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can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 8:16:32 AM   
donneurdedouleur


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Status: offline 		I personally think too many caucasian females on this site take it that bdsm is a pick and leave situation, a kind of catalogue purchasing, where slaves get the thrills of being fucked and looked after without the disadvantages of submiting and putting their own priorities on a back burner; picking the cherries and leaving the sour grapes , does not, in my mind, go with obedience, submission, enslavement, , whatever you name it, call it subordination ; once a female admits she is a slave, she cannot pick this and leave that, 'I  want a big dick, I want a black skin, I want no blood, I want no marks, ...' once a slave, that slave's body is to be used by another human, that luckily  the slave will like,  so how do you justify such an attitude?... because you deserve it ?' let me laugh at those pretending slaves who cannot even accept to be called slaves,  just step into any non-industrialized countries and see how women are daily handled, imagine double dependence , and u will have a view of what slavery really is ; do not mix artificial  games of frustrated western females with real slavery, which has its roots in natural relations, women are there to obey males, whether they like it or not, this is the natural way, and if some males decide to be slaves themselves, fine, they too must comply with the natural law and forget their own choices ( as for dominating females, they find it necessary to strap on plastic cocks to prove they can dominate !) A SLAVE CANNOT CHOOSE , full stop, either you are a slave and obey and submit, or you are not , and find some knitting to do  while you wait for Mr Right.... old fashioned chauvinist pig,maybe I am, backward, yes I think the past has taught us lessons that we should remember, pagan probably, as I believe the best way to enjoy our natural bodies is to listen to nature's laws.. come on, all ye females on this site, now is the time to spill your aggressive uncertainty onto those lines...
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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 8:17:53 AM   
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Ummm...well....

sure

unless she's got no brains in her head at all and actually believes some of the BS that is sprouted here and there



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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 8:30:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Few BDSM slaves want to be in a relationship where they are treated as a non-consensual slave.  They also could not serve just anyone but need to find someone that they are compatible with.  They retain rights to hard limits.  There is nothing wrong with that.

Most Masters would be happier with a slave that truly enjoys them and longs to please out of respect and caring rather than someone who serves simply for the sake of serving.  If you are looking for someone only to serve you then there are other sources than CM that you can look to.   I know several countries which sell women for such things.  There are people here that lean more towards "real" slavery than BDSM slavery. 

Does a slave deserve to choose?  You bet.  Most slaves do their utmost when they know they are cared about and get fulfillment from the relationship.  It no longer becomes simply a craving to serve but to serve that particular partner.  If some Master was just to come along and swoop them up they could not do nearly as well.


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 8:35:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, unowned slaves have choice.  A slave can decide if she wishes to belong to a certain Master or not.  My proof is that you are still looking for a slave as none have chosen you.  Your profile spouts the same opinions you espouse in your post. 

Calling all slaves fakes because none have chosen you is a great example of those sour grapes you wrote about. 

By the way, 200 years ago in the US when slaves were really slaves and considered property, the slaves obeyed.  However, most Masters understood that keeping their slaves happy made the slaves more productive.  So slaves were given days off and holidays.  Masters who merely used their slaves and provided nothing other than basic food and a bit of shelter were considered bad Masters, even by other Masters. 



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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 8:51:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		the only slavery i will accept as moral and justifiable is consensual. forced captivity, either physical or spirtual is anathema to me. i seek sublime submission, not victimization. i seek control and a mental connection with peers not inferiors. i seek not an autocracy gained through aggression and conquering, but a benevolent and mutual contract between two willing participants.

yes, i do believe a slave chooses. she chooses to submit and grant control. she retains the ultimate choice, she can withdraw her control at any time. certainly, you may chase and seek a slave, but she submits only to your integrity and honor, not to your testosterone.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:00:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see this whole thing as something like marrying well in the 19th century - be true to the vows you give, choose wisely, and choose someone you share common life and mental space with.
I try and follow the model of a practical, hardworking but yet feminine 19th century woman - choose wisely, and for lack of a father to help me select, pick wisely yourself.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:05:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		LOL - I normally don't sidetrack things but the thought of having my father help me to pick a BDSM partner was just too funny.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:16:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: donneurdedouleur
she cannot pick this and leave that, 'I  want a big dick, I want a black skin, I want no blood, I want no marks, ...'

