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MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:06:06 AM

SubjectProperty

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I realise that Moderators are absolutely essential on a website of this nature. Most do a rarther excellent job also and are to be commended. The criteria for being a Moderator is placed online in this website periodically. One of the qualities required is "fair miinded".
Sadly a number of Moderators abuse their position just has members also abuse their membership. Do members agree that Moderator One should devise a system of legitiimate complaint concerning the behaviour of Moderators and also a disciplinary proceedure for their removal? Some moderators remove a persons profile or membership on the basis of false and malicious reports from individuals are groups.They do so without ascertaining all the relivant facts and hearing both sides before reaching a decision. Some even bully and threaten members without just cause. Others support their fellow disruptive member friends activities on the website.

I believe that a section should be set up for complaints against Moderators. There should be a system of protection from false and malicious alliegations being made against them also. But there should be a graduated leval of disciplinary admonishment ranging from a caution to removal from the office of Moderator. single complaints from individuals of a minor nature should be noted but not acted upon. Several complaints from different sources that alert Moderator One to a definate problem concerning the Moderators conduct should be investigated,has should all serious allegations. Remember any member can instigate litigation proceedings against the website if the website acts in anyway contrary to existing laws governing human rights,civil liberties,freedom of expression,blackmail,identity theft,threats of violence excetera.

What do members and even moderators think about my suggestion please?

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:11:29 AM

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I think this is a free site and if you don't trust the people who run it to maintain standards of behaviour with the Mods, then feel free go go elsewhere.

I have not seen any reason to question the way any of them have been doing their jobs and if I did then I'd simply take any complaint to another mod to be passed on to whatever internal process they have for dealing with such things.

I've moded other places at other times and frankly thats the best way to handle it, once you open debates like that to those outside of the mod team it all gets real messy real fast.

If you trust them then there isn't a problem, if you don't trust them... what the hell you still here for?

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:17:36 AM

SubjectProperty

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Trust must work both ways. I have already stated most Moderators here do a rarther excellent job. Sadly a number of them do not. I think the Moderators should be awere of members thoughts on this issue and that any sensible organisation will put into place a system of disciplinary proceedures to sensure the Moderators who although unpaid volunteers still represent the image of the website.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:24:58 AM

RavenMuse

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I've seen this sort of tripe cause havok in other places. If you trust the bulk of them then let them do their job. Most moded forums have a modkin only forum where they adress such issues amongst themselves.

People forget that places like this are NOT democracys, things are NOT up for vote. The people who set them up provide a service and unless they charge for that service then frankly its their way or the highway.

As far as moded forums go this is a very good example of one that is done right, I've seen nothing more than a light touch from the Mods here so far. As I say, if there is a problem with one then send the complaint to another and let them take it through channels. Mods have a thankless task and all this sort of thing serves is to make them feel even more "Why should we even bother", this site would be far worse without them I can assure you.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:26:31 AM

Quivver

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A pat on the back while asserting control?
Did you come to CM to change it?
In the time I've been here when the Mod's consider change they have asked for our imput, why push it. If you dont like it, there are other site...........

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:33:51 AM

SubjectProperty

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Sir,
You have some valid points but the fact remains it does not address the problem of the bad moderators or engender confidence. The website may not be a democracy but sadly it is subject to the law and some moderators could get the website into deep trouble with litigation just has some members can also.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:37:07 AM

RavenMuse

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You folks are like a broken record. Have we met somewhere before on another moded site pulling the same tired old rhetoric? Or are you all simply cloned?

Systems like this already have mechanisms in place. It isn't what you are happy with... then LEAVE!

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:38:30 AM

mistoferin

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quote:

I have not seen any reason to question the way any of them have been doing their jobs and if I did then I'd simply take any complaint to another mod to be passed on to whatever internal process they have for dealing with such things.

Excellent advice.

To the OP....it seems to me that, based upon your having been here only long enough to make 35 posts, that you may be making some premature assumptions. I can tell you that over the course of time I have seen the Moderators on this site doing a great job. I have not always agreed with every decision on their part...but I can also say that in those times they have given me every opportunity to personally express to them how I have felt and have been more than willing to at least contemplate "my side".

If in the event I came across a situation where I felt I was being unfairly singled out by one Mod(which I have not to date), I would do as RavenMuse suggested.

The Mods here are volunteers, people who also have busy lives aside from the CollarMe personals and message boards. If you take notice of the numbers of new members they are dealing with and the sheer volume of new messages each and every day that they have to sort through....I would have to say that in my opinion...they do a great job!

I am not sure what you are basing your post on today as I just returned from vacation and have been off the boards the last few weeks, but my advice to you would be to hold off on your final judgements....after time you will see that it all evens itself out for the most part here. You may even conclude in the end that while there may be a few instances that seem a bit more rigid, for the most part the mods generally give everyone here a pretty wide playing field.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:39:36 AM

MsSonnetMarwood

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Please to offer a list of all the names on CM that you use for full disclosure before I offer my thoughts.

