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RE: training camps - 5/26/2009 3:06:36 PM   
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I guess some of you more recent posters haven't paid attention to what I said. I already know this is a scam, and that's why I haven't sent any money. I started the thread to see if there was in fact a camp in Corona and if anyone knew anything about it.


If that's all you wanted to know, why include all the unnecessary details?  Were you trying to test us to see if we all knew it was a scam?  You've been here 2 months.  Many of us have been here for 5 years.  You are not the first person who has written about a school that must be paid before online lady can come to you. 

Why didn't you just ask if there was such a camp?  If there is such a camp it isn't involved with the person who tried to scam you or they'd be out of business quickly.  Being paid to transport ladies across state lines to have sex with guys is a federal offense. 

What is really great about this scam is that after you send your money and realize the lady is never showing up, you can't even go to to cops.  You'd be admitting to participating in slavery and paying to transport a lady across states lines to be in your bed. 

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RE: training camps - 5/26/2009 3:15:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

quote:

I guess some of you more recent posters haven't paid attention to what I said. I already know this is a scam, and that's why I haven't sent any money. I started the thread to see if there was in fact a camp in Corona and if anyone knew anything about it.


If that's all you wanted to know, why include all the unnecessary details?  Were you trying to test us to see if we all knew it was a scam? 


Sometimes it's judicious to perform several acts at once. For example, let's say our OP was 99.8% sure it was a scam, but a little part of his brain says "1 in 500 chance... MAYBE someone can tell me it's real!". On top of that, let's say our OP has reason to believe that a lot of people haven't heard of such a thing or had such a thing happen to him.

Coming on and shouting "SCAM!" can make you look like a fool if that 1 in 500 chance turns out right for once. Moreso, asking "is this a scam?" hopefully brings people out of the woodwork that have actual details on the operation, and encourages a discussion that draws more people to it - thereby making more people aware that things like this can happen. In my eye, there's multiple different reasons for him to open up the discussion in the way he did, all of them valid and most of them positive.

But then, a few people like to feel all superior, so they say "of course it's a scam, you'd have to be stupid to fall for it like you almost did!" - and then you have to respond with statements like "of course I knew it's a scam", which then gets you the "then why are you even bothering us?" treatment. The point being: no matter how smart, nice or good someone is, someone else can always make them look like an idiot, an asshole and a self-centered show-off.

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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 12:25:08 AM   
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bring back unicorns


I am a capricorn...does that count???


if a capricorn is *like* a unicorn, does that mean a virgo is *like* a virgin? Because, if so, i stopped being a virgo 11 years ago.

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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 8:15:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		So...when I want to know what the temperature is in South Dakota, I need to write a post about vacationing in the Bahamas?

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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 9:31:12 AM   
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ORIGINAL: peppermint

So...when I want to know what the temperature is in South Dakota, I need to write a post about vacationing in the Bahamas?



Nah, it's more like you're in South Dakota, it's raining, you're tired of getting rained on, so you post about this odd phenomenon of water falling from the sky:  Has anyone ever seen South Dakota rain, is it really rain, and does it ever stop?
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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 9:40:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		it's not rain..it just snow in tinier bits.... LOL
and North Dakota is simply a tax write-off to for SD

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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 7:06:35 PM   
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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 7:30:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

I just got an email from a "slave" in a BDSM camp seeking a master...Lucky me


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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 7:47:43 PM   
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RE: training camps - 5/27/2009 11:14:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: janiebelle

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ORIGINAL: peppermint

So...when I want to know what the temperature is in South Dakota, I need to write a post about vacationing in the Bahamas?



Nah, it's more like you're in South Dakota, it's raining, you're tired of getting rained on, so you post about this odd phenomenon of water falling from the sky:  Has anyone ever seen South Dakota rain, is it really rain, and does it ever stop?
j


I haven't done SD rain.  However, I spent years on Whidbey Island at the north end of the Puget Sound in WA.  You can be outside in the rain all day there and not get wet.  It's so fine it's more a mist than rain, but it starts the end of August and ends right after the 4th of July. 

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RE: training camps - 5/28/2009 12:54:02 AM   
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I have found that running a search on the IP address helps. You must get the person to send you an email. Expand the header to show the origin of the message. I use domain tools dot com. There are several free sites that you can use to run an IP address search. You can practice on an email that you are familiar with as it can be a little confusing to determine which set of numbers to use. I'm sure we have some computer savvy members that may be able to explain it better than I can.

Island

edited to correct spelling...i can spell but my nails are too long to type!

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RE: training camps - 5/28/2009 7:29:13 PM   
Huntertn


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Status: offline 		well in the Navy we'd say Your about to bend over and their not going to use Vaseline. Offer to come vist her so that at least you get a free vist...but yea, I'd say its a hell of a SCAM....

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RE: training camps - 7/2/2009 12:29:05 AM   
Papotik


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I read all the thread.

Like you i think is a scam but...
on http://www.bdsm-ou-abus.org/index.php, a french forum about bdsm and maltreatmen, i read the story of a woman was in a "bdsm training camp" in belgium.
She tell how she was destroy, degraded by "teacher", an association was create about it http://www.ong-gipf.com, it's against sexual exploitation.
She leave this camp against her flat...

i was in contact by YM ( it's original ) with a "slave" in a camp, when i traced her ip, i found she/he was in nigeria.
I think this kind of camp, exist but only on imagination...

