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Mezrem -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 7:21:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 You`ll notice though,that they are very aware of the order,but then their leader points out that you can give "gifts". They know how to bullshit and break rules and orders as well as any con-man. Many of these men serve us with honor offering thier blood and lives because we asked them too.... Yes some of them might not be the white hats we would hope for.. but to offer up such venom too them all is rather disheartening.

breatheasone -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 7:32:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL:Mezrem, Many of these men serve us with honor offering thier blood and lives because we asked them too.... Yes some of them might not be the white hats we would hope for.. but to offer up such venom too them all is rather disheartening. Thats what i was thinking.

Owner59 -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 8:21:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone quote: ORIGINAL:Mezrem, Many of these men serve us with honor offering thier blood and lives because we asked them too.... Yes some of them might not be the white hats we would hope for.. but to offer up such venom too them all is rather disheartening. Thats what i was thinking. If an occupying army was traipsing around America,say an army from a Muslim nation,and was proselytizing Islam,how would that make you feel? And just b/c these man are serving and taking the risks that they all soldiers are taking,doesn`t excuse them from disobeying orders. What these men are doing is not a "gift",but rather a purely selfish indulgence,religious conversion and "saving" people.

OrionTheWolf -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 9:39:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If an occupying army was traipsing around America,say an army from a Muslim nation,and was proselytizing Islam,how would that make you feel? Would make me feel like a conquered country. quote: And just b/c these man are serving and taking the risks that they all soldiers are taking,doesn`t excuse them from disobeying orders. Just like it does not keep you from restating a lie, even when it was refuted. quote: What these men are doing is not a "gift",but rather a purely selfish indulgence,religious conversion and "saving" people. Those soldiers haven't done anything except talk about doing it. They were punsihed, and it is over. So how many bibles was it again? Who did they give them to? You still have not answered those questions.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 10:00:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ...i've got an order of pitchforks and flaming torches here.......who's going to sign for them? I will. Put 'em over in the corner, please. We may not need them in this particular thread, but I'm sure they won't go to waste around here.

philosophy -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 11:05:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda quote: ORIGINAL: philosophy FR ...i've got an order of pitchforks and flaming torches here.......who's going to sign for them? I will. Put 'em over in the corner, please. We may not need them in this particular thread, but I'm sure they won't go to waste around here. ....too late. No-one signed for them so i took 'em back to the warehouse. However i did get a double order of the pitch Orion and MM asked for. It'll just have to do.

Vendaval -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 11:14:58 PM)
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GoddessofPain -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/24/2009 11:22:58 PM)
My brother is serving his 3rd tour of duty in Afganistan and I would hope that all people would not lump military personnel in category or another, he is an admirable person and what he goes through on a every day basis is anyone's guess but I do know he goes without food at times and he also needs something sent from home just to get by, and on this Memorial Day weekend I would hope that people would have other things to bicker out besides this.

breatheasone -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 12:12:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GoddessofPain My brother is serving his 3rd tour of duty in Afganistan and I would hope that all people would not lump military personnel in category or another, he is an admirable person and what he goes through on a every day basis is anyone's guess but I do know he goes without food at times and he also needs something sent from home just to get by, and on this Memorial Day weekend I would hope that people would have other things to bicker out besides this. I'd like to thank Your brother for his service! And i mean that from the bottom of my heart. [sm=applause.gif]

NihilusZero -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 12:37:25 AM)
Did the first half of the first page really revolve around supposed hypothetical interpretations of the would-be decisions of a comic book character?

NihilusZero -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 12:39:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyEllen to all doubters, take it from a confirmed Heathen, it does work and very well for many. Since what constitutes "working" is manufactured by each individual, no serious "doubter" would disagree with this.

