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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 6:40:54 PM   
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When I see this frame of thought I wonder where these bad reflection submissives were raised.  My manners were determined by my parents and my peers.  I learned not to burp, fart, make rude noises. cuss or sneer at people I meet because inwardly I might think poorly of them for what ever reason.  The men who have been in my life didn't always hold to those standards.  In fact most people I know cuss, burp, ect.  I was basically taught to be a freak.  So.. is this because some dominant "raised" me?  Taught me?  Or is it my freakish anal nature and upbringing that caused me to turn out this way.  What is the dominant teaching these "good" reflection submissives?  What are the criteria for showing your dominant in a good light?
Curious minds want to know,
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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds

Entering into BDSM at a later age, many things confused me but one did not, perhaps because i lived that way anyways. As a submissive, i am like a representative to my Dom. My way of expressing myself reflects on him. Maybe a lot of people dont see it this way, but i do and works for me. Sir mentioned early to me in our relationship that a s-type reflect how well the Dom taught them.

Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not?

oceanwynds



I am going to try to answer from my own personal experience, and hope i understood your question. I already lived as a reflection of the person i was with, prior to meeting Sir. That was why this part was not difficult for me to adjust too, and about the only part:)

As I have mentioned in other posts i was married for a long time in a vanilla setting with swirls of sparkles. Sorry vanilla is not my favorite flavoring:). When i met my late hubby, i could out cuss any trucker. One day i using the F word in front of him, he sat me down with a dictionary and said start to learn words, cause you going to need them if you are going to be with me. I cleaned up my mouth big time and a lot of other things. I learned he wasnt the norm that i use to be living with or married too, and i needed to refine myself.

Was it real difficult, i don't believe so since i raised in a strict Jewish conservative home, where my father ruled!!!! i never cursed when i was home because i didnt know who i feared most Dad or God. When i left home and joined the hippie world , i lost a lot of my core values or so i thought, but looking back they were just shuffled under fake papers that was not me.

Sir has not had to do a lot of 'training' on me, except a couple times when i got snippy in a chatroom. He spoke to me about being humble and to try to not judge a person but to offer kinder words. I do have a fiery temper, and i use to just spew nasty put downs when people irritated me. i had and still am learning to humble myself. Does not mean i have to like or agree with a person, but i do not need to lose my footing and balance.

Did this help?

oceanwinds

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 6:48:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds
Sir mentioned early to me in our relationship that a s-type reflect how well the Dom taught them.


There are so many different types of D/s relationships out there that trying to apply some 'how well the dom taught them' standard to them is almost pointless. That comment is indicative of a mindset that there is one right way to do things for everyone and that's only a little bit on the pompous side.



Thank you for offering your point of view.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 7:08:24 PM   
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It partially depends on how long they have been together. I don't expect someone to change much in their general manner after only a couple of months, but it still reflects a bit upon that person's taste in partners!

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 7:10:34 PM   
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Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not?

Yes, I do.
The reasons though, are quite involved and hard to explain.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 7:16:01 PM   
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I want everyone in my house to be a credit to its shared goals. Dominant or submissive, we each have a calling that we chose, and we are all called to honor.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 7:34:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andalusite

It partially depends on how long they have been together. I don't expect someone to change much in their general manner after only a couple of months, but it still reflects a bit upon that person's taste in partners!


Ahh a caveat!
I agree, it shows a reflection in that person's taste in partners.


My taste is a reflection of ME.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 7:44:53 PM   
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In any walk of life, the people we choose to associate with reflect on us, especially those we choose for the closest relationships in our lives.

As a slave, i am a reflection on my Master, not only because of the training that He has given me, but in the fact that He chose me in the first place.

When one sees a Dominant with a submissive who is rude, obnoxious and smells, people are not only going to wonder about the D's training but His judgment in general to have chosen someone like that to start with.

So i see it not so much as a D/s thing, that i don't t behave well to show what a wonderful Master i have training me (and i do!) but so that people won't see Him with me and wonder what the Hell He was thinking to pick me up off the street. ;)



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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 8:40:32 PM   
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Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not?


"Dom"? Not particularly, but it can be said that we are sometimes judged by the company we keep in the very least. If we were to refashion that question by replacing "Dom" with Master or Mistress, however, I would reply with an emphatic yes. Much like a dog, a slave is a reflection of its Master or Mistress. In this there is a considerable degree of responsibility on the part of the Master or Mistress; it's not just about kicking back while the laundry gets done.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/26/2009 9:55:10 PM   
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 Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not? 


The question implies that the dominant is concerned about what other people think of his/her personal dynamic.  It also suggests that the opinions of outsiders impact that relationship in some way.  If, as the submissive partner, my conduct and words are acceptable and pleasing to my dominant then that reflects my willingness as well as my ability to submit to him.   