:-)

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 4:54:32 AM

SubjectProperty

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Madam,
Excuse me but you are missing my point. I stated that the majority of moderators do a rarther excellent job but the reality is that a minority of moderators exercise prejudice and bigotted bias that their criteria for selection prohibits them from exercising. It is they that we members should monitor and complain about when legitimately necessary.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:10:39 AM

OwnedSubject

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Kindly explain your statement please because it does not make sense at this particular time. Being specific always saves time and aids comprehension.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:11:40 AM

mistoferin

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quote:

Madam,
Excuse me but you are missing my point.

No actually, I got it. MY point is that I don't believe you have enough time or experience here to fairly or justly come to YOUR point. I have now had an opportunity though, to read over some of your other posts...and I guess I can see why you may be having some difficulty. I don't feel that my job as a member is to monitor and complain. If an issue comes up I deal with on a case by case level. I need not come to the boards to start a smear campaign or drum up support. I'm an adult and am perfectly competent to fight my own battles....I suggest we all do the same.

It is my understanding that on this site Mod One is top dog(someone correct me if I am wrong). So therefore, if I have a difficulty with another Mod that I could find no resolution to by personal interaction with that particular Mod, I would then inform that Mod that I would be seeking to take the discussion a step higher and bring in Mod One to see if an agreeable resolution could be achieved. That seems to be an agreeable process to me....are you seeking something more elaborate?

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:17:44 AM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SubjectProperty

I realise that Moderators are absolutely essential on a website of this nature. Most do a rarther excellent job also and are to be commended. The criteria for being a Moderator is placed online in this website periodically. One of the qualities required is "fair miinded".
Sadly a number of Moderators abuse their position just has members also abuse their membership. Do members agree that Moderator One should devise a system of legitiimate complaint concerning the behaviour of Moderators and also a disciplinary proceedure for their removal? Some moderators remove a persons profile or membership on the basis of false and malicious reports from individuals are groups.They do so without ascertaining all the relivant facts and hearing both sides before reaching a decision. Some even bully and threaten members without just cause. Others support their fellow disruptive member friends activities on the website.

I believe that a section should be set up for complaints against Moderators. There should be a system of protection from false and malicious alliegations being made against them also. But there should be a graduated leval of disciplinary admonishment ranging from a caution to removal from the office of Moderator. single complaints from individuals of a minor nature should be noted but not acted upon. Several complaints from different sources that alert Moderator One to a definate problem concerning the Moderators conduct should be investigated,has should all serious allegations. Remember any member can instigate litigation proceedings against the website if the website acts in anyway contrary to existing laws governing human rights,civil liberties,freedom of expression,blackmail,identity theft,threats of violence excetera.

What do members and even moderators think about my suggestion please?

What I find disturbing is that the OP (SubjectProperty), who joined 12/7/2005 and who probably has been watching and reading silently on the sidelines and rarely participated in forum discussions and who also hasn’t bothered to have a viewable profile so at least some of who may be interested, may know something of this person (it gets embarrassing if you refer to a person as a male and find that they are female). Frankly I find it hard to treat or consider such people seriously, but that’s my personal view and others may have no problem with this.

Ok so lets look at the OP’s problem. I must ask the OP why he/she or it, has had a run in or two with the Moderators in the past? Have you had your profile pulled by the Moderators?

On the Negative: (In support of the OP), I know of only one person which I have made comment in the past in one forum where one specific Moderator appeared to be debating several subjects and even though the debates became fiery, they were argued well by all parties and yet this person, IMO went through a stage and put his Moderator hat on and either edited posts or locked a thread or two. As far as I can see this has not been repeated especially after it was made public by myself and others (I believe), who the Moderator was. I also understand that complaints were made to Moderator One about this.

On the Positive: (In opposition of the OP), There was one instance where I witnessed a thread and watched one person being flamed and because he defended himself without flaming, he was placed on moderation. I for one contacted most of the Moderators about this and after that, his case was reviewed with the result that the Moderation was lifted. When I have seen anomalies happening and have asked for information regarding them I have found the Moderators have been quick to reply with a suitable explanation.

In Conclusion: I believe that the OP has decided to try to change CM to suit his own purposes. I note that the OP has started several threads which I personally find somewhat contentious and grouped together has the odor of discontentment. I find it amusing that the OP states Human rights, and possible illegalities. ~ “Remember any member can instigate litigation proceedings against the website if the website acts in anyway contrary to existing laws governing human rights,civil liberties,freedom of expression,blackmail,identity theft,threats of violence excetera.” ~ Ermmmmm me thinks the OP has fallen into the trap of forgetting that CM has international membership so if such things as litigation are commenced, it favours US citizens and places people from other countries in a disadvantage…. For me, my comment to the Op if he/she/it doesn’t like what he/she/it finds here, is “Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out!” My vote of confidence is with the Mods and especially Mod 1.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:21:43 AM