NihilusZero -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 12:41:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Certainly no Muslim would kill anyone just for having a bible. Islam is the religion of peace. But if they were to kill, I can certainly understand how such a detestable act would be anyone's fault but their own. Yeah. Whether the genius is doing that or roaming the streets of Detroit at 3 in the morning screaming ethnic slurs is just a matter of method.

breatheasone -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 12:53:21 AM)
My youngest daughter tiffany(23) is married to a wonderful man, and he is muslim. Tiffany converted after she was married to abdullah for about a year. After getting to know abdullah, and knowing my daughter because i raised her, i can assure you they wouldn't kill anyone for having a Bible. Also after getting to know abdullah's parents and syblilings, i feel confident in saying none of them would kill over the pocession of a Bible either. [8\|]

NihilusZero -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 1:02:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: breatheasone My youngest daughter tiffany(23) is married to a wonderful man, and he is muslim. Tiffany converted after she was married to abdullah for about a year. After getting to know abdullah, and knowing my daughter because i raised her, i can assure you they wouldn't kill anyone for having a Bible. Also after getting to know abdullah's parents and syblilings, i feel confident in saying none of them would kill over the pocession of a Bible either. [8\|] Just taking a moment to check that you didn't mean this in response to any of my words, as I have no interest in painting people unilaterally in any specific way and didn't intend my words to come across as supporting such an idea. [:)]

breatheasone -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 1:09:42 AM)
[:)] It wasn't you.... On a personal note...if anyone ever paid attention to my different posts here and there. they would look at my fruit loop life and go "WTF"??? LOL... Someone cursed me LOL...They said, "May you live in interesting times."

Mezrem -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 6:19:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If an occupying army was traipsing around America,say an army from a Muslim nation,and was proselytizing Islam,how would that make you feel? And just b/c these man are serving and taking the risks that they all soldiers are taking,doesn`t excuse them from disobeying orders. What these men are doing is not a "gift",but rather a purely selfish indulgence,religious conversion and "saving" people. My friend.. I'm a pagan who lives in the South. I have people all the time proselytizing every thing from Christaniaty to Islam and a few others. In the end you are offering up a "what if". Well what if we stick to facts. The facts are there are some good people over there sheding blood because we asked them too. You may not like that we are over there.. and if you don't fine. The fact remains that they are still over there. As I said ealier in my post, I understand you don't like the war.. but what you are doing smacks of what happened to the young men returning to the States after fighting in Vietnam and being called "baby killers" or worse. Ok next lets take disobeying orders.. as I said IF one of these people did this then court martail him/her. They should be drummed out because they can not follow orders. In the end though you are using information from a highly unreputable source to condem ALL of them...

UncleNasty -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 7:18:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf The extreme emotions of Anti-Christianity, are just like any extreme emotion, irrationality. That is a true statement Wolf. But I believe the sentiment fits better in a more inclusive statement: Emotional and rational are two different words describing two different states of being. Emotion is specifically un-rational (or irrational if your prefer), and rational is specifically unemotional. Uncle Nasty

Owner59 -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 9:54:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mezrem quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 If an occupying army was traipsing around America,say an army from a Muslim nation,and was proselytizing Islam,how would that make you feel? And just b/c these man are serving and taking the risks that they all soldiers are taking,doesn`t excuse them from disobeying orders. What these men are doing is not a "gift",but rather a purely selfish indulgence,religious conversion and "saving" people. My friend.. I'm a pagan who lives in the South. I have people all the time proselytizing every thing from Christaniaty to Islam and a few others. In the end you are offering up a "what if". Well what if we stick to facts. The facts are there are some good people over there sheding blood because we asked them too. You may not like that we are over there.. and if you don't fine. The fact remains that they are still over there. As I said ealier in my post, I understand you don't like the war.. but what you are doing smacks of what happened to the young men returning to the States after fighting in Vietnam and being called "baby killers" or worse. Ok next lets take disobeying orders.. as I said IF one of these people did this then court martail him/her. They should be drummed out because they can not follow orders. In the end though you are using information from a highly unreputable source to condem ALL of them... "after fighting in Vietnam and being called "baby killers" or worse". First off,a google search will prove this a myth,and an ugly one to boot.There have been exhaustive searches for articals or reports,official or otherwise about GIs being called baby killers or spat upon during and after the Viet Nam war.No reports of anyone getting their asses kicked for spitting on a soldier,either.. http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=350 I am not in fact,against the Afghanistan mission.I`m as pissed as hell over eight years of planned failure and gross incompetence of our leadership, there. I`m referring to bush,not the officer corps or the enlisted men and women.I`m referring to bush`s "war done on the cheap" policy.The same policy, that got Iraq FUBAR. I`m pissed that Afghan mission has suffered b/c of the Iraq diversion. I`m pissed that Afghanistan has gone neglected to the point that it may not be salvageable. Please stop lumping me in with those who lump all soldiers into one group.I haven`t done that. My concern specifically,is with the soldiers and their welfare.Doing this is endangers them. We are guests there and should act like it.To let a few fundies indulge themselves this way isn`t worth even the slightest compromise in the safety of our men and woman there.I don`t care if they mean well. To Orion,I`ve been hearing reports like this from the start of the wars,for years.This is not a new story.I`m surprised and dismayed that you`d be so incurious,so quick to dismiss this and also imply that I was anti Christian. Do you really think this was/is not a big deal?Do you really think they "just talked" about it?C`mon.Do you really need an actual count of the Bibles written in both major Afghan languages?! lol Question? How many copies of the Bible written in Pashto does there have to be for our enemies to have a propaganda victory?Not very many. Are you more concerned about our GIs or are you more concerned with being politically correct?