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 6:16:51 AM   
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In the course of my life.. lol and yep I am old it has been a long road, I have met and hung out with many different people.  I have dated military men, bikers, cops, lawyers, one actor, some firemen, a plumber and a techician.  I can't say that I chose them for status and I sure don't know why they chose me.  I do know we all shared the same sense of humor and enjoyed similar pasttimes. 
The idea that we are somehow raised to be "a good reflection of our dominant partner" because it is they that made us who we are is very odd to me.  Why would someone chose a person if they thought that person was beneath them?
The only thing I can think of is that it is some sort of vanity on the part of the dominant to be viewed as someone who made a silk purse from a sows ear.  
I also do not see it as ds as I have run across this in nilla as well.  Whomever we hang with for long periods does give the world around us a general picture of who we may be.  But I hope in my life I never let my choices be determined by what other people may think of me.  The bottom line for me is what I think of me, my friends or lovers, what they think of me, how much joy we can bring to each other and whether they are there to weather the storm.  To be seen as a reflection is devaluing them as people in their own right.
At least in my view.. I wouldn't want to hang out with someone who needed validation from the world as being the one who took me from the streets and made me acceptable.
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ORIGINAL: MRandme

In any walk of life, the people we choose to associate with reflect on us, especially those we choose for the closest relationships in our lives.

So i see it not so much as a D/s thing, that i don't t behave well to show what a wonderful Master i have training me (and i do!) but so that people won't see Him with me and wonder what the Hell He was thinking to pick me up off the street. ;)



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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 6:45:52 AM   
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Thank you Missokyst
You presented much food for thought for me, and i thrive on that.

Blessings
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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 10:32:06 AM   
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Been thinking and pondering about being a reflection on Sir, and came up with some thoughts. First of all i dont think it is totally for Sir, but it just who i am and how i reflect life. As stated in other posts here and there, I am not owned nor do i believe in it, for me personally. Even married, i could not be completely owned. I reflect who i am to them, and there is no reason to not trust me. Just not the type that needs marriage or being owned. Even my postings here are not to impress or attract anyone, but to share. Not looking for any one or looking for someone, i still will express myself in the best reflection possible.  That is because it's more my nature and way i live my life.

I am not in agreement with many things, but it is not for me to tell another they are wrong. I feel i am a representive of the human race, and someone needs to reflect a different path.

just some thoughts that i was pondering.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 1:28:37 PM   
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After spending a good part of the day, i can now answer my own question. Yay me! I see a s-type only a reflection on choices a Dom/Master has made to serve them. I will also carry it further to cover all close relationships. We can only reflect a choice that someone might be interested in or not.

I love processings ideas.. Thanks everyone

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 7:17:09 PM   
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zaphira is most definitly a reflection of Master's wishes and training

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 8:25:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: oceanwinds


Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not?

oceanwynds


Yes; The company we keep is a reflection of ourselves~


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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/27/2009 9:59:31 PM   
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Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom, and why or why not?


i do.  The s-type reflects what and how well the Dom/me taught them, as well as the kind of person He or She chooses to associate with.  However, any P/person also reflects their parents, childhood & adult experiences, and a host of things.  i do my best to reflect well on Sir, to not embarrass Him in any way & to be the kind of submissive and person He desires me to be in private and in public.  Whatever S/someone is like reflects on those H/he or S/she associates with.

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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/28/2009 2:05:27 AM   
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I would certainly hope so.

I mean, different relationships will work differently. Strict play-relationships or sadism/masochism based relationships may exists just within the kink-related parameters, but for most 24/7 D/s and M/s relationships, there would normally be a heavy aspect of mentoring and caretaking and, in that respect, I would view the reflection of the sub as a crucial element in her/his honoring of the D-type.


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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/28/2009 4:26:46 AM   
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crucial element in her/his honoring of the D-type.


NihilusZero what a great way to express this as honoring. I feel how we are shows honor or lack of who we are with, as well as our self. If i cannot honor myself first, how can i honor another.

Thanks you for your reply and everyone elses.
oceanwinds



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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/28/2009 6:59:54 AM   
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Yes; The company we keep is a reflection of ourselves~



One would hope that this refers to the company we keep when we are able to choose that company and it is the preferred company we keep or for some of us we would show up in a rather shoddy light when circumstances of our employment forces us to keep assuredly poor company. In an earlier period it was stated that: "The company we choose to keep reflects the type of person we are."


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RE: Do you see an s-type as a reflection of their Dom? - 5/28/2009 9:14:23 AM   
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I see myself as a compliment to/extension of Sir. Saying I am a reflection of him, implies to me, I am no longer responsible for my actions. I can’t buy that.

However, I believe, if I am obeying his authority in terms of our D/s relationship, then my actions should reflect his desires.

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