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RE: training camps - 7/2/2009 6:17:32 AM   
vinylchick42


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Status: offline 		i live 45 minutes from Corona, never ever heard of such a place. i know Masters that live up in that area, it would be a hunting ground for those Masters, yet i have never heard of any mentioning the place before.

its a scam. sorry to crush your bubble.

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RE: training camps - 4/10/2010 9:03:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is once agaoin relavent on CM (probably never went away actually) and in the last few days it seems that i have stumbled across 6 or 7 of these "slaves in camps".

The one that seems to be coming up a lot is a camp based in Leeds in the UK they aren't selling slaves, they are free to good homes.. all you have to pay are the relocation costs.  Yeah... ok. lemme get my check book.

The usual applies.. the girls can't use IM or even make a salute (an image of themselves holding a piece of paper with your CM suername written on it).

I was sucked into one but didnt pass any money over.. the plan was I paid the relocation costs £450 but if i was unable to cover that they would release the girl for £300 with the rest to be paid at a later date.  Picking the girl up either from the camp ir from a nearby public place is also not doable. which would make sense to most people who only live 100 miles away and have a car.  Examination is not allowed before the payment is made either.. you are to transfer the money and the girl is put on a train the next day for you to meet at the station.  OK.. I got my change ready for the kiosk so I can get a coffee while i wait so all is good...

never knew that you could trace such things as Gmail and yahoo mail.. will have to find info on how to do that for future referance. but I DID come across a website  www.tineye.com which basiclky reverse image searches their profile pictures and brings up a list of every instance that the image shows up on line,  It is still lacks a complete search but usualy it will do the trick.  It means that you find out who the REAL person is in them (in the case of this particular one it turned out to be a non-nude model's website)  I have found the tineye tool very usefull . it comes as a plug in got Firefox (and i believe IE aswell) when in doubt, check her out!




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RE: training camps - 4/10/2010 9:23:01 PM   
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RE: training camps - 4/11/2010 5:25:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Some scammers are getting even moe clever in their initial presentation- i recently contacted supposedly young lady here who posted as living in a local town, and looking for a couple. The repky was along the lines of "Hi would love to meet byt I'm out of the country right down for work in Africa and am having trouble with customs........"

Block and Delete are best used before requests for $$ start.

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RE: training camps - 4/11/2010 8:01:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u

I am currently in communication with a lovely slave from California (Corona, specifically), and she has ostensibly been "trained" by some type of camp located in that city. 

We have conversed for a couple of months, and she has supposedly decided that I'm her "choice" of a Master to serve for life. 

The organization that she has been "trained" by apparently "owns" her, until a suitable Master is found.  They have sent me a "contract" which looks more like just a basic information form, and I'm to sign and return it, and then send them money for her training and for a medical test.  After that, she will be relocated to me at their expense.  The fee they are asking is $600 for the "training", and $200 for the test, for a total of $800. 

While I am totally comfortable with the slave herself, and feel that she is genuine, the form sent up some red flags because it was riddled with misspellings and poor grammar.  I also cross checked the address they gave me, and nothing came up.  I wrote them back about my concerns, and they wrote back with another address.  Obviously, they want the money sent through Moneygram. 

My question to you is.........how do I go about verifying the authenticity of the camp?  I asked them for references initially, but they claim that all previous clients request privacy, which may in fact, be true.  It's also rather convenient.  I have nothing to go on, in regards to their legitimacy and honesty. 

Once I send the money, the slave could disappear from my IM friends list and email contact list and I might never hear another thing about it.  The money will undoubtedly disappear.  My instincts tell me that this is a scam.  Then again, it might be totally legit, and the person who sent the form might just be a poor speller, and the bad address might have been a mistake. 

Any light you can shed on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.
Master J


As someone who had someone come across country to live with me let me point out a few realities.

You can not know someone until you are in their physical lives daily. Until then they can tell you anything they want. Even then you can be lied to.
How will this person support themselves?
Will you be providing support such as food, housing, medical care/insurance, clothes, money, car and other life necessities?
Can they be trusted in your home?
What about their family?
What about your family?
Did you do a criminal background check?
Are there provisions if things do not work out?

And my ponderings in regards to your case here....
Why did the slave not pay herself for this school?
What type of school takes on students with no guarantee it will be paid?

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RE: training camps - 4/11/2010 9:12:13 AM   
crazyml


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Would you mind posting the wording of any documents/contracts/forms you've been sent by this "oragnisation", I'm fascinated.

Oh, like the others - I really think this is a scam, and - with respect- How on earth can you be prepared to make a lifetime commitment to someone you've never met in person?

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RE: training camps - 4/11/2010 10:42:38 AM   
Phoenix73Sir


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Status: offline 		@crazyml.  I would think that with the idea of the girl being a fully trained slave with no limits most of the suckers arent all that bothered about lifetime commitments in the way you mention.. it's just a hot girl who will do as told.

And a general question.

Could someone please explain the process of checking IP addresses?  this isn't really something i have had to do before so a step by step would be helpfun to me and also to anyone else who contacts someone they aren't so sure about.

Thanks.


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