OrionTheWolf -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 10:26:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I am not in fact,against the Afghanistan mission.I`m as pissed as hell over eight years of planned failure and gross incompetence of our leadership, there. You are not the only one upset, but you should not allow that hatred to spill into something, and lose your objectivity. quote: I`m pissed that Afghan mission has suffered b/c of the Iraq diversion. I am as well, and researching it, I stated as much on these forums many times before. quote: I`m pissed that Afghanistan has gone neglected to the point that it may not be salvageable. It is salvagable, but it will take a lot longer than before. quote: Please stop lumping me in with those who lump all soldiers into one group.I haven`t done that. I will state that it is only my perception, but you have had many negative posts that seem to lump all soldiers into one group. quote: My concern specifically,is with the soldiers and their welfare.Doing this is endangers them. Doing what? You are still assuming that it actually occured, rather than just being talked about. have you looked into how many bibles we are talking about yet? quote: We are guests there and should act like it.To let a few fundies indulge themselves this way isn`t worth even the slightest compromise in the safety of our men and woman there.I don`t care if they mean well. Actually we are not guests there, we are allies. But I get what you mean. Spreading this story as if it were truth, does endanger our military people there. This is why I posted the links I did, and keep mentioning that the military took the bibles before anything was done. quote: To Orion,I`ve been hearing reports like this from the start of the wars,for years.This is not a new story.I`m surprised and dismayed that you`d be so incurious,so quick to dismiss this and also imply that I was anti Christian. Bullshit, I was not quick to dismiss, I actually researched it before I posted. I then quoted those articles, and provided links. Incurious? quote: Do you really think this was/is not a big deal?Do you really think they "just talked" about it?C`mon.Do you really need an actual count of the Bibles written in both major Afghan languages?! lol Yeah an actual count may surprise you. Yeah I believe the statement released by the military, until some witnesses of giving bibles are provided. Laugh all you like, it really is not funny to make something to be truth, when there is a great possibility that it is not. quote: Question? How many copies of the Bible written in Pashto does there have to be for our enemies to have a propaganda victory?Not very many. Are you more concerned about our GIs or are you more concerned with being politically correct? How many copies? Zero. That is how many there has to be for this story to be spread as propaganda. How many were there actually? I am surprised you are incurious about that. Me being politically fucking correct? Have you lost your mind? There is not much about me that is the way it is because I am politically correct. YOU are spreading this story as if it was truth. YOU did not bother to research it. YOU are ignoring the many statements made by the Military that the bibles were confiscated. YOU are the one putting this out as truth, and spreading our enemies propaganda.

Owner59 -> RE: "Christian"Soldiers Handing Out Bibles in Afghanistan?! (5/25/2009 10:31:43 AM)
So it`s PC... got it. Spreading propaganda? That horse has bolted.

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