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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 1:08:06 PM   
agirl


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Status: offline 		Bdsm has nothing to do with it.........bad writing makes people cringe , good writing doesn't. How can I tell good from bad....... no idea........I just *know it* when I read it. And then it's all down to taste... If you appreciate Bill Bryson or Stephen Fry, then it's likely we share a similar taste.

Bad writing is like * nails scratching down a blackboard*......Nothing to DO with grammar, or spelling .....it just makes you switch off, shut the book,  screw the paper up,  switch the screen ... you just don't want to read any more of it.

My cringe isn't your cringe...(but let's discuss cringe)

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 3:07:29 PM   
littlesarbonn


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Status: offline 		Here's some of the great poetry from realtuffdom's profile:

7/16/2007 9:11:51 PM: My latest poetry:Up in the sky there's a bird that flies/ And it goes up real high/ Until it crashes into a cloud/ Down it falls/ Dying in horror like a house that has no mortgage/ And French clowns that cry in the rain.


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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 5:07:57 PM   
Fitznicely


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I'm sure someone loves it.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 5:09:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FriskyBiscuit

Here is a good topic for heated arguement i'm sure. What does BDSM have to do with bad poetry. Over the years i've read some whoppers of bad poetry and imagery on profiles. I'm sure there is a good book idea there. The Bad poetry of BDSMers..lol


The Vogons would have something to say about this.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 5:15:05 PM   
Fitznicely


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Status: offline 		Nookie, thank you. I've been wanting to mention Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings since the thread began

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 9:33:40 PM   
ZenDragoness


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Status: offline 		Frisky Biscuit,

thank you for opening the thread.

Round 10 years ago as i started roaming the internet, i was first confronted with the bdsm/bad poetry phenomen. And there is a second one: bdsm and CAT photos.

I love language and i love poetry and i really like cats, but like bad photography is bad poetry and sweeeeeeet cat shots are making me sick.

Michael and me even had some time a file on our computer containing the most horrible examples. One was 5 pages long about a master and his hands. Needless to say M. and me made another 7000 rhymes with this unknown master and his hands:

It is your hands, thrown against wands, that lands me where i am
your mercy hands, bind me with bands.......

Not the original but one of ours.

< Message edited by ZenDragoness -- 5/30/2009 9:34:10 PM >

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 9:57:56 PM   
Missokyst


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Status: offline 		Bad poetry is more far reaching than these profiles.  It is all around.  We live in a the time of hall-mark inspirations.  I love poetry.  Robert Frost, ee cummings; every time I read them I find more to love.  And I like to write poetry.  lol but it is bad.  I keep it in a safe place, deep in a personal website no one views.  I love poetry but to be successful there must be talent and knowlege.  I just have feeling.
Bad poetry is sometimes good for the soul
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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 10:15:08 PM   
AlexandraLynch


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There is nothing wrong with bad poetry until I have to read it.

In forums, I assume you have the leisure of composing your mind enough to write properly.
In IMs, while I'll ignore certain typos, I much prefer someone who is clearly attempting real sentences, with the text markers of real sentences. (You know, capitalization at the beginning, appropriate punctuation at the end.) It makes it easier to talk to them.

The only thing, besides automatic incivility, that absolutely annoys the crap out of me on here is the way some posters will say, "I was wondering what A/all of Y/you think about this." and the "slavegirl thinks this is an interesting topic. slavegirl has always felt that...." stuff. But that's my own personal thing, I know enough to know it's someone else's kink playing out, and it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket, to quote a far better writer than myself.

In other words, don't jump my ass, that's just my opinion, and I'm well aware that opinions are like assholes. Everyone's got one, most of them stink, and everyone is convinced that theirs is the one that doesn't. (smile)

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 10:15:44 PM   
MstrPBK


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Status: offline 		I may not be a poet but some years ago I woke up knowing i had to write this. Being that we re talking poetry this may be appropriate. The original work is as follows and is so old I can not find the original author:

"I see the moon
the moon sees me.
God bless the moon
and God bless me."


My contemporary rewrite came out like this:

I See The Moon
2006 - 2009 © Peter Kelley

"I see the Moon
the Moon sees me.
The Moon glows bright
to let us see.

I have a friend
in Timbuktu;
we both see the Moon
at half past two.

When I’m asleep
the moon walks the sky;
When the sun rises
it must say goodbye.

I see the Moon
the Moon sees me.
It’s now time for bed
don’t you agree?"

Share this with your kids (if you have any)

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA


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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/30/2009 11:55:54 PM   
EmelineRose


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Status: offline 		Written language skills in general seem to be of a much lower standard these days, not just in BDSM but society at large.  On the other hand I don't really believe in trying to censor or deride anyone who tries to express themselves sincerely, even if their technique or expression is somewhat lacking.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 5/31/2009 9:32:55 AM   
Apocalypso


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Status: offline 		Somebody on another site once sent me a link to their Harry Potter slash as an opening gambit.  Hagrid ploughing Snape.  With abysmal spelling and grammar.    Funnily enough, we did not ride off into the sunset.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 8:07:17 AM   
FriskyBiscuit


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Status: offline 		Lets just hope the cats don't learn to write bad poetry; then we shall all be in trouble.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 8:09:35 AM   
FriskyBiscuit


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Status: offline 		I think it bothers me so much because I like to write in my spare time but I have the decency to know it is terrible and keep it safely away from society locked on my hard drive where it can do no harm.