Are you, by any chance, a bloodsport sadist white guy who is not hung like a horse?


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:26:45 AM   
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Can a slave hand pick her owner?


Ofcourse she can....unowned, she is not really a slave - merely a submissive wishing to be "owned".  A woman should atleast pick her own jailer~


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:28:16 AM   
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I’m really glad that the OP laid out “twue” slavery for me.
(My first time using that word, I am so proud! )

I was wondering what I was doing actually searching for someone when all I have to do is stick a sign on my chest and wait for a true master to come along and scoop me up and then I wouldn’t have to think for the rest of my life.

(On second thought…. Maybe the sign idea isn‘t a bad one….?)

LOL

Yes people should be picky. Masters, slaves, submissives, Mistresses and anyone I have missed. What does my devotion mean if I give it freely to anyone that walks down the road? A whole lotta nada.

Yes people should have limits, and yes they should be respected or else you’re going to have a hell of a fight on your hands each time you want to get near them.

(Please note that slaves are people… )

Just my two cents.


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:28:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Red Magic: that's priceless!  Thank you for the giggle!  :> 

OP: I'm not a slave but you can absolutely positively bet that I will hand pick my partner!  :>
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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:34:04 AM   
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A SLAVE CANNOT CHOOSE , full stop, either you are a slave and obey and submit, or you are not , and find some knitting to do while you wait for Mr Right..


Ahhh...so as a slave i was to sit down and knit..waiting for the first Master to come along that would have me?

*blinkblink*

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


Oh sure, SugarShorts.....now lemme enlighten you.

FREE WILL...see it, spell it and repeat it to yourself until it sinks in.

I have free will and, until a Master and *I* (yep...me too) agree on ownership, i will practice that free will by telling Masters with an attitude such as yours to kiss my tush.


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:37:05 AM   
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old fashioned chauvinist pig,maybe I am, backward, yes I think the past has taught us lessons that we should remember, pagan probably, as I believe the best way to enjoy our natural bodies is to listen to nature's laws.. come on, all ye females on this site, now is the time to spill your aggressive uncertainty onto those lines...





Probably not. You just dishonered the Goddess by those words. But not here to get into religious debates. Your concept is nothing like paganism, wiccan , or any cultures before the time they destroyed the matriarch.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 9:54:53 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: donneurdedouleur
I personally think too many caucasian females on this site take it that bdsm is a pick and leave situation, a kind of catalogue purchasing, where slaves get the thrills of being fucked and looked after without the disadvantages of submiting and putting their own priorities on a back burner; picking the cherries and leaving the sour grapes , does not, in my mind, go with obedience, submission, enslavement, , whatever you name it, call it subordination ; once a female admits she is a slave, she cannot pick this and leave that, 'I  want a big dick, I want a black skin, I want no blood, I want no marks, ...' once a slave, that slave's body is to be used by another human, that luckily  the slave will like,  so how do you justify such an attitude?... because you deserve it ?' let me laugh at those pretending slaves who cannot even accept to be called slaves,  just step into any non-industrialized countries and see how women are daily handled, imagine double dependence , and u will have a view of what slavery really is ; do not mix artificial  games of frustrated western females with real slavery, which has its roots in natural relations, women are there to obey males, whether they like it or not, this is the natural way, and if some males decide to be slaves themselves, fine, they too must comply with the natural law and forget their own choices ( as for dominating females, they find it necessary to strap on plastic cocks to prove they can dominate !) A SLAVE CANNOT CHOOSE , full stop, either you are a slave and obey and submit, or you are not , and find some knitting to do  while you wait for Mr Right.... old fashioned chauvinist pig,maybe I am, backward, yes I think the past has taught us lessons that we should remember, pagan probably, as I believe the best way to enjoy our natural bodies is to listen to nature's laws.. come on, all ye females on this site, now is the time to spill your aggressive uncertainty onto those lines...


Goodness. Do you ever come up for air? All those wanker websites about male domination must have gone from your penis to your brain. Or was it some silly series of books that led you to believe that all women are just slaves without a master currently? Go out into the real world and stop living behind your computer screen. While you're at it? Learn how to spell, use grammar, punctuate, and use sentence/paragraph structure. That post hurt my damn eyes.