OwnedSubject

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You harbor a false believe then. I have been a member for years but rarely ever posted though often read other peoples posts and seen the responses from the malevolent people. I date back to 2002.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:26:00 AM

OwnedSubject

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Then you harbor a false belief. I do not wish to change Collarme only to ensure that the bad moderators who are thankfully in the minority are kept in check. Many may agree with me and many may disagree. Will people kindly refrain from the pretention that they actualy know my personal thoughts or my motives for posting please. You are entitled to your opinion but you are most definately not entitled to pretend you know my thoughts and motives.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:27:01 AM

IrishMist

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quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

You folks are like a broken record. Have we met somewhere before on another moded site pulling the same tired old rhetoric? Or are you all simply cloned?

Systems like this already have mechanisms in place. It isn't what you are happy with... then LEAVE!

LOL Raven, I am duly impressed.

Personally, if you don't like the job the mods are doing here, then take your whiny little ass elsewhere.

quote:

but the reality is that a minority of moderators exercise prejudice and bigotted bias that their criteria for selection prohibits them from exercising. It is they that we members should monitor and complain about when legitimately necessary.

And how would you define this prejudice? Who would make such judgements? YOU?

Personally, I think you are full of shit and looking for a way to redeem yourself after two disastorous posts that showed you to be the crock of shit that you are

Seriously though, if you feel that you have been modded unjustly, take your complaints to ALL the moderators. I am sure they will be more than happy to deal with your suggestion in the approiate manner.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:28:48 AM

mistoferin

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quote:

I have been a member for years but rarely ever posted though often read other peoples posts and seen the responses from the malevolent people. I date back to 2002.

It would be much easier for people to respond if you stayed with just one profile on each thread. Just for clarification though, I was not aware that collarme was a site in 2002....can anyone tell me the date this started....Sub4hire maybe as I believe she is the longest standing member here today?

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:35:12 AM

IronBear

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quote:

ORIGINAL: OwnedSubject

Then you harbor a false belief. I do not wish to change Collarme only to ensure that the bad moderators who are thankfully in the minority are kept in check. Many may agree with me and many may disagree. Will people kindly refrain from the pretention that they actualy know my personal thoughts or my motives for posting please. You are entitled to your opinion but you are most definately not entitled to pretend you know my thoughts and motives.

You Sir, are judged on your posts and comments... In this case you have been tested and found wanting.... I can find little to justify your views and comments let alone presence here whilst you stink of malcontent. My views but then I'm a hard bastard with little patience for those malcontents such as you appear to be.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:37:09 AM

Sensualips

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quote:

Do members agree that Moderator One should devise a system of legitiimate complaint concerning the behaviour of Moderators and also a disciplinary proceedure for their removal?

No. You also assume such a system, formal or informal, is not in place. I am confident that behind the scenes there is more going on than you realize.

quote:

I believe that a section should be set up for complaints against Moderators. There should be a system of protection from false and malicious alliegations being made against them also. But there should be a graduated leval of disciplinary admonishment ranging from a caution to removal from the office of Moderator. single complaints from individuals of a minor nature should be noted but not acted upon. Several complaints from different sources that alert Moderator One to a definate problem concerning the Moderators conduct should be investigated,has should all serious allegations.

Yawn.

quote:

Remember any member can instigate litigation proceedings against the website if the website acts in anyway contrary to existing laws governing human rights,civil liberties,freedom of expression,blackmail,identity theft,threats of violence excetera.

This is a privately owned and operated site. You are a guest. You have not purchased anything.

quote:

What do members and even moderators think about my suggestion please?

I think you need to not take an online message board and personals site quite so seriously.

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RE: MONITORING THE MODERATORS - 2/8/2006 5:38:28 AM

FTopinMichigan

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I think most Moderators do a fair job here (and elsewhere), especially considering the many personalities they deal with on site.

I too question the editing sometimes though, as I recently posted about having a thread disappear without notice. Usually (at least when I notice them), a thread is 'moved,' or an explanation is given to them no longer showing. When I posed a question about disappearing threads, and posted that I'd enjoy knowing when a thread disappears, why it was removed...or would at least appreciate a simple of note of "this thread has been removed"....guess what...MY thread disappeared. Doesn't make sense to me, and I took it as someone just thinking it was either funny, or power move. The censorship of that post didn't make sense to me, but then I don't run the site.

As I see it, there was no reason to remove the comment, and it didn't violate the site rules, nor did it flame, or show anger in anyway. It was a comment and question if others felt the same when posts disappeared.

I found this type of editing unjustified, and petty....although it also made me laugh a little. The irony of a post, about posts disappearing...disappears!

I've come to realize you enjoy what's left, or move on. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the free service provided, but have to question ever contributing to the site, and if it went to a paysite, the type of moderation that currently exists may not be palatable to many of us. It's free now...it's fine for what it does.

K

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