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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 8:35:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BeIgnited

Trust me, as someone who runs an undergraduate writing workshop, bad poetry is just as prevalent elsewhere.  


I can only imagine.

from what I've seen on this website and in life, people who fancy themselves outside of the status quo (and in their minds, more intelligent, liberated, etc.) also fancy themselves as artistes...as one could not be the beautiful and unique non-conforming spiderweb they are without a sense of their own 'enlightenment' and a belief that they understand the comedie humaine so fully that they can capture it in all it's banality or glory in some artform.

unfortunately, most of these people are far from intelligent or liberated or enlightened or talented and all you are left with is a lot of bad poems or photography or sculptures or whatever else they think captures their essence.

and I would think the people who frequent a site like collarme (being 'on the fringe') are more prone to that type of behavior than someone who would visit a forum about, let's say, cars.


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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 8:38:11 AM   
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What you consider bad, someone may consider brilliant.  I see it this way...They atleast have the guts to put a talent out there for the world to see.  What about you?


I have the guts to admit my shortcomings.


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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 10:00:55 AM   
DavanKael


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Status: offline 		I've written poetry as long as I can remember and I knew I was good when, in elementary school, my father accused me of copying someone else's work. 
I'm a definite poetry snob and an opinionated creature in general.  I read some of 'the greats' and have a gagging fit on occasion (Emily Dickinson comes to mind). 
A well-crafted piece of poetry is a pleasure.  Something else is, well...not. 
'Course, it it's written for me, it gets bonus points whether it's good or bad (Though as a creative person who is also drawn to other creative people, the good stuff gets more weight). 
  Davan

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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 12:55:01 PM   
Apocalypso


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ORIGINAL: variation30
Iunfortunately, most of these people are far from intelligent or liberated or enlightened or talented and all you are left with is a lot of bad poems or photography or sculptures or whatever else they think captures their essence.
On the other hand, art is subjective, surely?  I'll admit freely that I find almost all of the 'erotica' that pops up regularly in "Recent Journals" to be painfully bad.  But I assume it does the job for those writing it.  And they're probably looking for someone who feels the same way.

In which case, all power to their elbow, even if I might mock it privately. (I sometimes suspect that I may not be a very nice person).

For me, it's better  that people have the guts to try and fail then never take risks at all.


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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 1:03:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

For me, it's better that people have the guts to try and fail then never take risks at all.





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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 4:27:39 PM   
DemonKia


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(The following contains a buttload of gross oversimplifications & generalizations meant to illustrate big ideas; yes, individual data points vary widely . . . . . . lol)

Basic principle that's served me well: creation is difficult, destruction is easy.

To my mind, art is the conveyance of emotion, with poetry a rather pure form of this . . . . Poems convey mood, feeling, sensation, narrative subjugated to the conveyance of emotion . . . . . . Most other forms of creative writing use the conveyance of feeling to fuel narrative & character & such like . . . . . . .

Art-as-process is, to me, more important than art-as-end-product, & more necessary in the expression than in the reception . . . . . . What alternative is proposed? To not express? To express to no one? Umm, in my opinion the shut-down is the censor's best friend . . . .

& one of the most important societal functions filled by the pursuit of art is as a space for the many 1%-ers to give voice, in my not-so-humble . . . . .

How about audience discernment? Don't read it . . . . I manage to not read all kinds of things I can spot as being annoying or whatever within a sentence or two; a phrase or two of a poem will usually tell me a lot . .. .

& really, complaining about poetry seems kinda petty -- poems are mostly so small that it's but a moment's time taken . . . . . If most of it seems awful, then one may just not be a 'poetry type' & might be better served either sticking to poets one knows one likes, or finding other genres that provide more satisfaction . . . . I've hung around a lot of poets, & while there's snark there's also a lot of love & support for poetry & poems of all kinds of qualities . . . . . .

This discussion also reeks of the poisons of perfectionism & excessive goal-oriented-ness: only those who can consistently churn out quality (as judged by a wide audience) product are worthy, & anything less than that should stay hidden away. & I'm not surprised that that mind-set keeps text hidden away that might indeed find a loving audience, or even just some kind & thoughtful critique that could assist its crafter into bettering their effort & in the end producing quality product . . . . . . . &, some in this audience may hate me pointing this out, this kinda mass-appeal mentality is why Hollywood is such a consistent crafter of its product. Goal-oriented creative process dedicated to widespread appeal . . . . .

Also, while I'm airing my opinion: I tend to see those who snobbily snark at the artistic efforts of others as acting out of jealousy, envy, insecurity, & related issues. The repressed artist-self that thrashes out in reaction to the deep suppression of an important aspect of self . . . . . . But purely my opinion . . . . . .

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RE: Bad Poetry - 6/1/2009 4:37:00 PM   
Apocalypso


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ORIGINAL: DemonKia
creation is difficult, destruction is easy.


The urge to destroy is a creative urge too!  As old Bakunin had it. 

quote:

I've hung around a lot of poets, & while there's snark there's also a lot of love & support for poetry & poems of all kinds of qualities . . . . . .

That's not always true, to be fair.  I've met Ted Hughes.  The guy was an absolute cock.

On the other hand, John Cooper Clarke is a top bloke who always stands his round. 




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