real0ne -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/17/2006 7:41:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

Oh yeah.

Something I almost NEVER see asked or suggested when folks say their machine is trudging along ... when was the LAST time you defragged?

You really should defrag at the least once to twice a month. More if you use your PC a lot and you are saving things to disk, and loading and deleting programs and files frequently.

If you use your PC *hard* like I do, start doing it weekly. Do it when you log off and go to sleep.

Seriously. Defragging is important for a well running box and most folks don't even do it twice a year, if at all.

LOVE and care for your harddrive(s) and it will usually love you a little better. lolol.


i would be curious what you have for a system and how it is setup because i have only noticed the need for this on older puters and i confess i wasnt looking. lol

for my customers that want reasonably hi performance i always put in a hard drive with the 2meg buffer and as a rule of thumb 1 gig ram per 100gig of hardrive. and then i use dual data mb's and ram.

i personally have well over 3 million tiny < 1k files on one of my puters and granted its not as fast as an empty drive but people usually do not believe it when i show them how fast it is you know.

i know until ram got cheap and buffers big i used to notice a big difference on the older units, especially with lots of small files.

i never actually put this to a test and i am curious if you or anyone else has actually tested this to see if there is a difference on these newer puters. maybe i should be defragmatizing

i am partial to amd, + dual data ram 120-160g hd + 2x512m ram.





Arpig -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 7:04:24 AM)

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Now to the best of my knowledge there is no spyware that goes deeper than that to try and root out cc numbers

To the best of my knowledge, you are correct, and you should be ok using this method...for now, since we all know that it is only a matter of time until somebody writes something that will foil this security method.




anthrosub -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 6:50:24 PM)

I haven't read the entire thread but I use Spy Sweeper (from Webroot) and so far it's been pretty good at not only cleaning my PC of all the spy and adware but also alerts me when some of them are trying to install. It updates its definitions automatically, can be scheduled to sweep the PC on a regular basis, and pops up an alert when updates occur.

anthrosub




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 7:47:25 PM)

For high performance moving small files you want 8MB or 16MB cache, not 2. 2 is old skool. There is no rule for the RAM. Windows XP only needs 512. If they want high performance, 1GB is ample. For the newer games and demanding clients that are heavy on the image processing or for servers you want 2GB of RAM or more. RAM is not contingent in the least on the size of the storage space. The two of them have no relationship with each other whatsoever in terms of performance.

Incidentally Microsoft just released their next preview of their antispyware program, called Microsoft Defender Beta 2. I have it on My laptop to test it and so far I have found it to be really good.




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 7:49:36 PM)

About AMD... AMD is good after the Athlon XP, but Intel's new lineup of processors is threatening to destroy them.




RiotGirl -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 8:15:30 PM)

thanks for reminding me to do a check for spy ware on the computer




newflowers -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 10:29:16 PM)

Holy cow - okay. So I use a computer for work and I email and visit this and a few other sites. My computer is a sweet old lady - 5 years old and runs ME. I usually do a scan and a defrag once a month.

I think I do have spyware because there are programs that I have no idea about and I am runing much more slowly in recent months, but I'm not sure because I have no idea what all of the jargon means and I read all of the posts in this thread.

I have a gmail email address for work email and use the Google pop-up blocker and it almost always works. I know that I have recently visited a site that shared my email address because after more than a year of spam-free gmail, my spam box has been filling up like crazy in the last couple of weeks.

So, pretend that you are talking computers to a kindergarden baby - how EXACTLY do I check for and get rid of spyware and adware? What sites are best for ME?

Please - make this simple for me.

thanks -

newflowers




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 10:34:46 PM)

Try these directions:

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/tutorials/tutorial80.html




newflowers -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/18/2006 10:57:40 PM)

Thank you very much.




Tantalus42 -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/19/2006 8:35:10 AM)

Just as an update, spyware infection rates for Mozilla are almost negligible compared to IE.

http://www.channelweb.com/sections/allnews/article.jhtml?articleId=179102637&cid=ChannelWebNews


ActiveX seems to be the primary culprit. Microsoft's dependence on it (thus web programmers using it so much even though it's not web standard) is definitely a negative, but I think alot of people agree that the web is what it is and you have to deal with ActiveX. Hopefully one day Microsoft can code a more secure version. Of course that's sort of like hoping Apple will one day dominate the OS market *grin*.

Everyone's best bet is to install multiple spyware detectors (spybot, ad-aware, MS) and run them once a week or so, or whenever you notice severe system slow downs and lots of pop ups.




newflowers -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/19/2006 12:57:23 PM)

OMG - It tooks hours and hours and I am not finished yet; I had 712 infected files and 8 viruses. Those are now gone and I am running significantly faster - even on my old lady computer. Now I just have to deal with the 57 ad and spy wares.

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

newflowers




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/19/2006 2:23:19 PM)

You are welcome. One significant part of My business is cleaning this crap out of people's computers. The worst I have seen so far is approximately 12,000 infections.




newflowers -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/19/2006 4:43:38 PM)

SirKenin,

I need help again please. I ran the Tread house call and that helped tremendously. I ran the Panda and found a few more spy ware and a couple more viruses. I want to install the Panda Titanium Anti-Virus BUT

when I get to the point of installation, it tells me that I have McAfee Virus Scanner on the computer and to go to the settings/control panel/add remove programs and delete it. I tried that but could not find a file that is named McAfee. No problem - I did a search and found a file that was McAfee - I deleted it. I thought this was a good thing.

BUT...

When I tried to install the Panda program, it told me again that I have to uninstall McAfee before I can do so. So I looked again and now I cannot find McAfee even in the search or the explore when I right click on start.

So, can you tell me how to solve this problem so I can download the Panda?

By the time I've finished with this, you may have to send me a bill for services rendered.

Thank you,

newflowers




SirKenin -> RE: Spyware Caution (2/19/2006 5:03:59 PM)

By deleting the program file, you did not delete the program, which you will well know by now. Like Panda is saying, you have to do it through add remove. It can be a pain in the butt to remove. Here are some instructions on how to manually get rid of it:

http://knowledgemap.nai.com/KanisaSupportSite/search.do?cmd=displayKC&docType=kc&externalId=KBnai462xml&sliceId=&dialogID=8384105




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