Dogma like this just boils my backside. While I understand and appreciate everyone is entitled to their own views, it makes me want to non-consensually beat the ever loving purple nut bunnies out of a fool. My outlook upon BDSM is "Live and let live.". We all have preferences, fetishes, morals, ethics, or what have you. It's when it's projected onto others that I get heated.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...





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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:00:41 AM   
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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:01:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are entitled to your opinion, but I must say that I find you quite humorous in how you single out Caucasian females to rant on. 
So you dont want a white woman who looks at a relationship with you in having any choice for herself.  kewl... but dont expect every white women from what you call an industrialized country that you take a fancy to to just fall at your feet either. 

From the tone of your Rant I would suggest you start shopping in a third world country where your mind set has a better fit. 




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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:02:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Wow... whatever it is that you're talking about donneurdedouleur, it isn't slavery as I recognize it and I'd want no part of it. And I sure am glad that whatever it is that you're talking about is not what my wife and I do. All that being said, hey... more power to you. May you find the that which you most desire and I sincerely hope it doesn't crush you or those around you.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:02:45 AM   
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women are there to obey males, whether they like it or not, this is the natural way,


That statement is incorrect, some women/men were meant to lead and some women/men were meant to follow. That is the natural way of things. To say that one gender are ALL submissive and meant to follow is illogical because each individual is uniquely different from the next. In nature not all females are followers, many are the alphas.

Yes I do believe a slave picks their Mistress/Master in free societies. Forced slavery to me is incredibly ugly and wrong. Frankly the world is changing, though slowly in some places. One day hopefully forced slavery will cease to exist and women will be treated as equal human beings with equal rights (Unless they choose not to).

And yes you wanted attention with your first post and you will get it. I hope you find it amusing, almost as amusing as I find you and your ignorance.

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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:03:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bella1965

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quote:

ORIGINAL: donneurdedouleur
I personally think too many caucasian females on this site take it that bdsm is a pick and leave situation, a kind of catalogue purchasing, where slaves get the thrills of being fucked and looked after without the disadvantages of submiting and putting their own priorities on a back burner; picking the cherries and leaving the sour grapes , does not, in my mind, go with obedience, submission, enslavement, , whatever you name it, call it subordination ; once a female admits she is a slave, she cannot pick this and leave that, 'I  want a big dick, I want a black skin, I want no blood, I want no marks, ...' once a slave, that slave's body is to be used by another human, that luckily  the slave will like,  so how do you justify such an attitude?... because you deserve it ?' let me laugh at those pretending slaves who cannot even accept to be called slaves,  just step into any non-industrialized countries and see how women are daily handled, imagine double dependence , and u will have a view of what slavery really is ; do not mix artificial  games of frustrated western females with real slavery, which has its roots in natural relations, women are there to obey males, whether they like it or not, this is the natural way, and if some males decide to be slaves themselves, fine, they too must comply with the natural law and forget their own choices ( as for dominating females, they find it necessary to strap on plastic cocks to prove they can dominate !) A SLAVE CANNOT CHOOSE , full stop, either you are a slave and obey and submit, or you are not , and find some knitting to do  while you wait for Mr Right.... old fashioned chauvinist pig,maybe I am, backward, yes I think the past has taught us lessons that we should remember, pagan probably, as I believe the best way to enjoy our natural bodies is to listen to nature's laws.. come on, all ye females on this site, now is the time to spill your aggressive uncertainty onto those lines...


Goodness. Do you ever come up for air? All those wanker websites about male domination must have gone from your penis to your brain. Or was it some silly series of books that led you to believe that all women are just slaves without a master currently?


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RE: can a slave hand-pick her master ? - 5/25/2009 10:07:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		OP, there have been a lot of discussions over how much choice a slave should have in his/her situation.  But even the most extreme views hold that he/she has the right both to choose/accept a position, and to get released from it.

OP, I suspect that you're having a hard time finding a slave.  Don't worry - anything of value typically is hard to get.  But railing against "the system" is not as productive as making yourself more Masterly to improve your chances.


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