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ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u

You liberals need to stop being so damn pretentiously sanctimonious. Advanced interrogation techniques work and are necessary in a world where terrorists cut people's heads off and fly planes into buildings.

Well, I'm not in favor of torture as official policy. But I do think some "advanced techniques" might hold promise in this situation. We are extremely offended by beheadings and terrorist attacks on civilians. But the terrorists are not similarly offended by suffering torture in the cause of Allah. So personally, I think something more along the lines of offense-for-offense would do more good. Instead of torturing them, I think we should shave their legs, turn them out in pretty little pink dresses with high heels, blonde wigs, lipstick and makeup, and then distribute their photos generously, with bold captions identifying their names. I suspect recruitment would suffer a pause with that kind of potential consequence looming ahead of them. Any virgins in their future would be laughing too hard to fuck.

But hey, nevermind. I'm just having a strange day. Carry on.

K.

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

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ORIGINAL: Marc2b

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Libertarianism is definitely right wing as the term is traditionally defined...in fact it is far right wing, closer to facism than it is to even modern day "conservatism".

WHAT?

Facism is authortarian.  Libertarianism is an anti-authortarian.  The two could not possibly be farther apart.

Not in the classical sense of the words:

"On the right wing vs left wing diagrams above, socialism and libertarianism fall outside the realm of democracy. Whereas modern liberalism and American conservatism are best seen as heuristics (decision-making shortcuts), socialism and libertarianism are ideologies which invariably lead to tyranny."

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Waterboarding isn't torture. If you want to see a victim of real torture, go to "bloody intersection" and just wait. That is, if the Taliban ever regains control of it....

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

[Socialism is the govt. ownership of the means of production...nothing more. Socialism could be as democratic and in republican form as easily as capitalism and is the least likely to lead to tyranny.

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ORIGINAL: harddaddy4u

Marines are waterboarded as part of their training. Big deal.

If waterboarding some slimebag terrorist will prevent the loss of one American life, then of course we should do it.
It has already proven beneficial in getting information that prevented other terrorist acts - that's a matter of record, even if the naive, pro-appeasement Obama administration won't release the memos proving it.

You liberals need to stop being so damn pretentiously sanctimonious. Advanced interrogation techniques work and are necessary in a world where terrorists cut people's heads off and fly planes into buildings. And no amount of sitting around singing "Kumbaya" is going to change the fact that there are evil people who want to destroy us.

Liberals blamed Bush for not preventing 9-11, and then they spent the rest of his presidency trying to hamstring his efforts in trying to prevent another one.

Which he succeeded in doing, by the way - no thanks to the American left.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"But I do think some "advanced techniques" might hold promise in this situation."
 
They may also hold great peril.

That`s the biggest problem with the argument.

Torture ,whatever name you give it,doesn`t work.

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dick,the vice torturer, claimed that using "enhanced interrogation" showed that there was WMD in Iraq and an Iraqi link to a-queda,Neither of which were true.

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And or military are shown small doses of water-boarding to prepare them for what often happens to captured soldiers,torture to get false confessions.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

So you are basically saying that ALL enhanced interrogation techniques are torture? Are you sure that is your stance? Kirata specifically said he does not support torture, or did you miss that?

Hell, my post wasn't even about an "interrogation technique"! Good luck with getting him to read yours.

K.

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

and BHO has done nothing in his life that in any way deserves respect

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ORIGINAL: UncleNasty

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual

and BHO has done nothing in his life that in any way deserves respect

I'm no fan of Obama, but I know better than to believe the complete invalidation of anyone's life is legitimate.

It sounds like a comment of someone that considers Obama his/her enemy. OK. Any are entitled to view him as such. But it completely disregards the wisdom of Sun Su, in "The Art of War," where he in essence says it is a really bad idea to underestimate, or take for granted, your opponent.

Uncle Nasty

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual


There is always tyranny under socialism...the tyranny of equality and the accompanying loss of freedom.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual


There is always tyranny under socialism...the tyranny of equality and the accompanying loss of freedom.

So, then you would define inequality as freedom and the absence of tyranny?

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual


There is always tyranny under socialism...the tyranny of equality and the accompanying loss of freedom.

So, then you would define inequality as freedom and the absence of tyranny?

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ORIGINAL: philosophy

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: CruelNUnsual


There is always tyranny under socialism...the tyranny of equality and the accompanying loss of freedom.

So, then you would define inequality as freedom and the absence of tyranny?

...i've seen the existence of inequality argued as evidence of freedom and the absence of tyranny. Not saying i necessarily agree. Although there is a grain of truth in it. However degree is also important.  A bit of inequality may well be evidence of an absence of tyranny. A lot of inequality may well be proof of the existence of tyranny.

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...i've seen the existence of inequality argued as evidence of freedom and the absence of tyranny. Not saying i necessarily agree. Although there is a grain of truth in it. However degree is also important.  A bit of inequality may well be evidence of an absence of tyranny. A lot of inequality may well be proof of the existence of tyranny.